New to this, but wanted to post some threads on issues that I am curious about. So far, the only screening I had asked of me was a list of 2 providers names and numbers for reference. I declined stating why would I give out name and numbers to legit providers to a stranger? How would the providers know which John I am to give reference to? I would think a provider called for a reference would promptly hang up the phone stating I don't know what your talking about if they were smart.
Other than that, I've never had to be screened for say my job or any personal details, nor would I ever submit to such a screening process. Why would any of us be willing to give out identifiable info and put our fate into a provider or agencies hands? Spitzer anyone? I guess that leaves out many providers, but I've had no problems thus far setting up in call appts with TER, cv, or troothsayerz providers. Outcall on travel might be harder as I think they want your name/room #...hmm.
Furthermore, I just think it's silly to think any amount of screening will filter out LE. If I was part of a sting, it would be very simple to have a fake name to a cell phone, a phony job # with an LE secretary, fake LE provider references with fake TER reviews, friend references, etc. I can admire the effort of sites like humaniplex that try to make a trusted membership. But those could be much more easily infiltrated that say your average mega gang or mafias. I do like the idea I guess of customers having reviews/ratings as long as your account was anon through public wifi/tor. That could theoretically help providers screen crazies, but it would do nothing to screen LE.
For me, the rules are simple to make it all legal and anonymous. Use a anon boost phone, anon email through TOR or public wifi. Ask the donation fee before hand. Walk in, discretely put donation on a table. Ask to take a shower to help show not LE, chat a bit after that and let the provider make the first move since your neked and she just couldn't resist you, then let things go naturally from there. Any type of negotiations and I'm out of there - it's not safe for provider or customer.
Thoughts anyone?
You might want to post this on the newbie board.
Us reference friendly ladies do not hang up on other ladies who contact us for references. Sure, we may run around a bit to ensure that she is legit before saying anything. I go a step further to ask my friends to let me know if they are using me as a reference so that I know in advance the request is authorized. It's a small thing to do to help my gents and lady friends stay safe, and to know that they have my back in return.
You ask why anyone would be willing to share their info? Dude!!! Look what you are asking a lady to do. Try walking into a bar and asking a hot chick to go back to your hotel with you without giving her a name. Yeah, maybe sometimes it will work. 9 out of 10 times... you will strike out. If you like that game best play it and leave us professionals alone.
What you think is "silly" has saved the ass of many a lady... including myself. I've avoided not only stings but also meeting with registered violent sex offenders. I'm quite happy with my screening, even if it means someone like you will never contact me.
It seems you think that LE is our only concern. Nope, it's the idea of ending up BB raped, beaten or dead that has my strongest attention. And before you say that screening cannot weed out all violent predators let me say that you are right. However that Boston fellow who robbed several ladies at gun point before killing a lady? If he'd met me, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to escalate... he would have already been in jail.
You do what works for you, as each should. Let the rest of the world do what works for them as well.
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BTW, your Spitzer example is bullshit. HE is the one that got the agency and the poor lady in trouble with the investigation into his funny money habits. It was NOT the other way around.
BTW2, by the time you are discretely putting the donation on the table, it is too late for a lady to do anything to protect herself from either LE or a violent assault; and as a hobbyist, if you walked into a sting and put down money you will be arrested even if there is no talk. Feel free to explain to the judge that the money was for time only.
BTW3, you should *really* worry about a lady who will do anything for money with no regard for her own safety. Imagine for a minute how much care she would have for yours, if none for hers.
Spitzer was not caught because of the screening process, it was the fact that he was being bugged for a total different reason led to him being caught. Having said that, if you ever watch "Cheaters" any flyby night investigator can out you just as much.
Screening process make ot harder for LE to set up stings on both sides, that why CL is normally a target because many if the girls do not screen and make the police work easy.
Since you are new, you will find that the quality providers ALL screen and you will be hard pressed to find a providr who uses this board who does not screen.
Finally, I find it curious that you are willing to go the length to protect you, as you descibe the LE check, which I find very non GFE but unwilling to make it safe for the ladies
I can understand why you would decline to screen. That's a decision a man has to make on his own, but you're incorrect in your argument that it's a pointless practice. When LE conducts a sting to catch prostitutes it will USUALLY last for a few hours in an attempt to make as many arrests as possible - meaning it will consist of a few vice cops pouring over ads and making phone calls to arrest whoever arrives. It won't be an expensive and intricate investigation that lasts over the course of several weeks just to catch one perpetrator. Meaning no high tech surveillance, no cops posing as Johns to build relationships with the girls just to come back an arrest them later, no phony profiles, no monitoring of networks. Just a couple guys with a computer and a cell phone....There are exceptions, yes, but this is how MOST prostituion sting operations are conducted; and with that being the case, I'd say it likely does offer quite a bit of protection to ladies that screen.
On the flip side of that, YOU would be more likely to walk into a sting yourself by seeing a provider that doesn't screen. Did you think of that way? There's going to be a risk either way, but the odds are certainly not in your favor if you go that route.
You reasons for not screening are yours, and that's fine - but you kind of have to know what the fuck you're talking about when you criticize the effectiveness of a certain practice on the other side of the aisle. Careful with assumptions.
You sure talk about LE alot. I wonder if you are LE. If you are not, you need a new hobby. No provider worth half her weight in gold would ever see someone without screening. Have you seen any of the news or media lately????
This is tangent to screening ...
I visited a provider recently, and shortly after meeting she had me fondle part of her as a way to determine if I was LE.
Is this in any way an effective screen?
She also directly asked. If I were LE, couldn't I lie?
(*scratches head*)
I *assume*, as she's a professional, that she knows what she's doing. But sometimes folks suffer from misconceptions as well ...
BTW. I have no issues with screening. It seems pretty sensible to me. And if you are dealing with a reputable provider or agency, they have everything to lose by compromising someone's confidentiality. If they compromised someone's identity gratuitously -- they'd be out of business in a heartbeat.
Here in the metro Boston area, there was a recent case of a provider trying to blackmail a client. It made the news. I'm sure this kind of thing is rare (just as bad deeds the other way are rare); but it would seem as though using an agency would avoid this likelihood as well.
Screening protects everybody in a *physical* sense.
As for LE -- who knows? All I know is that escort service ads in the Boston Yellow Pages are 1/4th of an inch thick, and everybody knows what is really being offered. If LE were truly serious, that stuff wouldn't exist.
LE "stings" tend to come into effect when someone is either doing something really scummy like trying to market underage girls (and they are easily nabbed when that happens), or when the local constabulary is bored and hits the low-end. I've never heard of them taking down a provider in an upscale hotel in Boston. Shoot -- they probably use the services themselves!
It should also be understood that there *does* exist a sex-slave industry in this country. This is an incredibly horrific practice; and LE has certainly taken down at least one company of this sort in metro Boston a couple of years ago -- and I say more power to them. IMHO no punishment is sufficient for folks who enslave people.
Here again, a reputable provider or agency can help you avoid inadvertently financially funding such things. And reputable providers/agencies tend to screen.
I say that as a hobbyist, one has everything to gain and nothing to lose through screening.
The only catch is the "references" thing if you are a newbie.
that you've developed your own set of rules. Ambitious to lay the least...amusing to say the most. These ladies use each other for screening us on a regular basis. It's very common for them to get calls about any one of us. Personally, I would not feel comfortable seeing a lady who didn't do any kind of screening. If you are content with the way your "rules" work, then use them, but your list of options is going to be considerably shorter than mine.
All, thank you for the replies. To the somewhat angry posters, I never intended to offend and apologize if I came across rude in anyway. I only intended to ramble my thought.
I also want to make clear that I think forms of screening that help a provider get an idea of the character of the customer are of course necessary. I have been asked questions about what I do, etc. Same thing goes for at the location, providers have to careful.
All I am speaking of is any sort of screening that gives any personally identifiable information. I strongly feel that everything must stay anonymous between both provider and customer. Just as the provider has risks, so does the customer (including, robbery, murder, etc).
No, I do not feel a respectable agency or provider would willingly give information about customers out to LE or for blackmail purposes. But if push came to shove, they could. And I don't believe that is a risk any customer should take - IMO of course 
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As to my spitzer comment, he was outted for political reasons, not that sham mass media story. He did not stay anon as I do, though if I was that high profile, no steps would hide my tracks.
Perhaps my opinion on this is offensive or appears to be against providers safety, but I do not believe so. I have had no problems with providers or selection, and some who do want to screen with personal info have waived it after I explained my feelings on it. The providers I have scene have felt I was the perfect gentleman and have looked forward to repeats.
Again, no offense intended to anyone. I will think further on references though, I didn't realize they were so important and will take that to heart. Thanks all!
It does clear things up a bit. Just the way your original post came across sort of resembled some other posters who "really" didn't believe in any kind of screening. Glad to see that you don't share their sentiments. On provider references, they are a great tool for both the ladies and us as well. Often, it's the quickest way to get verified. A lot of the ladies know one another, if only from their presence here on the boards. Just be sure that if you plan to use a lady as a reference, you need to ask her first. That way, she knows that it was really you who made the request.
Play safe and have fun.
Statistically speaking, female providers have much more to worry about from their would-be clients then the reverse...
My worst-case-scenario concerns about any encounter fall in this order--
1. violence
2. STDs (particularly herpes, as condoms don't necessarily protect against this)
3. cops
Knowing what you do for a living does not give me any insight into your character...it only tells me (if I can google you) that you're not a cop.
Because I'm not a Madame running an agency, I don't think anyone would care to hunt through my trash for the scraps of paper on which any of your information would be written. The police will only care about you if you're caught in the act of soliciting (usually street-walkers) or in a sting.
For the first couple of months I didn't screen using anything other than my instincts. I knew at some point my number would be up, and I'd be subject to a rip-off without recourse, violence, or the law--so now I grit my teeth through the mutual discomfort of screening...
The women you see who relent when you balk at screening are, if they're anything like me, pretty nervous until the encounter is well under way...
No, not the provider robbing or murdering, but instead a situation where there isn't a real provider, it's just a setup to be robbed. It does happen.
My worst case scenarios are the same as yours. I agree because of volume, providers would have more risk then clients, but I repeat we have risk too. I am not worried about trash hunting, it's the fact that if a provider/agency was busted, I do not want my information on the rolodex. A provider would never give a customer her real name, place of employment (if other than this), home #/work #, etc. And neither would I. If I was walking into a sting, LE having all my info to begin with would be leverage (though I would still just ask for my atty, and zip it). If it was a robbery setup, my situation could be infinitely worse if they had my info. The most I am willing to give is my dedicated cell and an email, and so far, it has worked out well. To each his and her own of course.
And your right, the first is a semi nervous situation, as it probably should be on both sides to play it safe. It's the repeats that are the real fun
If it is LE you are obligated by law to provide your ID when asked. Their having your info in advance makes no difference.
If you are seeing a well reviewed provider you will not have to worry about the situation of their not really being a lady and being a rob set up.
If you as a client find yourself in a position similar to the risks a lady takes... You did not do your homework, period. You have ample time and many resources to check out a lady and her reputation before meeting, including this very site. You are proposing giving her nothing?! I suggest hitting the dangerous waters of CL or hitting the street corner if you want to play that game.
NO self respecting pro will put herself in danger like that. Any lady who would is more of a risk to you than the unlikely scenerios you mention.
-- Modified on 5/15/2009 4:27:16 PM
