Newbie - FAQ

Re: No effing way
sam.5h4h 2168 reads
posted
1 / 24

Messaged a few advertisers I liked. They need a reference. Being a first timer I got nothing.
how do I prove credibility?

weipeikei See my TER Reviews 780 reads
posted
2 / 24

When I have someone without a provider reference, i have to ask for personal information so I can do a work verification and a few other things behind the scenes and sometimes I also ask for partial or full prepayment to reduce the risk.

GaviaImmer 759 reads
posted
3 / 24

You may want to try a verification website like Date-Check.com depending on your location.

It is a good start and affordable. Read back several pages on this board going back as far as a month. You will find several similar threads with ideas and suggestions to decide what option is best for you.
Posted By: sam.5h4h
Messaged a few advertisers I liked. They need a reference. Being a first timer I got nothing.  
 how do I prove credibility?

BigBoyPants 5 Reviews 688 reads
posted
4 / 24

If you are able to spend the money P411 is one of the best verification sites.

AnotherDonJohn 616 reads
posted
5 / 24

Verification site is your friend.

Read the "getting started" guide floating around.

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Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 819 reads
posted
6 / 24

is that once you've been verified there and seen a P411 lady who is newbie friendly, then you are on your way.
There will be 10 lifetimes' worth of great ladies who will be willing to see you without you needing to provide them with your personal information.  That is all I needed to know before I choose to enter this hobby.  Let's compare risk:  provide your info once to P411, or, provide it to potentially to hundreds of different ladies over a period of years?  Even if I only have 1/2 the selection on P411 (I have absolutely no idea what the real statistic is), that is still thousands of great ladies to choose from!

Everyone does what they are comfortable with in this hobby, and you should too.
But information is key - don't think to really have a good time in this hobby that you will have to swallow the increased risk of providing your personal information to lots of ladies.  You don't.  Now understand, probably 99.9% of the time it would be fine, as it is certainly in the interest of the ladies to be discreet - and the vast majority takes that very seriously.  So perhaps you are fine with the risk, especially if you aren't looking to be a high volume hobbiest, or if you don't have much to lose by being exposed as a hobbiest.  But again, information is key.  Do what YOU feel comfortable with after understanding what the options are.

HeathersLuv4u See my TER Reviews 619 reads
posted
7 / 24
Beginnersluck 720 reads
posted
8 / 24

to have you email her a picture ahead of time?  I'm not sure I'm too comfortable with that.  Granted, I'm also a newbie and I know I'll have to trust 1 or 2 providers before I'm established but a picture seems like a bit much.  Any thoughts?

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 619 reads
posted
9 / 24

... since you didn't respond with a cogent point, but rather what I can only guess was an attempted insult ("mating rituals of the poor") - even though it was completely disconnected from anything that I said.

The fact is, this whole hobby is "risky" for both parties.  This is certainly the riskiest thing that I've ever done.  But risk can be minimized (and P411 and TER have been great for that).  Some guys see the increased risk of sharing their info with multiple ladies as worth it considering the addititional possibilities it will open up, other don't.  My unusual last name makes me a google search away from anyone knowing everything about me and family members.  I'm just not comfortable with that.  Would you be comfortable sharing your full name with me?  Come on, you can trust me, I'll be discreet!  I promise.

Ladies should stick with their comfort level.  Guys theirs.  But newbies should be given full information so they can make informed choices as they dip their toes into this hobbying world.

AnotherDonJohn 636 reads
posted
10 / 24

Or think that she's representative of other providers.  

She is digging on your view by saying you represent the mating habits of the "poor," which is ironic since her rate is a newbie rate in big cities. Lol. Being in a small pond has skewed her views. This is the newbie board so no need to go into why her writing belies some intoxication.  

Reread it again below.  
Posted By: HeathersLuv4u
Title: Ahh, finding a lady to "swallow" the risk is safe for the you. Obviously not my arger audience but..
The mating rituals of the poor always amazed me.  
 Toot A Loo
The big market reality is while every lady has a right to screen the way she is comfortable with, many many providers will see a guy based on legit references, a ter reputation, and dc/p411 okays.

AnotherDonJohn 747 reads
posted
11 / 24

Having your age, name, and ethnicity (though i no longer have to give a real name and age for years now ) are enough.  
Again, this is not a commentary on a lady's right to screen the way she wants.

Having your picture is unnecessary and I'd agree puts you at extreme risk.
Why not get your bank records too? Home address?  
I'd move on. If you don't, caveat emptor.

1820590 37 Reviews 563 reads
posted
12 / 24

That would be HIGHLY unusual and a BIG red flag to me...  Not once have I ever been asked for a picture.  If I was, that would be end of discussion.

Goliath.789 5 Reviews 706 reads
posted
13 / 24

My advice Sam is to do what Jstgttnstrtd suggests regarding P411.  It opens the entire playbook for you once you have it along with a couple ok's on it from ladies.  The problem is getting the first ok (or reference).  Just because you join doesn't mean most will see you without that 1st ok.  You could search around and ask (per DonJohn's suggestion) or you could do what I did and find one provider that you think is safe and stable and give her some personal info.  Your area, whom you ask, and the manner in which you conduct yourself in your communication with her will dictate how successful that strategy is.  Try to pick someone who has been at this for a while, is highly reviewed, not from Backpages, and probably not 20 years old.  You'll have to make the call based on your own risk vs reward comfort level as to which route you'll take.  My route was faster and DonJohn's is safer but will involve a lot more work to find someone.  It's annoying standing outside knocking but once you make it inside your golden.  See her, get her reference, and then you're set.  Good luck.  

Beginner I would never send a picture, that's weird.  This isn't a dating site.

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 603 reads
posted
14 / 24

her state when writing that, but thought I'd take the high road in my reply - especially since this is the newbie board and a pissing match could derail the thread from the important points that newbies should understand in order to make informed decisions.  Also, I just read her post in the earlier thread, where she expresses her opinion that only guys with something to hide (i.e., something bad, not just reputation protection), aren't willing to share their info with her.  Who knew?? I guess I'm poor and hiding things. I'm dissappointed to discover the former (better go check my bank account), but I can roll with the latter, as it actually makes me feel like a bit of a badass!  I guess I should thank her for enlightening me.

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 634 reads
posted
15 / 24

Finding a well-reviewed lady is especially critical for that first date, because you REALLY need to maximize the odds of a good experience so you can get that first provider "okay."

More for newbies:
How you present yourself is critical.  Make sure you know all the newbie dos and don'ts for what to say in communications.  Do NOT mention any specific acts.  Complete your P411 profile with some general info about yourself and your likes, so ladies can get a little more feel about you that way.

The first approach is to look for ladies who advertise as being newbie friendly.  You can also ask ladies who doesn't say one way or the other if they would be willing to see newbies.  Don't take the nos personally and move on to the next.  I was actually very lucky, I asked a lady who advertised as being available to guys with at least 1 okay if she would see me.  And it worked out perfectly.  So you could try that, but realize - as I do now from having been on this site for the last year - some ladies will take offense at being asked a question that they already provided the answer to on their site or profile.  Fortunately, my naivete wasn't greeted with that response, and I met a wonderful lady.  I looked at it as nothing ventured nothing lost, and it worked out great for me.

VanComston 590 reads
posted
16 / 24
Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 564 reads
posted
17 / 24

A physical description, sure. But a picture has nothing to do with safety.

AnotherDonJohn 499 reads
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18 / 24
keystonekid 114 Reviews 487 reads
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19 / 24
HeathersLuv4u See my TER Reviews 617 reads
posted
20 / 24

I will spare myself by not reading your post and simply say, be mindful of passing out poor advice.
Poor advice way/will get one of us killed and that's unacceptable.
Ask yourself, if you were a Provider, would you require a thorough screening or would you take take extreme risk? Would you put your life in the hands of another Hooker.? Another Hooker you do lot really know?
Ask yourself exactly what level of screening would make you comfy to be naked in a room with a stranger twice your size?
Think about the advice you giving when you've never been on the other end of the deal....the riskier end.
That being said, think about who/what kind of person would skimp on screening to accommodate such a person coming off as shady from the beginning?
So yea, piss poor advice is deadly.

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 587 reads
posted
22 / 24

doesn't bother to read what you write.  That really pretty much says it all.  But I'll pretend for a moment anyway...
Sorry you consider those who have been screened (full name, driver's license, called at my high profile work location) by an independant 3rd party such as P411 to be "shady" just because we don't want to give someone like you our info too.  But that judgement and what makes you feel safe is your prerogative.  There are thousands of wonderful ladies who DO accept P411 screening as sufficient.  So that is the sandbox that I and thousands of other gentleman will choose to play - with much less risk for US.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 539 reads
posted
23 / 24

"Someone like you"? Guess we know now how much respect you have for providers. Classy.  

Posted By: Jstgttnstrtd
doesn't bother to read what you write.  That really pretty much says it all.  But I'll pretend for a moment anyway...  
 Sorry you consider those who have been screened (full name, driver's license, called at my high profile work location) by an independant 3rd party such as P411 to be "shady" just because we don't want to give someone like you our info too.  But that judgement and what makes you feel safe is your prerogative.  There are thousands of wonderful ladies who DO accept P411 screening as sufficient.  So that is the sandbox that I and thousands of other gentleman will choose to play - with much less risk for US.

AnotherDonJohn 528 reads
posted
24 / 24

He means a BSC provider like HL4U. He's using a euphemism because this is the newbie board. Anyone can pm me for the rest of the links to her showing her BSCness.

Read the part in this thread, where she ridicules him for being "poor" because he says what he says. Put everything he's said alongside hers and you'll see who sounds drunk, ignorant, rude for the most part.

We don't BC about her more because she is in a forgotten, satellite market.  

Hope you are well.

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