I understand why a Provider might prefer email as a means of correspondence, particularly when hearing from an unknown (to them) hobbyist.  But what I don't get is this...

Why would any Hobbyist prefer emailing a Provider that they don't already have a working relationship with, instead of calling them from their cell?  Aren't you concerned they may be LE and you're providing them with a written transcript of your correspondence?  Even if you don't write anything explicit, this just seems way riskier to me than calling on the phone.  Especially because you can get a prepaid hobby phone with a bogus name, but if I'm not mistaken, even a hobby email addy can be traced back to your IP address.

I ask because I've read here that some Hobbyists prefer emailing over calling, but they didn't elaborate as to why.  I'm new, so forgive my ignorance, but I just don't see any upside to emailing from a Hobbyist's point of view, and I see a lot of potential downside, relative to the safer option of making a call from an untraceable phone.  Please explain.  Thanks.

If there is a provider you want to contact who has lots of TER reviews, there's no need to worry about contacting them by e-mail because your are dealing with a legitimate provider.  Many times it's just much easier to use e-mail and the providers prefer it at first.  If the reviews are out there, you don't have to fear e-mail.  If there're no reviews, I wouldn't even think about contacting that person.

#1:  Convenience.  I can send the e-mail when I only have a few minutes, but not enough time for an extended phone call.

#2:  If it turns out I contacted someone off the deep end (rare but it has happened) it's easier and less trouble to ignore her e-mails than ignore her phone calls.

There is nothing impropper at all in my e-mails, so my concerns are not LE but how she might respond.

I hear what you're sayin' songwrite15, but emails can last a very, very, very long time.  Forever, really.  What if a well-reviewed provider gets busted some day, and her computer is confiscated by LE?  Or, what if some day down the road she willingly cooperates with LE, and turns over her clients' emails?  I bet it's happened.

I just don't see why anyone would EVER send an email to a provider, no matter how well she is reviewed.

Am I being too paranoid here?

Better to call and make the appointment.  Not so, though, if you wish to see an indie.  Many of those ladies prefer initial contact by e-mail, and most will not answer calls from dudes they don't know, so you'll have to leave a VM and wait until they return the call.  If the lady you are considering contacting already has a track record of good reviews over a reasonable period of time, the chances that you will be falling into a LE trap are practically nil.  Also, I like to make as good an impression as possible with the lady I am contacting, and e-mailing is preferable to being, or sounding, nervous on the phone.  Additionally, if you are using a hobby phone under a bogus name, or are blocking the number, many ladies will just not respond to your call.

a recorded phone conversation is pretty good evidence too...

there is also some ability to deny that you wrote an email, it came from your account, maybe your IP...but prove it was you at the computer...


Now, your voice on a recording of a phone call...
I guess you could claim Rich Little made the call...

Your problem isn't the call or the email, it is showing up for the appointment...
you can't be busted for making a phone call or for writing an email...
LE isn't going to subpoena the records from you ISP to find out who had that IP at that date and time, then put out an APB for you over an email...

They'll bust you when you go to the room, and they will do that whether you made contact through email or phone...transcript or no.

unless Matt Clark is your actual name...
then LE doesn't need to subpoena anything and they already have a APB out for you.

I prefer e-mail for the exact reason the OP is proposing, fear (minor) of LE...first, if LE is on the phone they can stear the conversation in a certain direction and I may say something unadvisable...in e-mail I am in control of what communications get out, I can edit/delete/etc...before sending.  By the way there is a very simple way to hide your IP...use a proxy server site.  I do that from home already because of a different reason but my IP is blind to anyone receiving it.

With that said, nothing is incriminating in my e-mails.  Lastly, depending on where you live, if prostitution or solicitation is a misdemeaner the LE needs to witness the act to make an arrest.

I perfer to e-mail well reviewed providers because we don't both need to mesh our schedules to exchange basic information.  If I call & she's not available at that moment (I'm not so foolish as to believe she's sitting there doing nothing waiting for a call from a guy she doesn't know) then I leave a VM, sometime later she calls back but I've shut off my phone as the rest of the family is due home, or my lunch break is over.  
Once the discreet prelim is out of the way, a phone call is best to set a time & I give her my hobby number so she can link the incoming call with the e-mail.
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I'm trying to be helpful.

Again, you are wasting your time asking about scenarios.

There is so much good advice on what to do TO AVOID  getting in trouble. Read it. Learn it. Follow it.

There is an actual BEST PRACTICES available to you that covers all the scenarios. Stop second guessing it. Stop posing "what ifs." You are just confusing the matter.

Here is how I might summarize it.

Stay THE FUCK of CL/BP for unreviewed ladies. You're a noob? LISTEN TO YOUR FUCKIN' ELDERS! You need to learn the ropes before you start venturing out past the tried-and-true safe methods

--Stick with reviewed Ladies.
--Pick the lady you want BY STUDYING the reviews.
--Get screened to be able to book.
--Only communicate about appointment time and session length.
--Go to the session--DONT TALK ABOUT SEX AND MONEY-- and have fun.
--Repeat

When you are having fun you can talk about sex all you want.

As far as all the "LE questions", do you think you are going to find much real knowledge here?

With all due respect to the experienced guys and all the good advice they give... I doubt that there are more than on or two on the board who have ever worked with LE or directly witness LE behind the scenes in some manner and have first hand knowledge of their undercover processes.

TAKE the advice on how to be safe and go get laid.



HalfHour

Yeah, I agree with that. Very rarely have I had a lady pick up right when I call; I usually have to leave a voice mail (if the mailbox isn't full). That's probably just as "bad" (in your mind) as an email record.

Also, I don't always arrange appointments while I'm in a situation where I can talk (i.e., at the office). It's much more discreet to get on my personal laptop (with wireless broadband), log onto my hobby email address (with no connection to my real name / life) and fire off an email to see what my new obsession's availability might be.

Even if "LE" were to intercept / read my email...they have no clue who I am.

Email rocks.

You do NOT - I repeat - do NOT have to stay off CL or BP.  It all depends on your area.  Since I don't know where you are, I can't speak for your area, but here in Eugene / Springfield (Oregon), CL and BP are the life-lines of most of us. I've gotten terrific gentlemen from both ads.  So, to reiterate, you do NOT have to avoid CL or BP.

That said, you DO have to pay attention to the ads and the responses you get from the ladies on CL and BP.  Some of them are ROBs; most are not.  But then, some CLIENTS pull the same stunts.  So, you see, it's a mutual trust issue.

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it: What DOESN'T work EAST of the Mississippi often DOES work WEST of it, and usually what works east doesn't work west.  

Sheesh; give the CL/BP debate a rest!  

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Mainly, prepaid phones only show the number. Unless you get permission to put your client's name and number in your contacts part, the numbers mean nothing. Also, after a bit, you need to clear out the various calls "boxes" (recent calls, missed calls, etc.) or you'll lose the most recent incoming!

I am the opposite of many I feel like if you're not a socially inept individual what's the problem with calling me first. Unless you sound like peewee herman or something (insert humor here). I only care for confirming and keeping in touch a bit if the appt is made in advance of the phone I try to avoid going into detail about acts on the phone or email.

This is not a CL/BP debate.

You're on one side of the transaction and in that YOU ARE the expert, and I don't know shit about if first hand. I'm on the other side of the transaction and in that...

The context of my comments here is the overall recommended, best practices for the INEXPERIENCED GUY, with safety from LE being highest priority.

You are being selfserving and giving poor and dangerous advice to A NEWBIE, who likely has little or no street smarts, by recommending BD/CL. Bad kitty! Bad! Bad! lol!

Let me be absolutely clear about this:

I, HalfHour, am the unofficial spokesman for, and completely endorse with 90% of my hobby dollars, finding fantastic female playmates on BP/CL. Like yourself!

Read my posts. I am a notorious fucker of the unreviewed providers on BP/CL. I champion their cause.

But I am not going to recommend it to a noob anymore that I would recommend he saunter his cracker ass into a hip-hop club on the southside or a biker bar that doesn't have a NO COLORS sign on the door. Not prudent. Not gonna do it.

Once a fellow has gotten into the hobby via the 'safest' means, gets a few ladies under his belt (pun intended) and gets a feel for things, no one will be more ready that ol' HalfHour to show him how far he can really go with his hobby dollar.

One thing I cannot comment on, but suspect you are right on the mark, if the diffence in east coast / west coast. My HOBBY experience is in the WEST, so maybe what I know is less applicable elsewhere.

But I know one thing:  BP/CL are the darlings of the undercover vicecops all over the US. And we are talking LE safety for the noob righ now.

The TRUTH about BP/CL shall be told!

HalfHour