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samanthategan See my TER Reviews 1363 reads
posted
1 / 21
Question for the guys......

Ok, I know I'm blonde but I did not realize there were so many girls that discriminated based on race.....wtf?!

I guess my question is, I screen, screen, screen.....first time appointments must fill out my secure booking form so that I can get a valid, recent reference and try to confirm that the customer is who he claims to be....yes, I know that nothing I do is going to completely ensure my safety but I do everything that I can, use every tool that I know of, so that I feel comfortable and secure meeting you. Race, age, appearance etc. does not factor into that in any way! And once we meet, you have already jumped through every hoop....as far as I'm concerned, you are my friend for life :-).

I am the most discreet and careful provider I know of.....the last thing I would ever want is to make some one uncomfortable or hold something over some one's head!! I have zero interest in interfering in any one's reality!!! Really? Like you, I have an important "real" job, family and loved ones who depend on my support, and a reputation to uphold.  

I guess I feel that this has got to be a two way street, so, my question.....what is available as far as screening for you hobbyists? I'm not going to give you my real name or address before I meet you (or even after)....and I think most of you understand the reasons for that , but you should have a way to feel comfortable with meeting a provider? Is it just reviews or what makes you feel ok with making that leap of faith?

Guess I'm just curious.

Epsilon_Eridani 705 reads
posted
2 / 21
if it's a two way street...

... then live up to that ideal.

Or else you'd be looked upon as a hypocrite.

For example... I've gone through your website and have been verified before. Now, you have my REAL name and other important vital information about me.

you just stated that "I'm not going to give you my real name or address before I meet you (or even after)", that contradicts your statement of "I guess I feel that this has got to be a two way street".

I give you my real name, real home address and other private information, but you are not willing to do the same if I requested that information for my own screening purposes?

How do I know that you are not going to use that information against me? Will you use my information against me when you post in the blacklists websites?  

See, the dilemma is a two way street. It's up to you if you want to drive both ways or not.  

the reason why I wanted meet you was based on your reviews, which led me to back channeling with other hobbyists and all information from the hobbyists came back as very positive.  

I am one of those that will not take the leap of faith. I've been burned enough times to steer clear of doing such thing.
 
Posted By: samanthategan
I guess I feel that this has got to be a two way street, so, my question.....what is available as far as screening for you hobbyists? I'm not going to give you my real name or address before I meet you (or even after)....and I think most of you understand the reasons for that , but you should have a way to feel comfortable with meeting a provider? Is it just reviews or what makes you feel ok with making that leap of faith?  
   
 Guess I'm just curious.

OhioBoy58 40 Reviews 713 reads
posted
3 / 21
two way street.....

I really don't need to know your personal info.....What I do need to know is what is on your menu
Are you safe to see.  Are you in a high crime area....Since I have had the pleasure I know where you entertain....Very nice area.  Are you a professional?  In that are you on time, do you cancel appointments and are the pics real.  After reading your reviews, looking at the website and getting info from some clients you have seen....I then make the contact.  
I almost always get some personal info thru chatting or thru some type of correspondence with escorts I see.  I tend to be a regular for a small group of ladies.  But I do from time to time see ladies for the first time too.

JoeAFriday 6 Reviews 566 reads
posted
4 / 21
back when...

Before there was a computer in every household, a leap of faith and some word of mouth reports were all I had to go by.  

But having been burned a "few" times I have my had to develop my own screening method.  

#1 meet her at a m&g.  

#2 see #1  

these days not even reviews are 100% correct in what might happen behind closed doors.   It's still a YMMV, if you catch her on a good day or not

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 612 reads
posted
5 / 21
what I guess I meant to ask was...

What is available for screening girls that are not on sites that do their own screening, such as TER? I am still a bit clueless about why guys would use BP or other sites that do not do any screening at all? Unless it is the price point or you are a newbie....why is it worth the chance?

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 552 reads
posted
6 / 21
Re: if it's a two way street...

Hmmm....sorry you feel it is hypocracy. You do realize that on TER and other  "upscale" (for lack of a better word) websites, I had to provide that information to them. It took my personal, private information, references from other hobbyists, positive reviews and several months to be accepted for TER and a few others. My idea was that that should be the screening a fellow would need without my personal risk involved, making us both feel comfortable and safe.

Obviously, BP and some of the other sites do no screening at all.....that's why they are free and accessible to anyone.

And EE, I guess I am confused....did we meet or not? If you filled out my form and your references came back positive, there should not have been a problem. Just fyi, I delete all the booking forms....either after I have verified some one or automatically after three weeks. I do not keep any personal information for ANYONE I haven't seen for their safety. For my regular gents, I only keep a phone number and/or email.

Atlastood 5 Reviews 550 reads
posted
7 / 21
Re: what I guess I meant to ask was...

I can't speak for the guys who TOFT because I wouldn't at this point in my life, but for those of us who do use BP I'd say that our "screening" is the same as it is for the other providers, mainly their reviews. Whether you're upscale or BP, we still get a fake name and a "business" phone number. Pictures help, of course, but they can easily be fakes as well. So all we have is the word of other guys. The fact that a provider says she screens isn't really that much of a comfort to us. If you're well reviewed you're likely not LE (or affiliated), and you're likely not BSC so beyond that there isn't much concern.

Epsilon_Eridani 607 reads
posted
8 / 21
very limited options...

... when it comes to screening BP ladies. It's a 50/50 chance on getting a good session.  

That's why I don't bother with BP ladies, the risk is way too high for me.

I do use TinEye often, but that's not the ONLY good screening method. I have weeded out MANY ladies here on TER based on what TinEye comes back with.  

Yes, even here on TER, there are ladies that are using fake pictures or pictures that are so old that it doesn't represent the lady in the present.  

So... I do not use BP at all, however, on TER, I still to my research regardless of the lady in question. I've been burned by these so called "well reviewed TER ladies" not to take anything for granted.
Posted By: samanthategan
Re: what I guess I meant to ask was... What is available for screening girls that are not on sites that do their own screening, such as TER? I am still a bit clueless about why guys would use BP or other sites that do not do any screening at all? Unless it is the price point or you are a newbie....why is it worth the chance?

wonderbuck 2 Reviews 458 reads
posted
9 / 21
Re: what I guess I meant to ask was...

Tineye.com  is a great place to start.  If the photo's are fake then its not worth the time to even go any further.

Posted By: samanthategan
What is available for screening girls that are not on sites that do their own screening, such as TER? I am still a bit clueless about why guys would use BP or other sites that do not do any screening at all? Unless it is the price point or you are a newbie....why is it worth the chance?

wonderbuck 2 Reviews 453 reads
posted
10 / 21
Re: if it's a two way street...

Posted By: samanthategan
Hmmm....sorry you feel it is hypocracy. You do realize that on TER and other  "upscale" (for lack of a better word) websites, I had to provide that information to them. It took my personal, private information, references from other hobbyists, positive reviews and several months to be accepted for TER and a few others. My idea was that that should be the screening a fellow would need without my personal risk involved, making us both feel comfortable and safe.  
   
 Obviously, BP and some of the other sites do no screening at all.....that's why they are free and accessible to anyone.  
   
 And EE, I guess I am confused....did we meet or not? If you filled out my form and your references came back positive, there should not have been a problem. Just fyi, I delete all the booking forms....either after I have verified some one or automatically after three weeks. I do not keep any personal information for ANYONE I haven't seen for their safety. For my regular gents, I only keep a phone number and/or email.
Yeah, that's all nice and well except for when/if you get busted by LEA.... long, long laundry list of of providers who turn  over client information to LEA and/or make it public...  

I don't play that game.  A provider is not getting my real name etc... its not safe ESPECIALLY for those of us with HIGH PROFILE career's  At least once every year or so we hear about a high profile person who's name ends up in the paper and their personal life, professional life is destroyed all because a provider got busted and they sing like a bird.... no thanks...

Epsilon_Eridani 441 reads
posted
11 / 21
... yes...

... Tineye is my 1st thing that I do when it comes to checking out the ladies.

If it passes the "Tineye test", then I do further in-depth research.
 
Posted By: wonderbuck
Tineye.com  is a great place to start.  If the photo's are fake then its not worth the time to even go any further.  
   
Posted By: samanthategan
What is available for screening girls that are not on sites that do their own screening, such as TER? I am still a bit clueless about why guys would use BP or other sites that do not do any screening at all? Unless it is the price point or you are a newbie....why is it worth the chance?

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 619 reads
posted
12 / 21
If you have solid references, 90 percent of providers do not want your real info.

Here is what I find the most comical though... most guys with REAL high profile careers are not the ones who give us the most shit about the info. In fact, it's just the opposite. Some dolt who does not even make 50k a year is usually the one thinking a provider making 3 times that actually wants to shake him down. Fail.  

When my doctor or attorney asks me for my information, I hand it over if I want HIS services... providers are not the ones trying to hire you, but the other way around. Many guys (one who posts here, actually) really don't have to worry about providers being the ones who out them... they were dumb enough to do it themselves by hitting a backpage ad with an email account that had their real name and life history already attached lol. Talk about STUPID.

Epsilon_Eridani 556 reads
posted
13 / 21
please provide statistical proof of this...

... 90% of providers that don't want their client's real info.

Your rationale for using a doctor and lawyer to give them your REAL information is flawed.

For starters... doctors and lawyers are BOUND by law NOT to reveal their clients information unless it's under subpoena. I provide my doctors and lawyers with real information because I can TRUST them with that information.

When it comes to providers... I cannot use the same kind of trust unless I have been with a provider for a long time.

So, your logic is flawed in that whole post of yours.
 
Posted By: London Rayne
Re: If you have solid references, 90 percent of providers do not want your real info. Here is what I find the most comical though... most guys with REAL high profile careers are not the ones who give us the most shit about the info. In fact, it's just the opposite. Some dolt who does not even make 50k a year is usually the one thinking a provider making 3 times that actually wants to shake him down. Fail.  
   
 When my doctor or attorney asks me for my information, I hand it over if I want HIS services... providers are not the ones trying to hire you, but the other way around. Many guys (one who posts here, actually) really don't have to worry about providers being the ones who out them... they were dumb enough to do it themselves by hitting a backpage ad with an email account that had their real name and life history already attached lol. Talk about STUPID.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 440 reads
posted
14 / 21
You're the Komputerpro... figure it out lol.

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
... 90% of providers that don't want their client's real info.  
   
 Your rationale for using a doctor and lawyer to give them your REAL information is flawed.  
   
 For starters... doctors and lawyers are BOUND by law NOT to reveal their clients information unless it's under subpoena. I provide my doctors and lawyers with real information because I can TRUST them with that information.  
  I should have known such a simpleton would never be able to  read between the lines, but the point of my entire post was that YOU are the one coming to providers for service, not the other way around. You provide what they want, or see someone else... just like you can with any business person such as  a Doctor or Attorney. FYI, if you're dumb enough to think doctors do not share your info at some of those fun coke parties they have with pharm reps, think again lol. I was a rep for 5 years, and nothing is sacred.  

 When it comes to providers... I cannot use the same kind of trust unless I have been with a provider for a long time.  
   
 So, your logic is flawed in that whole post of yours.  
   
   
Posted By: London Rayne
Re: If you have solid references, 90 percent of providers do not want your real info. Here is what I find the most comical though... most guys with REAL high profile careers are not the ones who give us the most shit about the info. In fact, it's just the opposite. Some dolt who does not even make 50k a year is usually the one thinking a provider making 3 times that actually wants to shake him down. Fail.    
     
  When my doctor or attorney asks me for my information, I hand it over if I want HIS services... providers are not the ones trying to hire you, but the other way around. Many guys (one who posts here, actually) really don't have to worry about providers being the ones who out them... they were dumb enough to do it themselves by hitting a backpage ad with an email account that had their real name and life history already attached lol. Talk about STUPID.

Epsilon_Eridani 456 reads
posted
15 / 21
is that the best you can come up with?

you do realize that there is no TER ID with that name.

who are you talking to? yourself?
Posted By: London Rayne
 
Re: You're the Komputerpro... figure it out lol.    

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 403 reads
posted
16 / 21
I guess what it comes down to...

is  comfort and a certain level of trust....and sometimes that is, for me, a matter of instinct (after all the possible screening measures of course).

Please do realize that yes, it is the hobbyists that are seeking my services not the other way around. I have another "high profile" job and a private life to protect just like you. As a provider, I am not only vulnerable to LE but also to actual physical harm. And, hobbyists have also given up personal information about providers when busted by LE. Some have even allowed LE to use their identities to contact and employ providers.

There simply isn't a way to be 100 percent secure when seeing some one new. I, like 99 percent of providers, have no wish to mess up some one's life. Sure, we all hear the horror stories of harassment, stalking, threats, shake downs or robberies of both providers and hobbyists but they are honestly pretty rare events.

I would say if, as a hobbyist, you are not comfortable giving out your personal information then don't. That is perfectly acceptable and there are girls out there that will see you without providing it, especially if you have references.

As a provider, I would simply ask that you understand that I am not comfortable seeing you without that information and that is also acceptable. Please don't refuse to give me the information that I ask for and then get nasty when I don't set an appointment. And please don't give me fake information. I will figure that out most of the time and that will, naturally, make me uncomfortable about meeting you.

Shouldn't this community accept each other for where they are and what they feel comfortable with?! It seems like there is something out there to make everyone happy

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 423 reads
posted
17 / 21
Who said it was a TER ID? LMAO... dolt. Thanks for busting yourself...again. E.


END OF MESSAGE

Epsilon_Eridani 449 reads
posted
18 / 21
unfortunately, not all follow that...

... line of thinking.

I've been accused by a few people (providers and hobbyists) of doing something that I have never done.  
How does one protect themselves from the slanderous statements that are thrown about like golden nuggets?  
People will want to believe anything others say about you even if it's false.

So... someone in my position has very little trust and comfort with other providers because of bad experiences such as these.  

Even though a provider like yourself never has said anything bad about me... it's that "guilty by association" mindset that is difficult to move past.

If you see a hobbyist refusing to give you information that they are not comfortable sharing with you, it may be due to a previous experience that the hobbyist was taken advantage of.

just my 3 cents...
Posted By: samanthategan
Re: I guess what it comes down to... is  comfort and a certain level of trust....and sometimes that is, for me, a matter of instinct (after all the possible screening measures of course).  
   
 Please do realize that yes, it is the hobbyists that are seeking my services not the other way around. I have another "high profile" job and a private life to protect just like you. As a provider, I am not only vulnerable to LE but also to actual physical harm. And, hobbyists have also given up personal information about providers when busted by LE. Some have even allowed LE to use their identities to contact and employ providers.  
   
 There simply isn't a way to be 100 percent secure when seeing some one new. I, like 99 percent of providers, have no wish to mess up some one's life. Sure, we all hear the horror stories of harassment, stalking, threats, shake downs or robberies of both providers and hobbyists but they are honestly pretty rare events.  
   
 I would say if, as a hobbyist, you are not comfortable giving out your personal information then don't. That is perfectly acceptable and there are girls out there that will see you without providing it, especially if you have references.  
   
 As a provider, I would simply ask that you understand that I am not comfortable seeing you without that information and that is also acceptable. Please don't refuse to give me the information that I ask for and then get nasty when I don't set an appointment. And please don't give me fake information. I will figure that out most of the time and that will, naturally, make me uncomfortable about meeting you.  
   
 Shouldn't this community accept each other for where they are and what they feel comfortable with?! It seems like there is something out there to make everyone happy.  
   
 

Epsilon_Eridani 398 reads
posted
19 / 21
Re: Who said it was a TER ID? LMAO... dolt. Thanks for busting yourself...again. E.

really London? are you that obsessed with this komputerpro?

who cares whether it's a TER ID, alias, or some figment of your imagination, the fact remains, that there is no name in TER of komputerpro.

you might want to visit your psychiatrist to get you out of that alternate universe you are in.
Posted By: London Rayne

2225623 15 Reviews 425 reads
posted
20 / 21
Re: I guess what it comes down to...

Samantha ... I am a hobbiest in the same area that you practice.  I have never seen you, not because I did not want to ( I actually would love to see you) but because of the fact that I will not give out any personal info. I did start to fill out the contact info sheet once but felt that it was too personal and stopped.  I have a burner phone for the hobby and along with my handle, I also use a nickname that I had in elementary school when I do give a name. I work for a very conservative company and cannot take the chance that anyone finds out who I am. I do have several reputable references and have given several reviews under the handle I currently have and the one I had a few years ago. I was white listed under my old handle and gave that up because I thought I was becoming too well known in the hobby. I am a green square on another popular board as well as the fact that you would most likely know lots of the references that I could give you. If all of that is not enough for you or a few other providers than unfortunately we will never meet. I do not have a problem with that because I respect your opinion of what makes you comfortable. If you are not comfortable or if I am not comfortable because of being afraid that I have given out too much personal info then neither of us would probably enjoy the session anyway. I do respect your opinion of what makes you comfortable but you have to realize that the risk is the same on both sides of the equation and there are many of us who do everything possible to stay under the radar. We, like you have our opinions of how to maintain the secrecy that is so necessary to both of us. Just realize that sometimes you miss out on seeing some great guys because the amount of personal info you ask for is more than many of us feel safe to give.

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 379 reads
posted
21 / 21
Re: I guess what it comes down to...

Yes, I understand and accept that but really my biggest problem would be dating a Seattle fan....wink wink!

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