lucky enough to stumble on a massage parlor but now i'm thinking I want more. I'm shy to ask for services beyond the HJ... Are these places the gateway to other girls/services? How do I swing it?

While you may be able to find the occasional exception, in general I have found that most masseuses/bodyrub providers do not give more than their session.  Occasionally you get the one who allows DATY or does oral, but if you ware looking for escort, then find an escort.

Besides, most masseuses/bodyrub girls that will go further generally charge exorbitant rates to do that.  From an economical point of view, finding an escort is probably your best bet.

Do yuo know many escorts give massages as well, just ask.  
look at their reviews, some are very good.

It will be easest if you can get 2 referals.  If you read reviews and websites, you'll see who requires them.
Also, it wouldn't hurt if you can get a review or two published on the individuals who gave you your massage.  Read rules for submitting reviews.

but, I have managed over the years to hook up with several, a couple of whom have been very long term regulars.

So, what I suggest is that if you see an MP gal who really floats your boat, go back and see her several times until she becomes comfortable with you, and then pop the question as to whether she would like to see you for more involved things off campus, so to speak.

The worst that can happen is that they'll say no, but if they say yes, then you might really find a truly remarkable relationship, as I have.

I agree, she would definitely have to know you as a regular of hers, before you could even consider asking. I started at a MP, & if a guy were ever to ask for services outside of the place, we were not allowed to, & the owner would send people he knew, just to test the girl's every so often. Those who agreed, were fired very shortly thereafter.

However, for the purposes of what the OP wants, I think he is better off finding a dedicated escort.

This site is the gateway to what you are looking for.  However, you have to do several things.  First, get VIP membership if you don't already have it.  Second, read the self help center.  Third, start posting on your regional board so people will get to know you and your personality.  Fourth, since you probably have no references, join or more of the verification sites.  Preferred411, allows providers to indicate if they are newbie friendly.  They also have a toll free number, and Gina will work with you to get you verified.  Lastly, once you have VIP membership, start reading reviews of ladies in your area.  Without VIP, you cannot read the necessary info, like rates, ratings, and juicy details of the review.

If you have specific questions, ask them on this forum.  I am the host here, and there are several other guys that offer answers to questions when I am not available.

Swim

Very liittle in this world is Writen In Stone  build a relationship and many things might change.  The relationship isn't built on how many times you see her.

With no guarantee of a payoff.

If he wants the escort experience now...he should find an escort.

services after they get to know you.  I have not found them to be more costly than an escort for FS...  if it's offered.  It's more likely to be less GFE than a 'Escort' but perhaps that speaks to the mindset more than anything.  Mind you this is with Indies.  FBSM gals are among my Favorites...  one offers hand release only...  the other FS after she gets to know you but not quite GFE.  (Note:  unable to review some because no acceptable internet ads.)

In a MP setting, I find after paying the house, then the Gal's tip for services, the total is easily more than an Escort.  And you are limited to what can be done on a massage table.