So you see an advertisement for an escort. The advertisement shows some of her body with her face either not shown or disguised, which seems to be pretty prevalent. You wish to employ the escort. After speaking with her and before you make arrangements to meet, does she provide face photos of herself? Or, do you just hope that when you meet and pay $500 to $800 that she will look like someone you want to make love to? For a few of us guys a girl's face is at least 50% or more of the attraction . Unless you're a dog and just want to jump on anything for a few minutes and then leave, the entire package is very important to you especially if you're laying out a lot of money. So tell me, how many of you guys see the girl's face for the first time in her residence or in your hotel room, and after you have booked the meeting? I have seen a few reviews that stated a disappointment when you see the girl up close and personal for the first time. Which tells me that you either never knew what she looked like to begin with or it was a bait and switch. At least with a bait and switch you can probably cancel the meeting based upon that.
Those times are when a trusted hobby guy or gal recommends someone to me. I'm not gonna shell out the big bucks if I don't have a pretty good idea of what she looks like. If I'm not physically attracted to her, I'm probably not going to be interested in seeing her anyway. I'd say, so far I've been pretty lucky not to have any huge disappointments in the looks department.
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She would be foolish to send face pics to anyone might want to see her. As soon as she sends a pic she loses control of it and has no idea what you will use it for.
The only times I have seen a provider's face before meeting was when I was just getting started in P4P and that is the only time in my career that I have ever been disappointed in the quality of the experience. Now when I have researched someone to the point that I want to meet her, I have no doubt that she will live up to my expectations.
If the lady is reputable (consistent good reviews) and you do your research, the overwhelming chance is that you will be pleased. That has been my consistent experience.
These ladies are in a profession where the customer (you/me/the rest) is primarily visual. They do not command a certain price for long unless they warrant it.
That being said, should you start (you are posting on the Newbie board, right) at the higher range that you mention? It's your money and it depends on where you play (Dubai?) but even in the greatest city in the world (NYC) you can do extremely well at 5C.
For those of us who don't show our faces (or other identifying stuff), it's to protect our privacy. If I were to send a photo of my face to a potential client, I'd have no way of knowing or controlling what he'd do with that photo.
There's no way to guarantee that you'll like a chick's face if she obscures it in her advertising photos. Your options are A) see ladies who do show their faces, or B) trust reviews. If she consistently gets high marks for appearance, chances are she doesn't have a fucked up mug.
Just a friendly tip: don't ask girls who obscure their faces to send you photos. It pisses us off. ![]()
I have a life and like you, I keep this part of my life private.
If one were to have a concern about my face -- read a few of my reviews and you can see all is good in that department. No complaints.
If you want to see an escort with her face posted, call her.
It pisses me off when one asks for face photos. If I wanted the world to see my face, I would have posted face photos from the get-go.
There's no way to guarantee that you'll like a chick's face if she obscures it in her advertising photos. Your options are A) see ladies who do show their faces, or B) trust reviews. If she consistently gets high marks for appearance, chances are she doesn't have a fucked up mug.
Just a friendly tip: don't ask girls who obscure their faces to send you photos. It pisses us off.
Do your research and don't rush to see your first. Reviews! Reviews! Reviews! When multiple reviews give her high ratings chances are you won't be disappointed.
I'm a face guy, for sure. Sometimes, you just have to take a chance. I have sometimes been disappointed by own expectations. Which brings me to types of disappointment.
From body, hair and other pics, I sometimes complete the picture in my own mind and go expecting a certain look. No matter how pretty she is, I might be disappointed. Even tho' she's a 9 or 8, my brain registers a 7 or 6 because it was expecting a "circle" and it got an "oval".
Then there's the very subjective aspect of pretty faces. Even if everything is perfect (complexion, symmetry, etc.) one person doesn't like the pointy chin with the round eyes and nose shape but to another person, that's the perfect combination. One man's 10 is another man's 6. You can PM reviewers and ask if she's pretty, but personal preference might skew the meaningfulness of their answer.
Then there's the short term aspect of faces. A beautiful face that everyone reviews as tops in the midst of an acne flareup can come across as a 2. I've been there. Underneath the flareup, I could see she was pretty but I got the 2, not the 10.
Then there's a long term aspect of faces. Basically, everything says you're meeting a 25ish hostess and the wrinkles and other conditions tell a different story. Once again: if I think I'm meeting a 25, I'm expecting 25-30, not 65. (Whew! I had one of those!) If I'm going to meet a 40-45, then I'm expecting a few lines and not bothered by it.
I have never asked for and wouldn't expect a recent pic (cell phone pic). Once out there, she has lost control the pic is lost forever.
Celebrity look-alikes can sometimes be a guide, if they are honest and accurate. If she truly does have a look-alike, she's been hearing about for years, so a quick response is more believable than a slow one, a sign that she has to think about it and probably doesn't look like famous celeb.
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that if you're thinking about spending $500 to $800 for a gal, she'll be reviewed. I also hope that if she's at that price range, she'll be reviewed. If she's butt ugly, has some sort of disfigurement, etc, it would have been mentioned. Sadly, there's no way to know you'll find her attractive until you actually see her. What is good looking to one man, is not necessarily good looking to another.
For myself I don't seek out escorts that charge $500 to $800 for an hour. Out of my price range. I was simply making a point and used the higher end figures as it would seem absurd to make the point based upon a $100 to $150 per hour escort. Just because an escort is well reviewed does not mean that I personally would like her looks. If I were paying the high end fee and was not satisfied with her looks when she arrived, then that would be a turn off for me. I don't care how great a body she has if her face does not interest me. As I stated, I'm not a dog who's sole purpose in sex is to mount, do it's thing, and dismount. I have actually seen many good reviews on TER for girls that I would never be interested in simply because her look was not my type, whether she was pretty or not. Pretty is subjective. One man's pretty is another man's forget it.
Possibly I am not the type of person to engage an escort as I actually have to feel strongly about any person that I have relations with (returning to the dog scenario for clarification). Maybe there are a lot of guys out there who's sole interest is to have sex, regardless, and with whom is not really that important. With me sex without some degree of romance and caring is patently redundant. Could be that I should just go to places, like clubs and bars, where people go to meet others. I don't know.
...that P4P is not for you. You make up questions and ask for advice only to come back and say all the good advice and opinions you get are wrong or don't apply to you. It may be time for you to find a different hobby, try knitting or maybe if you take up sculpting you can create your own perfect woman because it sounds like the only way she will exist is if you make her yourself.
...trolling us. I hate to say this on the newbie board, but this guy's been "waffling" for a few months now. I'm calling troll, mean as it sounds. The number of DNS lists he's on by this point is probably well into double digits.
If you really have to feel strongly about anyone you fuck, TER isn't for you
Possibly I am not the type of person to engage an escort as I actually have to feel strongly about any person that I have relations with (returning to the dog scenario for clarification). Maybe there are a lot of guys out there who's sole interest is to have sex, regardless, and with whom is not really that important. With me sex without some degree of romance and caring is patently redundant. Could be that I should just go to places, like clubs and bars, where people go to meet others. I don't know.
You asked a question and several people (myself included) took the time to give you some helpful responses that are coming from experienced perspectives. So far, every time you've asked a question here, you've become argumentative and snarky whenever people give you answers. The appropriate response to people here giving you valuable information is "thank you," not a bunch of argument and insinuations about the people here. That's quite rude.
If you want advice on how to best navigate the P4P world, great. If you want guaranteed physical attraction and romantic relationships, you've come to the wrong place.
Sorry, my friend, but I did ask a legitimate question. And, that was, why someone would put out a great deal of money to employ an escort where they have never seen her face. An escort is selling a product, just like any other product. I was not talking about inexpensive escorts. I was talking about high end escorts. Maybe you have $500 to $800 burning a hole in your pocket to give to someone who you've never even seen the face of. The way I look at it, if these escorts want to remain anonymous they are in the wrong business. Since a girl's face has a lot to do with how some men feel sexually toward her, at least where I come from, then would it not be too much of a stretch to assume that a man would want to know what she looks like and not just what her body looks like before booking her? That is all I am saying. It's not arguing with anyone or insinuation. It's trying to determine a specific reason for why a certain thing is done. Many men may also be able to separate the sexual act from romance, which is the artistic side of our souls. I cannot and I'm quite sure many men cannot. Any animal can have sex. There is no romance in the animal kingdom. However, it still does exist in the humane kingdom and it's what separates us from the beasts.
Yes, there were people who did their best to respond comprehensively, on this subjesct and on others. I do appreciate that and wish to thank them accordingly. However, I will not back down or go and sulk because people are irritated at what I write and that I will not accept the standard line of "that's the way it is and if you don't like it you should find something else to do". Maybe I should find something else to do and that will be my decision. Until then I will continue to bring up legitimate questions.
If you want advice on how to best navigate the P4P world, great. If you want guaranteed physical attraction and romantic relationships, you've come to the wrong place.
Your little shtick will play better on the GD board.
Except more so because there are no constraints on the GD board. His last post was 5/4. I'm starting to wonder if he's an alt account for one of the regulars.
And a very simple answer. Those men who do that( shell out a good amount of money to visit hookers who hide their identity from public view) seem quite comfortable with it or they would only see hookers who show their faces.
You do not and a few have suggested you see only hookers who show their faces.
What others do should be of NO concern of yours. Why is it so important you know the whys and wherefores of what other guys do in this situation? Do what you need to do and let others do what they need to do. Questioning that clearly seems a moot point unless you get the answers you want and you'r not.
Yes, there are some who also have products you may purchase (videos, photos, lube, panties, etc) but when you engage an hour or more of a provider's time you are paying for her services, not just a specified amount of time during which you use her body as you so choose. Yes, there are ladies who DO offer that (look hard enough and you WILL find someone offering anything you could possibly imagine).... but that does not seem to be the norm.
It's that simple. Easy answer.
You're the one making it difficult.
Next.......
...This is an illegal activity. Even where it's legal in Nevada all the social stigma exists. This should be sufficient to explain why many ladies choose to cover or completely cut their head or face out of the photo.
Now as you have no doubt noticed some ladies do show their face. Some show a little but not all. Some none. Some only to trusted clients in members only sections of their site. It's all over the place. They like us (their clients) have evaluated the risk and taken what they deem appropriate measures to protect themselves.
Some mongers are willing to TOFTT (take one for the team) meaning see an unreviewed lady possibly with no photos or any other information. Some would never do that. Some see only independents. Some will only use agencies. Some only do in calls. Some only out calls. They have all evaluated the risk and are doing what is acceptable to them.
You have posted many times about the risk. How to not get caught, etc. You are still doing so. Seems to me you would understand about their choice to cover their face. They are exercising their right to choose the level of risk they find acceptable.
Many don't intend to be escorts for ever. ooops, their new boss just found a photo of them in an old escort ad. (or his wife and/or secretary or even worse her corporate competition) There goes that job and possibly any future one.
What about her family or kids. Yep they definitely need to see Mom's/daughter's/aunt's picture. ( We could of course get into a discussion of their decision to get into this activity but that's not this discussion and is frankly none of our business.)
Those that show their face have decided the repercussions of being found out hold no threat for them.
The others have determined the repercussions are a threat.
What do the mongers do about this. We decide what's acceptable to us and go with it. If the potential client isn't ok with not seeing her face he doesn't see those that don't show it. Others depend on the reviews of other mongers known to them that they can trust an see the provider based on that recommendation. Others depend on reviews without in other input. No matter what, nothing is 100% in this or any other part of life.
You can't possibly have missed all the posts by mongers about wanting, liking, seeking a connection. For you it isn't possible without seeing her face. I'd argue that but you want what you want so I won't bother. There is much more to a connection than the face and much of it can be found with due diligence in researching the lady. Reading reviews, PMing reviewers, reading her posts (if she participates), reading her web site, and paying attention to how others respond to her will give you valuable insight. The successful ladies know this and work hard at it, thus their success.
You have all the information you need to decide if you want to participate in this activity. You make the choices. All this discussion is just looking for a reason to leap or not. Like the kid who's afraid of jumping into the pool for the first time. He's stalling asking what if, what about, maybe this, maybe that...
This post is long enough I have more but I’m going to save it for another post of a more informational nature
Thank you, sir, for the straightforward answer to my questioning without any of the recriminations. The one reason that I do not frequent forums very much is that there are always people who somehow find it offensive if someone goes a little beyond their comfort zone. They get defensive and angry. Yes. I do ask a lot of questions and do present scenarios. If I am questioning something I either do not understand the reasoning for a particular thing or do not feel 100% comfortable with it. The LE aspect of the entire process has me very apprehensive although there are some people here who have told me, in a sense, not to worry about it. Even though I do understand the privacy reasons for an escort not showing her face in an advertisement, I don't understand why any man would hire an escort when he does not even know what she looks like. One would think that if you were willing to book and pay for an escort that she would at least email you her face photo before you meet. When you have family that you live with and care about there are so many things you have to worry about when straying from the base. There are probably plenty of single, separated, and divorced guys on this forum who really don't have a whole lot to lose if they get arrested or if someone finds out what they are doing with their free time. There are others, that may be married, but maybe don't care whether their wife knows. I would really like to have some extracurricular fun her in the United States where I live and not have to travel out of the country to find it. But, I have to be pretty certain that it will be a relatively safe and private venture. The only way that I can do that is to question and research opinions from people such as yourself. And, being called a troll by some on this forum is truly the sign of arrogance.
Now as you have no doubt noticed some ladies do show their face. Some show a little but not all. Some none. Some only to trusted clients in members only sections of their site. It's all over the place. They like us (their clients) have evaluated the risk and taken what they deem appropriate measures to protect themselves.
Some mongers are willing to TOFTT (take one for the team) meaning see an unreviewed lady possibly with no photos or any other information. Some would never do that. Some see only independents. Some will only use agencies. Some only do in calls. Some only out calls. They have all evaluated the risk and are doing what is acceptable to them.
You have posted many times about the risk. How to not get caught, etc. You are still doing so. Seems to me you would understand about their choice to cover their face. They are exercising their right to choose the level of risk they find acceptable.
Many don't intend to be escorts for ever. ooops, their new boss just found a photo of them in an old escort ad. (or his wife and/or secretary or even worse her corporate competition) There goes that job and possibly any future one.
What about her family or kids. Yep they definitely need to see Mom's/daughter's/aunt's picture. ( We could of course get into a discussion of their decision to get into this activity but that's not this discussion and is frankly none of our business.)
Those that show their face have decided the repercussions of being found out hold no threat for them.
The others have determined the repercussions are a threat.
What do the mongers do about this. We decide what's acceptable to us and go with it. If the potential client isn't ok with not seeing her face he doesn't see those that don't show it. Others depend on the reviews of other mongers known to them that they can trust an see the provider based on that recommendation. Others depend on reviews without in other input. No matter what, nothing is 100% in this or any other part of life.
You can't possibly have missed all the posts by mongers about wanting, liking, seeking a connection. For you it isn't possible without seeing her face. I'd argue that but you want what you want so I won't bother. There is much more to a connection than the face and much of it can be found with due diligence in researching the lady. Reading reviews, PMing reviewers, reading her posts (if she participates), reading her web site, and paying attention to how others respond to her will give you valuable insight. The successful ladies know this and work hard at it, thus their success.
You have all the information you need to decide if you want to participate in this activity. You make the choices. All this discussion is just looking for a reason to leap or not. Like the kid who's afraid of jumping into the pool for the first time. He's stalling asking what if, what about, maybe this, maybe that...
This post is long enough I have more but I’m going to save it for another post of a more informational nature.