As in, if you take a shower in the beginning you're paying for it. I always schedule to make sure I take a shower right before heading out the door so i don't run into this. (however, I realize with some providers - I remember reading a review for an asian provider - it's better to take a shower at her place as courtesy).

There's also a flip side to this: the shower after. That in my experience hasn't necessarily been an 'on the clock' thing (but the assumption is always that you make it a damn quick shower if it is) but a courtesy that a lady will offer (that you don't have to take) at the end of the session.

to shower on their own time before they show up for an appointment. Even if it only takes 2 or 3 minutes, showering at her place really disrupts the flow of the fun. I did it once. Never again.

I prefer to show up ready to start our fun the instant her door closes behind us, peel off my clothes and get down to business.

Your time starts when you walk in the door. The time YOU invest in a quick two or three minutes in the shower will pay dividends once you are in bed with the lady. Hygiene is the number one cause for a lady to curtail activities.  In other words, if you smell bad you are going to be SOL...

Before my divorce, that's how I had to hobby, and was always willing and grateful to shower up before a date.

Now that I hobby on weekends, I always shower at home before I set out.

Here's a newbie question for you more experienced people:

Does shower time count?

I'm sure this is something that no one thinks twice about once they have been on the scene for a while, but I've seen so many reviews where the first thing everyone does is hit the shower. Just wondering, do most girls start the clock when you get out of the shower or when you walk through the door?

Sorry for being such a n00b...

Most providers i see never start the clock for showering or talking at the beginning of the session.

I always shower before arrival, or on rare occasion i arrive at an in-call freshly showered. Usually she will freshen up, then we'll talk for a few minutes. So far i haven't experienced being put on the clock for talking or showering.

My advice read reviews and see well reviewed providers. My 0.03

...the door. That's when the time starts. Showers can be quick or ask her in and they can be fun. That way the fun starts right away too.

Technically, your time "starts" when you walk through the door. However, since a shower takes only a couple minutes at best,  I would gladly give a little more time for someone to shower and brush teeth before/during/after than to deal with uncleanliness or the feeling of such ~ Freshness makes fun more enjoyable! Yes, and two people can shower at one time!

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Because "guys are guys"...or so the ladies tell me

We absolutely agree on this tho.  I always show up freshly showered (teeth brushed, mouthwash...hair combed (never mind on that one

But occassionally there is that gal that we see that insists on a shower as I walk in the door.  No problem whatsoever as I hop in and out (always asking if she wants to join).

Funny thing with one gal (and all of her reviews spoke of it...so no surprise to me) wanted the shower upon arrival...no sweat.  We played for a bit and during intermission she asks me to take another one to continue on...no sweat again as I knew that was coming.  And I know had there been a third round what the deal would have been.

But some of the "most" fun is after the play has ended and we (she and I) hop in the shower and she gives me another nice workout to finish the day.  And I go home clean...just as I arrived

Not everyone showers at home, puts on fresh clothes, hops into an air conditioned SUV and cruises on over to a big, free parking lot next to a suburban hotel. We  don't all have that luxury.

Walk two blocks in New York City or any downtown area on a hot summer day and you need a shower AND a change of clothes. And don't let the winter weather fool you, either. You dress for the freezing cold, roast to a sweaty mess in a heated cab or subway, back on the freezing streets ...

I've never had a problem taking a shower to make myself feel more comfortable and, I hope, make my hostess more comfortable, too.

as a rule of thumb, if it is more than 1 hour since my shower, I give a quick wash of vital areas.  

Yes, on the clock once you are in the door.  She may extend on the departure if she chooses.  
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.....of course it'd be better if you took a thorough shower just before leaving the house to see a lady. But for most of us  again if our visitor takes under 10 minutes beforehand we don't count it against him.

than to allow chitchat to routinely push back their schedule. If you have a one hour incall appt. for 6PM, the standard expectation is that you'll be there at 6:00 sharp and be out the door no later than 7.

How you choose to spend the time is up to you, whether that's talking, showering or playing yahtzee. You should never conclude that time spent talking doesn't count unless a provider specifically insists that that is the case. Otherwise, chances are you're taking advantage of her disinclination make an issue of it.

the provider expects you to BE clean, not to demonstrate it. I wonder how many of those showers you read about are unnecessary.

Obviously, I can understand taking a shower if you need to, although I think I'd go out of my way to find a gym or a truck stop or someplace before I'd resort to making it Act One of our rendezvous.

On occasions when I've needed a quick freshening up, a visit to a restroom with a pack of these has done the trick:

Like mr.fisher and imposter said everyone comes from somewhere different. If it's Saturday and I'm home before I leave for the appointment then I shower before I leave. If the lady wants me to shower why fuss. I do it and usually ask her to join me. If she's ok with it then I don't shower.
If I am seeing a provider on a lunch break then I need to shower when I arrive. It's been several hours since my morning shower and I may have been to the restroom etc. so I need to shower. Again usually I'll ask her to join me. As with most things everyone does what works for them and the circumstance at the time.
The one constant is the guy needs to be clean and do it in such a manner that the provider is good with it.

All I can say is the showers with the provider are often among the hi-lites of the session. Try it, you might like it. Personally the Wet Wipes aren't enough for me.

It appears you are talking about out calls. You shower before they arrive. I nearly always do in-calls. Time of day and location and activity prior to the session as well as the ladies desire dictate whether I shower upon arrival. An agency I use requires it. I'm fine with that. It doesn't take long. You're probably tired of "hearing" me say, have the lady join you.
Now I've never been rushed out the door precisely on the hour but it's always safe to assume that the time starts when you walk in the door. Let the lady decide if you taking a few extra minutes for whatever is OK with her. If you have seen her several times she is probably ok with a few extra minutes here and there. But I wouldn't push it.

Most of them say they won't put a client on the clock if he needs to shower. How long is a shower anyways five minutes?

xyz23 I respect your opinion highly, so please include in your reviews if a gal is putting you on the clock during showering so that i can make sure to avoid, whether its in-call or out call.

Most good providers will allow you to shower 3mins tops then ask you the break the ice questions. What made you chose me? What is your occupation? All this can be done within 10 minutes, and good providers won't put you on the clock during this time.

Also keep in mind that some ladies use the time you visit the bathroom to count the donation, especially if it's your first meeting. I used to do that and would get a bit nervous if someone declined to "freshen up"... All you see is the envelope but it could have a dozen dollar bills in it, right? lol
At any rate, don't take offense if you are asked to shower, just think about the amazing BBBJ you will get from a lady who knows you are sparkling clean!

In our experiences the shower hasn't taken from out hour, but i can understand cautioning the OP not to expect the treatment we receive.

Fantastic point! I never would have thought of that. Def don't wnat to get anyone nervous. I also don't want anyone to thing that I don't want to shower! I'm all for it! I just wanted to get an idea of when the clock starts. Thanks to all for the insight.

I guess you could say I'm coming from the "politically correct" position on this. I never assume that time in the shower or time talking about the "get to know you" stuff doesn't count. When answering questions about this I always advise that you should assume the clock starts when you walk in the door. (That is the advice I was given, by more than a few, when I started the hobby.) Every provider is different and I don't want someone (a newbie) to see the lady that IS a clock watcher and then think I steered him wrong by saying: Oh, it's ok take your time.

Now, actually my experience has been that the shower didn't take time from my hour, ever. You're right a shower is 5 min or less. The shower after the activities if I'm not going straight home has never been part of the hour either. No provider I have seen has ever said "well, times up you gotta go". I have never had a clock watcher session. But I am aware of respecting the ladies time. I can be accused of erring on the side of caution. Rest assured that my review will state the lady cut it off at exactly one hour showers included. However, I don't fault her for that. The agreement is for an hour (or whatever time was arranged) so whenever I'm seeing a lady for the first time I'm prepared to be given exactly one hour. With ladies I've seen more than once the few minutes here and there are not an issue.

While showering together can be a really fun time, with the exception of overnights I find it takes a lot of pre communication. If I just came from home I have just showered and so would not shower again unless I knew she was waiting for me to shower. If I come in from work etc, I usually find the ladies has just showered, and doesn't want to mess the hair and makeup, or get too dried out, again unless I request ahead of time. I have showered with ladies I have seen before, but only by talking about it first and never on a first time visit as specific communication about the session is kept at a bare minimum. I agree it is a really great part to a session but it is not as easy to achieve.

As I moved up the provider quality ladder, it became a consistent rule that a full shower was required immediately upon entry no matter when I had last bathed. One issue is that you have been handling all sorts of dirty stuff since you last supposedly showered - door handles, steering wheels, money, etc. Another issue is that boys lie about how clean they are. We have all been lying since our childhood. She wants to see you clean up with her own eyes. Why do boys fight so damn hard to avoid getting clean?

Also, given that the lady is completely made-up and hair styled to perfection, why would you expect a positive response to a last-minute invitation for her to join you? Just imagine what she is thinking as you make that invitation.

Don't fight it. Don't wait for her request. Just shower - properly. This is THE winning strategy.

So, then, a dinner date should be free because it's only talking, right?

I'm sorry, but the "talking" part at the beginning is a very important part of what happens after. Do you really want a provider to be a cold-hearted robot who just sees you as a cock she has to get off? I don't look at the clock in any way, shape or form. I talk until it feels comfortable to do more and then things go from there. I often leave close to two hours from when I arrived for a one hour booking. Sometimes 3 hours. One time I was there 8 hours. I don't charge for extra time if it was my choice to stay longer. I want to enjoy the session, too, and talking is a very important part of being able to do that. This is why I don't book back to back sessions.

But I once had a guy book me for an hour and a half. We spent a half an hour or so talking and then moved things along. He didn't last long and then he walked over to the donation and took a hundred out and said, "I think I'll just do an hour session." I had been there an hour and a half at that point. I was pissed!

"The clock" doesn't start in the bedroom. It starts when two bodies are in the same room together. Her time is her time. Including the shower, in my book. But then I don't have a buzzer that goes off when 60 minutes is up and it's time to boot you out the door... (!)

And from my experiences in Atlanta, the gals I've seen haven't put me on the clock for showing, or 3 minute get the know you questions.

Hey maybe I'm receiving special treatment, or just maybe their not clock watchers.

The fact remains that I have never been turned down when I spontaneously asked a provider to join me in the shower.
I agree with you about the why fight it. Just do it. After all, I want her clean so turn about's fair play.