okay. I am taking a lady I see at the spa out for an overnite  My plan is to tell her ahead of time i'll pay for her time, I want lots of sex and I want her to be my GF.  If she disagrees then we don't go. Is this a correct plan

ranslation:  "You want to have an overnight excursion with a lady you see at your spa. You are going to make sure she absolutely knows she will be compensated for her time. In return for compensating her for her time (I am assuming this is monetary compensation), you want to make sure you will get laid for the ENTIRE evening (As you so eloquently phrased it: Lots of sex, yes!!).  After you make this exchange (money for sex), you want this woman to be your girlfriend (How could she refuse after an evening with you!)  If she disagrees with your brilliant plan, then the arrangement is off and you will not take her out for the evening.  

Okay, I have stopped laughing. Let me try and help.

1. If the woman at your spa is a provider, then you don't need to explain to her that she will be compensated for her time. She will EXPECT to be compensated for her time. However, when the arrangement has been completed (you have handed over money and have gotten lots of sex) she will have NO interest in being your girlfriend. EVER. Your relationship with her has sadly come to an end. You are free to set up another appointment with her again, but understand that it will cost you more money for more sex. That's how it works.  

2.  If the woman at your spa is not a provider, I am not sure you would want to mention that you are willing to "pay her for her time". She may look at you and say "What do you think I am, an escort?"  After this brilliant strategy on your end crashes and burns, it is highly doubtful that she will ever want to be your girlfriend.  Also, there is a high probability you will not get laid for the evening.  

I am just not sure you are understanding how this entire hobbyist/provider relationship works. But please tell us how it all plays out

Why don't you run it by her and ask her what she is comfortable with in the sex dept, rather than telling her how much sex you want to have. Who knows maybe she'll surprise you and have a high sex drive. Maybe you'll get dick burn too.

Most ladies don't want to feel like a piece of meat that you want to f*ck all night though. Being considerate usually leads to more fun so choose your words carefully!

Steph

see if she will change your diaper too..

If you have not seen this gal at least a dozen times over the last couple of years, don't even consider it.

I have done overnights with a few gals that I met at spas, but I had known them for a long time and they all went very well.

By the way, I assume this "spa" is a sexually oriented one, no?  If not, then forget the entire enterprise as you'll not only get shot down, but banned from the place forever.

overnights are much better when you go with a lady you have spent time with previously.  You want to be certain there is some chemistry there before wanting to spend 12 hours with a woman.

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I have seen this girl for 6 months every 2 weeks.  I really like her a lot.  She is sweet, pretty, conversational and just a good  soul.  Yes, we do have sex.  I think she likes me, but it is so hard to tell.  I would like to have a wonderful day with her and a romantic evening.  Dinner, walk in the park etc.   I would be disappointed if the evening did not include sex.  When I say GF, it is just the feeling for the evening at this point.  Do you have any suggestions.

You are correct. very smart and 100% correct.  The part about sex came out completely wrong.  I really like this girl a lot.  Please read reply to Shaking The Sheets.

I've seen this lady for 6 months.  We've had sex every time.  Good advice.  Please read reply to Shaking The Sheets

It's been 6 months every 2weeks.  I really like her.   Please see reply to Shaking The Sheets.

Thanks.  Where can I find the material on overnights.  I've read some of your posts.  You seem to know a lot and present it a  fashion that doesn't offend.

It's just too bad that the words I have for you can't get past the editor.

You sound overly excited, so first, calm down.

I think I follow you ... but no one is really sure what you're saying.  Regardless, I don't like the plan.

1. You know the lady via a spa where sex is the norm ... so you know she has sex with other guys for money and she knows that you pay for sex.  

2. You get along well (in your opinion).  Good chemistry.  

3a. You want an overnight with lots of sex and, for that evening, a Girl Friend Experience.  
or do you mean  
3b. You want an overnight with lots of sex and then she will agree to be your Girl Friend forevermore.  

Whichever.  I suggest that you come at it the other way and reverse your expectations (or are they demands?), but CALM DOWN.  She knows you're a payer.  See if she will agree to the overnight (after reading other posts about o/n's).  If yes, you both know that there will be money for sex.  You are expecting all-night hardcore; she, maybe not.  She might insist on a couple of hours of sleep before the morning wake-up BJ.

Now, relax your expectations (demands?) closer to reality and tone things down for her, too. "Well, maybe not wall-to-wall ALL night long.  I would also like to take you to dinner, go for a walk, ... during our time together."

As far as the last bit about "be my GF.  If she disagrees then we don't go.", don't even go there.  I think that YOU need to see how YOU enjoy her company beyond the standard h or hh that you've been paying for for the past year or more.  You might be sick of her company after 2 hours and pay her to leave!  If you do the o/n, go for a walk, watch a movie, TALK about stuff then both of you will know if you want to go forward with a long term GF-BF kind of thing.  

But calm down

thank you for your comments which I believe to be very helpful.  #s 1,2 and 3a are true. We have amazing chemistry.  and I believe she likes me. so I presented my proposal in a loving respectful manner
here is her answer  she would love to go but management does not allow the girls to go out with customers or anyone for that matter.  is there any hope

If she told you that her management doesn't allow it (whether that's true or not), then her answer is no. I know this isn't what you want to hear, but no, there is no hope as far as getting her to do an overnight is concerned.  

It sounds like you got your answer if she already told you it's not allowed. Time to make a new plan with someone else.

I hope you're sitting down for this.  If she really, REALLY, REALLY wanted to go out with you, she would have said, 'Not allowed, but I'll risk it just for you.'  

I should have realized for my first reply that, of course, the spa expects their cut of everything. At some houses, girls who try to cut the house out of their share by exchanging phone numbers and making private dates can get fired.  Now, if you went to spa management or the booker or however it works and said, "I'd like a 10 hour overnite with my favorite girl.  Do you have a special rate?  Or is that 10 hours x your rate = $$$.  OK?" that might work (after they checked with the girl to see if she was agreeable to it).  As an incall spa, they might not agree to it since they can't protect the girl on an outcall.  

Would you ask her out on a normal, no-pay, no-sex date?  Let me stress the NORMAL part.  

Anyway, I think her basic answer, No, was THE answer: No.  Move on

your info seemscorrect and reliable and well thought out  just let me add a couple of things.  this girl and I have a GF relationship.  I know they act, but I think this is real.  I have consistentlybrought her flowers, candy and cake and for the mamasan too  the mamasan and I talk on the phone sometimes.  she knows how much I like this girl  this is an ss pace  the lady is extremely frightened to do anything above that  okay i'll let you know this.  I did ask the mamasan.  She said she would talk to the owners.  She said "she can't guarantee anything."  If this got through, how would the cost be figured  dinnerr, visit to the zoo, sex in the evening and the next morning and breakbast.  Approx 21 hours

for something I really want I never give up

tobi

This girl is as close as you can get to a GF in an ss place.  We hug, we kiss, we do a few things not allowed in an ss.  I really, really like her.  Yes, I am hooked. I can't doonce a week.  I will get this overnite and one every month or just leave altogether.  I see her in the morning and want her more in the evening.  Yes, it is driving me crazy.

What??? The??? F**k???

How old is this clown? 11?

I can't even believe that I am reading this thread. This reminded me of my high school monthly paper we got.  

Cooties, maybe?

didn't realize that this was the Japanese board.

what does sans serif mean for the Japanese?

Epsilon_Eridani_san

I had to type that part...

I hope you can work out the details and both have a good time.
 You may not be one, but that statement makes you sound a bit like a stalker.

So true ShakingtheSheets.  You pay for your GFE.  Once it is done, the interest is lost.  Well said.

Why waste your time with relationships.  You can get burned in may ways.  Nothing is free.  You'll better off paying for what you want and walk away with no emotional attachments.