greetings, I am a new hobbyist and brand new to this board.  

I had two excellent encounters with an agency in manhattan, but I am not having good luck with independents.   fake pics, lateness, bad attitude, all that.  but the worst thing was a recent incedent in which everything started off good but a few minutes in the girl suddenely became hostile and abusive and threw me out.  I don't understand why. but there was another incident with a simlar issue, so I am starting to see a pattern.

I am a middle aged white man, sweet, gentle and polite. ok looking, always clean hygeine,  and I bring enough money plus a little extra.  I am very affectionate and I seek GFE with lots of kissing. I always respect a girls rules/boundaries. if she says no to this or that, I always comply.   I have one problem in that I am prone to PE and have to go very slow and gentle or else I will pop too soon. I require that the girl respect this and cooperate, and I especially I do not like it when girls grab and yank at my cock.

generally when the providers were cooperative there were no problems and I was able to fuck all the way through and pop when I was good and ready. but I had one incedent in I was so aroused that I popped almost immediatly, and in the middle of ejaculation she suddenly became hostile. she pulled off of me, not even letting me finish inside her.  she threw me out, even though I still had 25 min on the clock.  she said you came, your'e done,  that's the rules. rules? what rules?  I thought the rule is I paid for 30 min I get 30 min.

then I had another encounter with a girl who I really liked.  everything was good at first, we were going nice and slow, but a few minutes in I could feel a pop coming on and told her I had to stop a minute or else I would pop too soon. instead of cooperating, she suddendly became impatient, hostile and sexually aggressive, and basically forced an early ejaculation out of me. I was pleading STOP! STOP! STOP! and she just went on doing it.  Now, if a man did that to a woman he'd be in jail for rape.  so wtf was that all about?   and just like the previous girl, in the middle of ejaculation she pulled off of me and left me hanging.  it was a horrible experience.  and like the other one, she went from being super nice to psycho bitch and threw me out.  

so I ask you ladies, why do you treat a  sweet and gentle man like a piece of garbage simply because he has PE issue?  ejaculation does not mean that you have succesfully rendered services.  I want to pay money to enjoy a good time with a beautiful woman who will treat me right.  how is it that these girls demand money in advance, and once paid, become unpredictable, mean, abusive or outright psycho?

Select from ladies with excellent reviews. There are women at almost every price point you can trust to treat you respectfully.

Second, think about looking into more mature ladies. Women with more experience and empathy tend to be more forgiving of performance issues and will work with you kindly, not impatiently.

What you describe shouldn't be so difficult. I have several clients with quick triggers, and I know when to back off so they can last as long as they wish.

I am sorry, but I can't possibly see why someone would throw a guy out for NO reason at all. Did you start discussing services or not put down the donation? I can't really say why you're not having luck, but it might be where you are shopping. Try and look for women who rate highly overall, and have not a single review for being flaky or being a no show. I also don't know what you are saying in your emails before you meet these women, so again...a lot could be going on you're not even realizing. Providers get spooked for all sorts of reasons, and you only have one review. They may decide to see you, then freak out after the fact. Who knows really, but start being more choosy in your companions. If you are dealing with fake photos, me thinks you're not going for women with a review history.

You also need to look for MSOG providers so even if you do go early, you can go again and again in the time you paid for. Tell them upfront, you want to take things slow and back them off accordingly. The only providers who would have an issue with making it last, are those who want to get it over with so they can move on to the next client. Most gfe providers don't book more than 1 or 2 guys on any given day if their rates are right, so make sure you see providers for at least an hour. Those offering 15 min. sessions are not worried about much else.

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As many have said, you usually get what you pay for.....and often times you don't get much when you buy 30 minutes.  If you don't have VIP membership here, get it.  

I am new to this as well and what you write here gives me a sneaking suspicion that you are seeing providers without reviews.  Cuz if they are doing that to you, they are likely doing it to someone else and that information should eventually show up in a review.  

My hunch says you should look at 60 minute appointments at a decent price point (and with a well reviewed provider).

Best to state UPFRONT your PE issue and see if she will work with you.

Perhaps she will do two pops instead of one.  Or perhaps she will just tease you until you are ready to come.

It all depends on the provider, but communication is key.

It's not an indie thing.  I suspect it's a COMMUNICATION thing.

>>> I am sorry, but I can't possibly see why someone would throw a guy out for NO reason at all.

Hi london -  I can't either. I thought perhaps it has to do with providers attitudes towards a man with a performance problem.  like she is expecting me to rock her world and gets pissed off at me when I can't. I certainly would like to rock her world but I as a paying client I don't believe I am under any obligation to do so, rather, I thought the agreement was that am hiring her to rock my world.


>> Did you start discussing services or not put down the donation?

yes I discussed services and yes I put down donation. the only issue there is, I did not want to commit to a specific amount of time, but rather opt for their advertised 15 or 30 min offerings,  see how it goes, and if things were going good, would put down more money for the full hour.  I showed them my money and always had more then enough for an hour. I dont think this is unreasonable request but the aformentioned women found this to be insulting. however, I was with 2 independents who were Ok with it, and they provided good service and I happily paid for extended time.  


>> I also don't know what you are saying in your emails before you meet these women,

no emails, only calls. I ask how much is donation, where are you and how late are you up. I mention that I want GFE and they always *say* they do that. I also ask if they are flexible with time, half hour or 90 min.  pretty basic stuff.


what is MSOG?

>> Tell them upfront, you want to take things slow and back them off accordingly.

yes I usually do, but maybe I should make sure she understands fully before putting down donation.


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That's the problem lol. If she offers 15 min. sessions, that is one thing, but if you go to an hourly escort and offer to only pay for 15 min. you're lucky you did not get your ass kicked lol. Not trying to be mean because you're a newbie, but don't try that crap in New Orleans lol. You simply can't do that. You agree to HER time minimum when you BOOK the appt. The other stuff, don't know, but you made a huge mistake.

It is not up to you to decide what you're going to pay for AFTER you get there...that is LE talk, so no wonder they were pissed and made you leave. It is not her fault you did not do your homework. If you don't trust her..don't see her period!

Any reputable provider is NOT going to blow you for 20 min. and then wait for the rest of the money lol. Really? Sorry babe, but that's not how this works. You either walk out, or pay the rate all up front...no negotiation. The providers who allowed you to do that, needed the money. The ones who told you to fk off, obviously did not.





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sorry in my last reply when I wrote "I did not want to pay for a whole hour up front with a new provider"  it made it look like they offered 1-hr minimums. my bad. (I have since edited for clarity)

both problem girls in fact offered 15/30/60 min options, and when they asked me how much time I wanted I let them know over the phone that I wanted some flexibility in that regards.  They did not object, however,  upon arrival both of them made me commit to a time, and in both cases I paid for 30 minutes, in advance.  as for the two that weren't a problem, I paid up front for the short time (one was 15 and the other was 30) and when the time ran out, I paid more, we resumed and there were no problems.  

some additional details:

the first problem one made me wait for over an hour, and when I finally got to see her she said I had to hurry because her BF was coming. so an hour wasn't an option anyway.

the second problem girl double-booked. details about this in my review (kelly/sunflower) . so again, even though I paid for 30 min, she rushed me and I didnt even have 10 minutes of play time.

so in both cases I was rushed due to issues that were of their doing, not mine.

I'm not aware of what lingo LE uses but I was never suspected of being one.  

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All these extra items, are what is confusing. Look for providers who offer all inclusive GFE, and don't discuss anything on the phone or in person. Lemme guess...backpage? Most providers I know don't even give you a number until after you're verified, so that could also be an issue. Try and find a provider who at least has an email that you can contact her from, and get it straight there without being explicit. Once you arrive, you should not be negotiating time and fees..that should be decided before you ever get there, and the correct amount should be in an envelope. It really does not sound like you're dealing with professionals who know what they are doing. No woman in her right mind should be asking, "So, how much time you want big boy" after you are already there. That is just tacky.



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>>>> and don't discuss anything on the phone or in person.

wait. don't discuss?

>>>> Lemme guess...backpage?

yes

>>> Most providers I know don't even give you a number until after you're verified, so that could also be an issue.

nope. different market. they all post their numbers on BP.  

>>> Once you arrive, you should not be negotiating time and fees.. that should be decided before you ever get there, and the correct amount should be in an envelope.

what your saying is, requesting flexibily with time is an inconvenience for her and can mess up her schedule.  I totally understand that. but making an hour commitment with someone I don't know and who may or may not work out is not a financial risk that I can't afford, and these girls do not give money back guarantees.  and also these girls do not seem to have a problem with messing up my schedule, wasting my time with fake photos, or being over an hour late etc. so yeah if I was in your high end market with reputable girls yes I would do it the way you say.

And London's advice, I see that you are not really getting it. You do not discuss sexual service over the phone with a REPUTABLE provider. If you tried that you would be hung up on. You are getting what you paid for from BP. 15  to 30 minute ladies work a tad differently. If you want GFE then you have to commit to a time frame and not try and negotiate when you get there.

If you do your homework and check out her reviews etc, there should be no problem committing to whatever time frame. But then again, it does not seem like you are doing any homework, or you are somehow pissing these ladies off...you are the common denominator here. If it was just one lady I'd be more than likely to give you the benefit of the doubt but it's not just one.

And we are hearing just your version of the scenario...we might hear a different story from the ladies you have seen. Two random ladies getting pissed off at you...hmmmmm makes me wonder what you are doing or saying here chief.

yes Saturnsky, which is exactly why I am posting here asking for advice. I certainly don't want to piss anyone off.  I have posted ALL the facts out here on the table for your analysis.  and I don't have problems with all women.  there were some good encounters too.   as a newbie I have been learning by trial and error that trawling BP is a real gamble.   my specific issue with these two was because of how these girls reacted to me during the sex. it seemed that they resented me because of my sexual behavior, not over any money or sheduling issues.

what both of these girls had in common was that there were scheduling conflicts not of my doing.  one wanted me to hurry because her BF was coming (never mind that she made me wait in the parkign lot for over an hour)  the other one was on time, but she double-booked.  so, even though I piad for 1/2 an hour with both of them, I think the hostility may have been because they both wanted to rush me through, whereas I wanted to get my full un-rushed 30 minutes worth. Does that make sense?  and also the second one calmed down and was even somewhat apoligetic for her behavior, so what you are suggesting about my conduct doesnt add up.  

after reading all of your responses, I think the real issue was that both of these girls had conflicts of interest.   that being said, I think my only error was in paying them for 30 minutes. I should have opted for the 15 min quickie or just walked away. what do you think?  

providers and talking about sex acts for money, you won't be around this board very long. I don't care who a provider is...NO ONE wants to be grilled about time when you arrive. You don't have to make an hour commitment, but you DO have to decide what you want BEFORE you get there...simple.

It sounds like you are waiting to see what she looks like before you commit to a time frame? Sorry, does not work that way. Go in with the 15 min. deal, and then ask for another appt. later if you like her or if you can extend.

You are trying to justify what you're doing, by blaming the low class providers..duh, that's how low rent girls operate lol. If you can't afford to even pay for an hour, you will keep running into the same things. It is not the provider's fault that YOU can't afford to play here. You can't say, "Oh, if I were in your high end market, I might do what you say." Honey, women who charge 150 still expect guys to have common sense lol.  There are very FEW attractive, professional escorts who offer less than an hour, but we do have a few right on TER. This is where you should look FIRST!

I said don't discuss sex acts over the phone, but time is ok. You can very well say I only want 15-30 min. on the phone and have that amount put aside when you get there. DON"T book an hour, and then change it up when you get there. That is the problem. You need to know before what you want, and she needs to agree to it as well.



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>> If you keep fkin with BP providers and talking about sex acts for money, you won't be around this board very long.

oh? I thought that was what this forum was for. have I violated TOS?

>>> It sounds like you are waiting to see what she looks like before you commit to a time frame?

no, not waiting to see what she looks like. if she posted fake pics and I dont like what I see I have the right to refuse service and walk out.   No,  I am wanting to see how she treats me due to the prior bad experiences. I dont trust them.  

>>> Go in with the 15 min. deal, and then ask for another appt. later if you like her or if you can extend.

ok. that would seem the logical way to go. if she has time to extend, great, but if not, I just have to work with that.  good?  

>>> duh, that's how low rent girls operate lol.

so I see.

>>> If you can't afford to even pay for an hour,

why do you keep accusing me of bein' some kind of cheapskate?    I am happy to pay for a girl who treats me right.  I stated that in the original post. what I can't afford is to throw money away on girls who rush me, treat me badly, and don't honor their time commitments.  

>>> women who charge 150 still expect guys to have common sense lol.

well herein lies the problem.  "common sense" isn't "common" if all parties involved are not hip to it. obvioulsy as a newbie I there are all these new protocols that everyone else "just knows" and I do not.  that is why I am running into trouble and asking for help.  

>>> DON'T book an hour, and then change it up when you get there. That is the problem.

no, it isn't. I don't do that. you have this idea that it's me who is breaking contract.  it's the other way 'round.   we make an agreement, and once paid, they become unpredictable.  as for phone sheduling, I ask for flexibilty and an option to extend up to an hour if things work out.  they agreed, but upon arrival these two didn't seem to be interested in any extensions of time let alone honoring even their own minimum times.  is it wrong to ask for flexibilty?  (yes that is a real question, remember I do not have your  "common sense")

What about your sexual behavior do you feel set them off?

And those scheduling issues...that's what is quite common from BP. It's a more volume for lower pricing scenario and rushing is not uncommon.

If you are quick off the mark and all you want is a quick orgasm,, take the 15 and then leave.

because of the providers you are seeking out. If I said you can't afford an hour, it was because you stated that you could not afford to risk that on some girl you did not know...that tells me, you don't exactly have an hourly rate each time you choose to see a provider. What we are trying to tell you, is that you will KEEP getting what you pay for. You are being given advice, and don't seem to want to understand how certain things work with providers in different markets.

Your tactics will ONLY allow you to see women who are not all that professional, and you seem to be surprised at that. Though there are a few reputable providers on TER who offer half hours, they are rather easy to find, have reviews, and would not pull the crap you spoke of, or their reviews would reflect that. You are dealing with a group of providers who are most commonly known as PIMPED, and that is a very scary thing. No one I know offers 15 minute sessions unless there is a reason, and that reason is generally not good.

Again, best of luck. Hopefully, your next review will be at least a 6.

>>> What about your sexual behavior do you feel set them off?

that is indeed the question.  I don't know.   it seemed with the first one, when I accidently popped early, her behavior was as if a guy who pops too soon is repulsive and gross.   she was super nice up until that point. but the way she treated me after you would think I slapped her.  why was she so mean to me?  

with the second one, she had a scheduling conflict. that was entirely her fault.  I tried to take it slow and get my full 30 min worth (that I paid for in full) but she wasn't having it.  I wanted to make love and enjoy her, and she just wanted me to f*ck and go.

>> If you are quick off the mark and all you want is a quick orgasm,, take the 15 and then leave.

I dont want a quick orgasm. I can do that at home for free lol.  I want GFE and I want it to last as long as I can physically handle.   the good providers I hired were fine with this.   the bad ones all SAID they provide GFE, but once they got my money it was a different story.

>> You are dealing with a group of providers who are most commonly known as PIMPED, and that is a very scary thing.

yikes! thank you!

if you do then that's fine. However, many escorts might not consider that time frame , or the 30 minute long enough to provide a good GFE. It's more of a 3g or a blow and go experience.

If quickness is your deal , then communicate this to her...and seriously, you might consider finding your women from other avenues.

Advice...do some homework and find a lady on here or one that is reputable in your area. Book a time frame and stick to it. Being flexible might work but some of us have tight schedules...for example, I have another rather demanding job and sometimes can't extend. She will let you know if extending is possible if you mention that upfront. However, don't make it sound like you are testing the water and will extend if you feel she deserves it...not a great way to set the mood.

You say you don't trust escorts...okay but walking into the next appointment with that mindset is really only setting yourself up for disappointment. You will more than likely focus on the negative and miss out on the positive. Your body language and demeanor will show through, believe me.



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I still can't figure them out. Even with the cut and dried rules of P4P, they still manage to confound me with their behavior.