You really shed a huge light on this issue. Thank you so much for that.
Still relatively a newb so I an trying to understand why outcall rates are always higher. What goes into a provider's thought process to determine outcall rates? My experience so far has all been incall with a mix of decent hotels or at their home. They have mostly been lower volume providers.
Factors to increase the outcall rate:
- client paying for your travel time is obvious
- is the NCNS rate higher for outcalls?
- is the client paying for your extra risk? (going into an environment you don't control does carry some additional risk to the provider)
Factors that argue for a lower outcall rate:
- client is paying for the room. I guess this would be less of a factor for "high volume" providers that can "amortize" the room cost over several clients.
- client is providing covering "utilities". If your incall is your home or a shared apartment you are on the hook for the water, electric, washing towels, etc....
- the flip side of the risk equation is that it should be easier to walk away (or run) from a sketchy client if they are not at your place.
Thanks for your input
JB
business models being practiced...
Most ladies opt for the former model asking higher prices for outcalls. But on occasion, rare albeit, I come across ladies who practice the latter...
Mostly it is the time lost going back and forth, being stuck in the traffic demands higher rate..If you look at where I live (in the DC area), a 90 min outcall can easily eat up 3-4 hrs of provider's time.
But I believe the main one is simply time. For example, if you're seeing her for an hour and it takes her 30 minutes to get to you, that's two hours of her time spent while getting paid for one. So she could stay home and potentially have two dates during the same period.
I cater to both, but am never paying for my own room to see a client. Outcalls I prefer, but I will get a room anywhere to accommodate my playdates.
All things considered, outcalls take twice as much time and hassle vs. incalls. Just the facts. Outcalls are more risky, more shit must be hauled over there, you have to get dressed and undressed 3 times, drive there, park, do the deed, drive back, etc. No way. I like MY comfortable surroundings to do with as I please. Guys have no clue about atmosphere, lighting, music, etc. for the most part lol. I will handle all of that.
For me, I pay rent on several incalls with a few other girls so whether I work or not, that expense is still there. Outcalls are just seriously annoying for me, which is why I stopped doing them. Yes, the bs factor increases with doing outcalls, especially for new providers. Many agency gals are left standing at the door because someone did not properly screen the guy, some have been robbed assaulted, etc. This RARELY happens when a guy is going to the provider's space not knowing if she has a gun there or security of some sort outside.
We are simply more protected doing incalls. Who wants to be walking back to their car alone at night, with a wad of cash? Not me.
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You really shed a huge light on this issue. Thank you so much for that.
I have seen ads that say outcall only as well as those that say incall only. The ladies all have their own reasons for what they do. I agree with previous posters, and think that time is the main factor. Also, as London pointed out, setting the atmosphere, dressing and undressing, having the proper things with her, are all factors to be considered, when going to an outcall. Time leads to extra costs as well as potential lost income. If it takes her half an hour to get to the client for an hour appointment, there is at least a 2 hour block of time, not to mention her prep time prior to leaving. She might have had 2 dates in the time it took for just one.
Remember that gas is not cheap today, and if she has to drive much distance to get to the client, there is another expense that takes a cut of her fee. In addition, I would think that a provider would feel more comfortable in familiar surroundings, i e, her own place, than in a strange hotel room with a total stranger she just met.
Swim
Yeppers. Some women don't mind the drive because they don't want the extra expense of maintaining an incall, nor do they want to pay even 200 bucks for a room. I have no problem with the money aspect, because I feel my rate is all inclusive of 100-150 that I am going to spend on snacks and wine/champagne, anyway, but I don't like the damn hassle!
Hotels make me very uncomfortable, especially when I am having to go in, and then come right back out. It is a lot different if I rent my own suite and plan to stay there for a few days, but I don't like the in and out shit. I really felt like a hooker whilst doing outcalls lol. It was as if it was tattooed on my forehead. Front desk saw me go in and come back out in a couple hours, all messed up.
No offense, but I never look the same way coming out as I did going in, regardless of how much prep time I put in. I would need a solid hour to recover from what some men do to my face and hair during a date. It is insane. Some guys actually LICK us on the face and neck, like a damn dog! They pull our hair and put it in our own mouths whilst giving them a bj, (it is pulled BACK for a reason) cum all over the damn place, etc. Yes, much easier for me to just do incall bwahhahaa.
Funny that this got posted right while I have been struggling with this issue myself. My policy has been in flux over the past week while I've been looking for the sweet spot between my preferences and the needs of clients.
Now, granted, I'm not really experienced at the hobby yet, a newbie myself. However, I've been using the interwebs to arrange (non-hobby) escapades for near a decade at this point, so I know a thing or two about anonymous encounters. (Book an appointment with me, I'll tell you about them.) I'm one of the girls who prefers outcalls, for a couple reasons.
-I'm never doing incalls at my apartment. Never. This means hotels only.
-I have a flexible, yet often unpredictable civilian job, so it's just logistically easier for me to schedule a meeting or two at a time, since I would hate to have a few days all lined up, and then have to cancel because my day job got in the way.
-I don't have to worry about filling a schedule in order to make an incall location financially feasible. Again, that could be an issue due to the day job.
-I'm much more comfortable walking away from a difficult/dangerous situation when all I have to do is grab a bag and go. In an incall (even at a hotel), not really the same ease of exit. Hopefully careful screening would eliminate this issue entirely, but one never knows.
-As I said, I've been engaging in anonymous encounters for a while. 90% of the time, I've been meeting partners at their locations. I've honed a sixth sense about people, based on the way they first engage in conversation and how they handle the arrangements. I have had exactly two bad experiences (not in hobby land, but still), and those two were from not listening to my gut instinct. If I ever got a bad feeling from someone, I wouldn't do an outcall, but probably wouldn't be doing an incall with them either.
-If someone is willing to allow me into their private space, I think it tends to say something positive about who that person is.
-I'm not doing this as my primary source of income. So, walking away from a date won't mean not paying the rent. Granted, it might mean having to eat PBJ sandwiches for a week or so, but hey, I'll be safe and secure while eating those PBJs!
-I have a strange voyeur thing about being in other people's houses. I don't know why, but it's always made trysts more fun for me when I feel like I'm being naughty in someone else's space....
Again, I don't mean to be talking out of school here, but it really comes down to the girl and what their motivations/concerns are. And, frankly, the logistics of their situation.
Outcalls are fine for many providers, but I would NEVER go to a client's personal home. That's simply asking for so many things to happen, like the wife coming home from her "supposed trip" to catch him fking a prostitute. If you drive over there, he has your real name from your License Plate too.
I find nothing erotic about fkin a married man in his wife's bed...in fact, I find it downright rude bwahahhaa.
Now a married woman, on the other hand.....
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-Ask her to join in?
-Park 5-6 blocks away and walk. Decline any offers of parking spaces. Take the long way back to the car.
Why would I go through all that for the same amount of money I can make by driving 5 min. to an incall that I KNOW is not wired with cameras, no one is hiding in the closet, and I know where all the weapons are? Park 6 blocks away and walk alone at NIGHT with a wad of cash? Again, no.
I know you're being coy, but you are seriously dismissing some things that have happened to many providers doing this...personal friend told me a really nice story about the wife coming home, her running out naked too frantic to get her purse or money, and I won't go into all the rest.
If his wife is into her man banging a hooker in his bed, he would not be doing it behind her back. I will leave you with a few words..guns, assault, rape, cameras, another person there, and not a damn thing you can do about it until AFTER. I find nothing "erotic" about any of the above
And all are possible in vanilla life as well. Those things are certainly not unique to the hobby. Yes, providers may be more likely to be exposed to those situations. But there is danger involved in any private encounter with a person one does not know, regardless of the mechanism by which the two people met.
But this discussion is exactly why there are multiple views on incall vs. outcall - everyone has their comfort level, and gets to made their decisions accordingly. 
Jenn
You mean the ladies in this business register cars in their real names? I think I just found a niche in which to be useful.
I find nothing erotic about fkin a married man in his wife's bed...in fact, I find it downright rude bwahahhaa.
I only do incalls (at hotel, not at my house) ever so often or if I am touring. Otherwise outcall only. I love driving and for the most part it is always quick and easy to get to where I need to go. Plus listening to music on the way relaxes me.
I'm a stickler for quality hotels (I pretty much stick to Embassy Suites whenever possible), and those cost a pretty penny when you're as low-volume as I am. The profit margin can be REALLY low when you book your incall per client. When I'm traveling it doesn't make as much of a difference, but when I'm in Cincy I get killed on those hotel prices (plus it's SUPER awkward when the dude at the front desk ends up being a guy I used to hang out with when I was like 19-20).
The other thing is usually when I get outcall requests to hotels that are within a 3mi radius of my home. It's way less hassle and the cost of gas is insignificant.
you are lucky that most of your outcalls are so close to home.
I've seen provide websites where they post different rates according to the towns in their region.
For example, A DC based provider may have a rate for BWI-airport, another for Baltimore City, Tysons\s corner, etc.
the classic design is a square where anyone can watch people go into various rooms on whatever floor. I wonder why so many different men are going into that room on the 5th floor in the corner?
Our Embassy is not like that. It is actually 3 separate buildings. Super cute for New Orleans anyway, but I paid like 300 and 33 a car for valet. I could get much cheaper and a higher star rating, other places.
To me once you get past logistical issues, the incall vs. outcall question comes down to who should feel comfortable? The client or the provider? Several ladies have done a good job of outlining the concerns providers have with outcall. What's unsaid is that many of the same issues apply to clients when going to an incall location for the first time. I'm venturing into a neighborhood I likely don't know, a house/apt. with an unknown number of people inside and at least one person there expects a man carrying cash. Hence it doesn't take much to imagine plenty of bad scenarios. The first time going to an incall location always reminds me of these lines from the Miami Vice movie:
Det. James 'Sonny' Crockett: [while walking through an alley under heavy guard] Why do I get the feeling everyone knows we're here 15 blocks out?
Det. Ricardo Tubbs: 'Cause everyone knows we're here 15 blocks out.