http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=114&sid=1368472

Where the hell do they get off saying---

"Behind every prostitute is a story of sex abuse, drug dependency or mental illness," Sloan said. "No one chooses this."

What a steaming pile of crap!!! While I'm sure there are many who this applies to and I'm sure to implicate otherwise would be seen as endorsing such activities, have a little journalistic integrity, no? Surely there are many ladies out there doing what they do cuz they wanna do it. You dont have to be a provider or hobbyist to find them.

Penn and Teller did...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oBmbZmrsz6U

Ladies and gentlemen...your thoughts?



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To quote that great American philosopher, George Carlin:

"It's bullshit and it's bad for ya."

he also said..."Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?"

Well done, Jay; I forgot that one.  George has a great understanding of humanity, doesn't he?

Well I feel as long as there are opinions and they are free to be given then you will always have some who give the wrong opinions and not solely rely on the permanant facts. i disagree with that statement for every woman who has chose to do this has not had those negative incidents in there lives.

Way to support your view. I, personally, always go with Penn & Teller over Diane sawyer, too.  There is no comparison of journalistic credentials.

Anyway, as for

"Behind every prostitute is a story of sex abuse, drug dependency or mental illness," Sloan said. "No one chooses this."

Are you really going to argue against that conclusion?  Whether we like it or not, its a true enough statement.  Providing is not an "of one's right mind" job to choose.  Doesn't make a provider a bad person, it just explains how they end up doing what they do.

What a way to insult providers...  your lucky you get any appointments from now on  !!!
Are you out of your freakin mind????

good luck !!!

Its not an insult.  Its a fact, survey after survey. Its the same dynamic at play with promiscuous girls who are not providers.  Personal experiences of a traumatic nature drive the behavior.  It is not a moral judgment or anything like that.

As for

"your lucky you get any appointments from now on  !!!"

Apparently you are under the illusion that providing is a "gift" that I should be thankful for and can be taken away.  The truth is, have cash will hobby.  The provider doesn't care what I think of or about her.  They want the cash and, 99% don't want to be hurt physically (believe it or not there is an underworld where some like pain).  And the more cash they need drives the behavior, not my view.  Wake up, you're being hustled if you think that being nice or respectful is a criteria.  

For example, show up with a great attitude and no cash.  Then show up with cash and a bad attitude.  Which of these two instances do you think will lead to you getting laid?

Just your opinion mr D. and no.. I'm not a simple minded fool who doesn't understand the $$$  aspect of the biz..  Its just they are people that I treat repsectfully which you apparantly don't think is the least bit important..
again, good luck !!!

Okay you say that the above statement is true?!?!? Well, let me introduce you to myself who is of sound mind and body!!! No diseases no drugs no abuse what so ever. What the f**** does it give you a right to judge all of us based on the SW point of view? Who the heck are you to be the one to sit here and say I am not of the right mind?

Okay if i am not of the mind for choosing the career I have chosen you are not of the right mind to be reaping in the happiness of the rewards that these ladies do provide the time with you!!! Who died and made you God to ridicule all of us!!!!!! Not everyone does this for all of the wrong reasons!!!


Media has once again planted a fucking seed into someone's little head and now he thinks he knows everything!!!! Time to sit down and shut up unless you know every single lady and every single thing about them!!

Thanx QT. I was hoping one of our "non-tripod" forum members would weigh in here. All I was getting at and I think also what you were getting at is that every providers story is different and it is unfair to generalize about all of you ladies based on a fairly small sampling and of a group not really representative of what you do (i.e. the fact that what streetwalkers go through is probably much different and much worse than internet based providers) So naturally stats and stories will skew toward the bleak side of the picture.

Jay, do you really believe that internet-based providers are somehow paragons on mental health?  Really?   Reflect, for a moment, on their chosen occupation.  Its the street walker that has had the bad experience that led to this, huh.  The internet babes, oh no, just woke up and said one day, let me do this for a living.  Puuuhhlllease!

The whole "every provider story is different" defense or that "until you meet each and every provider" is a weak defense of a view.  If I tell you that if you jump off this thousand foot cliff you will die, and a 1,000,000 people jump and 999,000 people die while one survives, your suggesting somehow that the fact that the one didn't die is somehow proof that all people who jump off that cliff won't die. Preposterous and infantile logic is that approach to an argument.  You are right about one thing, "every provider story is different", but the COMMON theme is trauma that has driven the behavior.

And finally, why do internet providers think they are better than street walkers and can look down on them?  You think there are no street walkers that don't do drugs, have not been sexually abused, and aren't mentally ill?  Sounds like you're picking on street walkers to me.

QT dear,

Did I somehow suggests that hobbyists are of right mind?  Of course they are not.  Not quite as far gone as the ladies, but gone nonetheless.

Romeo,

you said "I'm not a simple minded fool".  I apologize if you took that from my message.  I intended no way to suggest or hint that you are a fool.  My apologies.

It is also a proven fact that the only monogamous creature in the world is a type of flatworm that attaches itself to its mate for life. Enjoying variety is hardwired into our systems for survival, even though we no longer need to worry about the human race surviving, it is still part of are mentality to want more then one person. It is only upbringings and traditions from religion that insist that we don't and even the church can't stay away from their own scandals but that is a completely different discussion.

So to all you guys that enjoy sampling the offerings out there, you are normal!!!

A biological instinct, if you wish to argue, to survive is not static in the case of man.  Humans evolve.  With evolution, at this time in US, comes the presumption of monogamy, presumably from re-wiring.  A lack of monogamy by a mature adult is more reflective of intimacy or trauma problems.  Nice try blaming providing on biology.

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You shouldn't let any of your girls ever go to this guy for any amount of money! He must think he is a King? He should live in a real conservative place like Cuba wear he would eat his own words and not have a computer or escorts to play with...ban him!

is saying into English?  Not to be mean, but what the hell is she trying to say?

Nomas,

See my above reply to Romeo, paragraph starting at line 5.

c'mon, it's pretty easy.  here is your translation:
(1) free speech means the idiots get to speak freely, too.  
(2) it's a shame that the women in the business who don't come from abusive backgrounds are stigmatized by the stereotype that all women in business have been abused.  

I love this job, and I got into it for the $$, and addicited to both the $ and the guys I meet.
I have tried to take time off, but I miss you guys, the boards, the community, and the fun!  Hell I get paid to have O's all day and seduce hottie's like Tiff....I prefer this over a 9-5 anyday!  They makle me sick with all that sh*t.

If I was a NON-ESCORT, amd went to the bar, slept with the first guy who bought me a drink, let him screw me in every hole possible, every night of the week until I end up with 6 kids, and on section 8, with a step-baby daddy living in my housing project, and using up all my food stamps, and living like a bum, I would be talked about like a dog, and nobody would want to help me, etc.

But, because I spend an hour or more with a gent, and have a mutually beneficial arrangement, and I am able to pay rent, and take care of myself well, they want to call me a bunch of trashy prostitutes, and whores, yet they beg to borrow a couple bucks in the end.

I like nice things, and those living with a bunch of kids on section 8 must be on drugs, because I love my life as a call girl, and nobody can take that from me!

Jade I've never met but would love to someday cause your a hottie. Tiffany speaks highly of you and I like your moxie! It's a free country and everybody has the right to go after the "brass ring". You got a good head on your shoulders and a good personality. Some people are hypocrites and or jealous of others what can you do? Laugh it off, tell them to piss off and enjoy yourself. Women have come a long way in this country when they not only couldn't vote but were treated as second class citizens. Men have fucked up this country for way to long, not all men just the ones who are the big talker hypocrites which are about 50%. That's why I'm voting for a woman come election time. Like I always say: She wants to sell it, he wants to buy it, they are both adults so why is it illegal? You Go Girl because your making alot of men who truly apprieciate it truely happy. Unfortuantely people forget this is a democracy but yet they act like kings and try to "control" people.

Your argument is extremely faulty and has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen anyone post.  Evolution is biological whereas monogamy is a current societal norm based on religious ethos.  Look around.  How many single men and women are not monogamous.  If it was evolution Einstein, then nobody would ever see more than one mate as they would have an ingrained instinct against it.  Monogamy is a choice foisted upon us by society as the "right" thing to do, and is moralistically based.  Trying to impose such morality on the Hobby is the epitome of hypocrisy.

It also almost matches your small-mindedness of assuming that all providers must have some negative reason for choosing this profession just because you obviously feel personal guilt about partaking.  Do us all a favor - Psychoanalyze yourself, but stay out of other people's heads.

if you slow down and sound out the words, it might be a little easier for you misterday.  They make these things called dictionaries (I know, another big word, but you can do it, just sound it out slowly) that you can use to look up the words you don't understand.  Just look for the words that start with the same letter and then followed by the same other letters in the word.  I know, it's a little complicated, but if you practice, I'm sure it will come.

For your edification (I know, another big word, but you can do it), she very clearly said that, and I paraphrase, opinions are like assholes (or misterdays if you prefer), everyone has one, and chances are, a lot of them stink.  In other words, in case that was hard for you to get: EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, and therefore SOME will be wrong, and since she does not agree with the "facts" supporting the article's premise, she disagrees with the assertion that all providers have negative reasons for providing.

You say
"Women have come a long way in this country when they not only couldn't vote but were treated as second class citizens."  And you cite escorting as the reason? Huh?   And then right after you say "That's why I'm voting for a woman come election time." Ask Hillary, THE WOMAN THAT YOU ARE VOTING FOR, what she thinks of your view on women's liberation.  How twisted?  The clinton's are trash sleazebags that damn near ran this country into the ground.  We are still picking up the pieces from the BS of those two.  

OBAMA ALL THE WAY!!!!

There are faulty flaws in logic everywhere Rolling eyes.  It seems that, in your worldview, that somehow hobbying is ingrained in us all, so how can anyone be monogamous?  Society cannot prevail against the instinct you cite, so like snowflakes in a Maine January, you argument drops precipitously.

More to the point, I have not put forward my view on whether monogamy is ingrained or not, I was arguing against the thought that humans one million years ago (wiring included) have somehow not evolved and remained static.  One cannot simply argue from a static viewpoint to support this case.  THAT is the flaw in our fair maiden's logic, not the position she took (though I believe that is flawed as well).

Try rolling your eyes less and keeping up with things here.  But you get points for attempt.

What does my guilt have to do with anything anyway?  Isn't it a positive thing to feel and express guilt, unconsciously or not?  Aren't guilt free people a major problem in criminal and other activity?  And yes, ALL providers (in the colloquial sense) do have that history.  Not to psychoanalyze, but is yours and others insistence that providing is an "of right mind" choice simply a way to assuage YOUR guilt about taking advantage of a woman that has a traumatic background?
(no, not take advantage in the sense of the hypothetical hobbyist that hypothetically may coerce an hypothetically drunk provider into hypothetically anal sex, but take advantage in the sense of benefiting from her traumatic life experiences.  

Hey, if, unfortunately, a woman is abused or something along those lines and she may end up providing, I hope the abused woman turns out to be 5'2", 36D, thin, and between 18 and 25.

Again, that is not an attack on providers.  i actually feel compassion for them having that knowledge.  I'd say 99.9% of providers i have met were great gals.  In fact, if you exclude B&S, I have not had a bad session because of a providers attitude or behavior.

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Monogamy is a product of societal evolution, not personal evolution (wiring), and I never said that hobbying is ingrained, just that monogamy is not.  You also argued that "A lack of monogamy by a mature adult is more reflective of intimacy or trauma problems." So, every person who has ever had more than one mate in their entire life, according to you, has intimacy or trauma problems.  That kind of blanket statement is so much unmitigated bullshit that my monitor turned brown and started to smell like you.

Perhaps that last statement of mine you cite is, in fact, a bit over the top.  I grant you that much.  It is perhaps more accurate to limit the intimacy and trauma issues to those on both sides of the hobby.

I like Obama too but I'm voting on Clinton. Your twisted in the head Misterday and a complete hypocrite even bitching on this site when I see those 21 reviews of yours. Your one of those little pussies that hides behind your computer yet likes to have his cake and eat it too. I love you fuckin conservative hypocrites. When Bush took over we had no national debt and gas was $1.50! All I know is because of Bush and Chaney will now have a 9 trillion dollar debt, gas prices are almost $4 bucks, the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer, 47 million americans(9 million which are children) don't have health care but 5 million illegal aliens do, 4,000 people have died in Iraq, the World Trade Center and Pentagon got destroyed and 3,700 people were killed on his watch while he sat in a childrens classroom and did nothing. Clinton or Obama is fine with me but I'm getting sick and tired of jerkoffs and asshole men rich men running this country. We need a ladies touch!

Oh, don't be such a pussy Johnnymas,

but each time I read your post, I finally get all the polling data they discuss on the news regarding clinton/obama and the voting groups they are getting.  You are voting for clinton.  And she is getting the blue collar and uneducated vote.  It makes sense now.  I always wondered how anyone could be suckered into voting for her, and now I get it.

Fuck you Misteday hows that? Fuck you, your stupid wife and the mother that bore your stupid ass. Keep fuckin around with me you'll see!

misterday is a little pissant who hates women and probably has a small dick... so fuck him !!!