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Yes, I'd say you are overthinking it....
wboarder 2575 reads
posted
1 / 29
Possible TS?

Good morning folks,  

I'm a newb, excited to become a hobbyist and contribute to the community here.  I have a concern that I hope the more experienced may address.  

I am in contact with a well-reviewed (Top 50 in her area) provider and will likely set something up.  Though, in the course of conducting my due diligence, I've made a possibly troubling observation.  Though, I may just be overthinking it.  The provider is considered beautiful by all reviewers, and is very experienced (even has film credits).  Yet, everyone compliments how tight she has remained.  Also, she is fairly flat chested and, here is the kicker, on her profile the question about whether she is a trans is listed as "unsure".  Yet, not one review that I read made any remark indicating that she may be.  

I don't know.  If  she is in fact TS, it was a ridiculously successful conversion.  But I would think that a professional would disclose as much.  And, of course, I can think of no tactful way of asking her about this directly.  

Is there a chance that I've made a legit discovery or am I just being overly analytical?

Thank you!

mrfisher 115 Reviews 529 reads
posted
2 / 29
Yes, I'd say you are overthinking it....

if she has a lot of reviews and not one mentioned her being a TS, the odds are that she is not.

If you have VIP, you could contact a few of them by PM and ask if it makes you feel better

2236707 3 Reviews 588 reads
posted
3 / 29
If no one can tell then what difference does it make?

Also, profiles on some sites like TER keep whatever info the very first rater entered. Who knows, maybe the question mark was a typing error or maybe the guy was trying to indicate he didn't understand the question!

wboarder 537 reads
posted
4 / 29
Re: If no one can tell then what difference does it make?

Posted By: dani987x
Also, profiles on some sites like TER keep whatever info the very first rater entered. Who knows, maybe the question mark was a typing error or maybe the guy was trying to indicate he didn't understand the question!
I appreciate the replies, folks.  I am certain I am overthinking it.  My future review (potentially) will put this one to rest :)

To answer the question, it makes no difference to me. Well, other than my sense of her professionalism would be diminished for not disclosing.  Again, just doing my due diligence.  

Thanks again!

JackDunphy 555 reads
posted
5 / 29
I can only tell you, based on what you are saying, is that I wouldnt see her.

The "unsure" designation would keep me away, but that's me. If guys want to go the TS route, that is their choice.

The question for you is, if it turns out to be that she is when you meet her or you strongly suspect she is, will it matter? Is it a deal breaker for you?

And while a "professional" may disclose, not everyone in this profession, or any profession, is a professional.

Did you hit up her dudes by pm and get the skinny? Sometimes you will get info that isn't in the reviews.

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 503 reads
posted
6 / 29
You know...

Every woman at some point when they were still a fetus. Had a penis, which ultimately became the clit, and vagina. So in a way, all women are transsexuals booooooooooooo. There. So don't go see any women ever again of you'll be gay. LoL

At this point you may be thinking. That's ridiculous. The answer is. Yes it is. Just like it's ridiculous that you think that because a provider has a tight vagina, means she's a ts. If in doubt. Just ask. Plain and simple.  

if it looks like a duck. If it walks like a duck. If it sounds like a duck. It probably is a duck. My 0.02 C

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 537 reads
posted
7 / 29
Re: I can only tell you, based on what you are saying, is that I wouldnt see her.

Should a professional also disclose all her past relationships, diseases, pregnancy scares, jobs, degrees, ethnic background, medications, how many children does she have... You get the idea right?

How does that make her unprofessional. That's simply not correct JD. I'm sorry but ure wrong on this one. She needs to disclose nothing. As that's her personal business. If he has doubts. Just don't go. Or just ask. But don't expect her to disclose her personal business to strangers. It's call anonymous sex. That goes both ways. Not just your way 😉

wboarder 542 reads
posted
8 / 29
Re: I can only tell you, based on what you are saying, is that I wouldnt see her.

Posted By: TS Sasha
Should a professional also disclose all her past relationships, diseases, pregnancy scares, jobs, degrees, ethnic background, medications, how many children does she have... You get the idea right?  
   
 How does that make her unprofessional. That's simply not correct JD. I'm sorry but ure wrong on this one. She needs to disclose nothing. As that's her personal business. If he has doubts. Just don't go. Or just ask. But don't expect her to disclose her personal business to strangers. It's call anonymous sex. That goes both ways. Not just your way 😉
This is a great point.  

Again, there was no negative connotation intended with my question.  I hope the tone of the question didn't suggest that.  

In any case, I find the provider attractive, so it's really inconsequential in any practical way.  

Thanks again!

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 422 reads
posted
9 / 29
I never took ur OP wrong.

Listen I get it. I'm a trans girl, and u know all about stigma and stuff. Trust me. I myself have my own reservations about girls not disclosing it. But having said that. To single out just that one thing. And call someone unprofessional for that one thing but not the other 1000 things she didn't disclose. It's just wrong.  

I commend you for posting the thread. It's a good question, and I'm glad that regardless of whether she is a ts or not, that you're intending to follow thru. We need more guys like u in the hobby 😘

JackDunphy 497 reads
posted
10 / 29
Why can you have your reservations about non disclosure but I cant?

If I showed up at that girls incall and she was a TS, I would be fkin pissed and I wouldn't go through with the session. How does that help either side?

Sorry Sash, but you can't tell me my opinion is wrong.

Meena Valero See my TER Reviews 523 reads
posted
11 / 29
No, female fetuses do not start out with penises

A male fetus likewise does not start with a clitoris which then turns into a penis. That is not how human sex organs develop. Here is an article with more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans

If you don't want to read the entire article, here is a pertinent quote: "It is the Y chromosome that is essential for the development of the male reproductive organs, and with no Y chromosome, an embryo will develop into a female."  
 
Posted By: TS Sasha
Every woman at some point when they were still a fetus. Had a penis, which ultimately became the clit, and vagina. So in a way, all women are transsexuals booooooooooooo. There. So don't go see any women ever again of you'll be gay. LoL  
   
 At this point you may be thinking. That's ridiculous. The answer is. Yes it is. Just like it's ridiculous that you think that because a provider has a tight vagina, means she's a ts. If in doubt. Just ask. Plain and simple.  
   
 if it looks like a duck. If it walks like a duck. If it sounds like a duck. It probably is a duck. My 0.02 C
Related Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 495 reads
posted
12 / 29
My reservations on this issue are related to safety for the girl.

What are your reservations related to?  

Why would you be pissed off if u found out she was a post of transexual woman? She would have breasts. Vagina. Pretty face. Long hair. Girly attitude. Flirty personality, and most likely would show you a great time. Tell me what's the outrage about? Is she gonna give you some kind of trans bug? Like dani... Says above. If you can't tell, does it really matter? If you found out that a girl you had a great time with and have seen several times, was a ts, would that take away from all the fun you have had with her? Cmon guys it's 2016 (T - 4 days).  

do you get pissed when you rub one out? Because technically you just got a handjob from a dude. LoL

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sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 446 reads
posted
13 / 29
Dr house lied to me.



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Meena Valero See my TER Reviews 453 reads
posted
14 / 29
Not just google

I'm 10 years (or so) older than you are. In school, I learned generally the same information detailed in the article I linked.  
 

Posted By: TS Sasha
Got me there. Well I guess that dates me lol. When I grew up that's what I was told lol. Sorry.

2236707 3 Reviews 498 reads
posted
15 / 29
Look at it this way y'all: If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it

make a sound? So if a TS girl has surgery and according to the OP no one who has ever reviewed her or watched her films realized, does her former physical configuration matter?  (Assuming you are not trying to sire a child by a provider, are you??)

JackDunphy 449 reads
posted
16 / 29
My reservations are based on my sexual desire or me being attracted to her.

Sure you are right, if I didn't know, it wouldnt bother me. But if I do know, or suspect so, and that was the OP's point, that would ruin my hardon and thus ruin my session.

This isn't a discrimination issue Tash, this is an attractiveness issue and part of attraction is based in the mind and not just the eyes. I wouldn't be able to enjoy myself with a TS for similar, but different, reasons that I don't see dark African American women or pale red heads.

I don't find those girls attractive with my eyes. I don't find TS girls attractive with my mind. It's a turn off. It's not like I consciously flip a switch to determine what I am attracted to, it's the way I am hard wired.

For those who want to engage with girls like yourself, that is their business and their money. When it's my business and my money, I'll pick who I want to see

2236707 3 Reviews 459 reads
posted
17 / 29
Come to think of it, the real scam that should make a lot of guys enraged

is all the ads with ten to twenty year old air-brushed photos. I'd rather walk through the door and find a beautiful albeit undetectable ts lady than walk in and find the Before version of a $ubway weight loss ad.

wboarder 534 reads
posted
18 / 29
Re: Come to think of it, the real scam that should make a lot of guys enraged

Posted By: dani987x
is all the ads with ten to twenty year old air-brushed photos. I'd rather walk through the door and find a beautiful albeit undetectable ts lady than walk in and find the Before version of a $ubway weight loss ad.
I'm a newb so forgive my ignorance, please.  But I would imagine that this is something that most clients would indicate in their reviews, right

1192967 45 Reviews 452 reads
posted
19 / 29
What profile? Her TER profile? Unsure isn't one of the options. ...

...The drop down for indicating if the provider is transsexual gives three options only. 1. no 2. yes pre-op  
3. yes post-op

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 465 reads
posted
20 / 29
Re: Come to think of it, the real scam that should make a lot of guys enraged

Yes wboarder. For the most part what dani987x would be reflected in reviews.

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 457 reads
posted
21 / 29
I actually agree with u if that's the case. Eom


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2236707 3 Reviews 470 reads
posted
22 / 29
No, many outdated photo's are not called out in reviews.

Some are and many are not. Reviewers are often motivated to give high marks and avoid unpleasantness that might cause problems for themselves later on. Providers can trace most guys who visit them to their ter handles. One way around that which some guys don't seem to know is to post a review under your alias instead of your handle.

impposter 49 Reviews 492 reads
posted
23 / 29
Not disclosing is? was? TER bannable.

When I was just starting out, one of my newbie Qs was about a stunning ad I saw but the Profile link was something like "no longer available" or one of the related errors. First, my OP was pulled because I mentioned the name and link of the Provider and the ad. When I asked again, more discretely, the back channel was more along the lines that the Provider in question was TS but refused to advertise that way, repeatedly. It was explained to me at that time that not being open about being TS (or being deceitful about having two X chromosomes) was reason enough for TER to ban the Provider and remove their Profile.  

I don't know if that is true or no longer true.

Sasha posted
Should a professional also disclose all her past relationships, diseases, pregnancy scares, jobs, degrees, ethnic background, medications, how many children does she have... You get the idea right?
but I disagree with the comparison. Psychologically, many (most?) of us can deal with multiple partners, past relationships, etc., but the gender-TS thing is a whole other ballpark. There is both a sexual and emotional component to our couplings. Paying for sex and being in love with an XX hostess for one hour we can deal with. Getting involved with someone under the pretense or assumption of two X chromosomes and discovering, after the clothes come off and the lights go on, that there is a dangling Y in there just triggers and different emotional response.  

My position is to ask for full disclosure BEFOREHAND. There have been posts about the (tragic) public record of violence associated with the failure to disclose beforehand. In an earlier thread on violence in general, TS providers were the most often abused class; the discussion of that study didn't say anything about whether the TS disclosure was beforehand or if the abuse mostly occurred in response to the surprise disclosures

wboarder 398 reads
posted
24 / 29
Re: What profile? Her TER profile? Unsure isn't one of the options. ...

Posted By: xyz23
...The drop down for indicating if the provider is transsexual gives three options only. 1. no 2. yes pre-op  
 3. yes post-op.  
   
 
If there was a quick and easy way to upload the picture, I'd clip an image of the portion of the profile where it certainly says "Transgender: Unsure".  

In any case, it seems a silly question to me now.  I think I had really asked because I am completely new to hobbying and I just wanted to make sure that this sort of deception isn't a common practice to which I was ignorant.  I've gotten an answer to my satisfaction.  It is not.  Though, like any rule, there have been exceptions to it.  

Thanks again for the helpful feedback.  I am happy that some healthy dialogue was also  generated.  Cheers!

wboarder 375 reads
posted
25 / 29
This was a very thoughtful reply. Thank you. (eom)


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1192967 45 Reviews 372 reads
posted
26 / 29
Thanks. I had double checked the review form before I responded...

...I'd even checked the profile of a TS provider. I then clicked the "Review Provider" button on the TS provider's profile. I still only get three options No, Yes-preOp, Yes-postOp.  Unsure doesn't come up as an option. If you click Yes-preOp you get more drop down menus. None of those have unsure as an option.  

I'm curious why the one you're discussing has Unsure indicated.

I'm going to ask Admin about this

Meena Valero See my TER Reviews 399 reads
posted
27 / 29
You can post a link to her profile (eom)


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1192967 45 Reviews 402 reads
posted
28 / 29
Reply from Admin. There is no "unsure" option...

...when filling out a profile to review a provider TS or otherwise.

I know TER does use "Don't Know" as the default response to profile fields however that option isn't available regarding whether the provider is a transsexual or not.

I know you said you didn't want to identify the provider so perhaps you would consider a PM.



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Durhamdrew 19 Reviews 355 reads
posted
29 / 29
Book and check for a really big clit. Get back to us E


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