I'm new to this hobby (no experience yet) and have read a lot on the TER site.  It's full of great information.  I have a question on getting started and avoiding a LE trap.

I've read about the initial greet, checking of ID's, placing of the envelope, and a little chit-chat.  For mutual protection I've read about never discussing the contents of the envelope or discussing your desires/ expectations before the action begins.  It seems once the action has begun both parties can feel comfortable that neither are LE.

So my question is how does the action typically commence?  Is it normal and proper to let the provider lead?  Is the client expected to make moves as in a typical relationship?  What if the provider just chooses to chat, especially about your likes/ dislikes, is there a non-incriminating way to speed things up?  Any advice from the experienced or providers would be appreciated.

Be who you are not who you aren't. TER is about who you can trust and who you can't. Your getting started on the wrong foot.
    Kisses Haley

-- Modified on 6/21/2008 6:36:59 AM

You will find most to be very leary of 411 requests from an alias. Most folks want to know who they are talking to.

then get down on the bed and let nature take its course.

Consequently, will not answer your questions...for all we know, you are Uncle Leo in disguise, and we don't speak to him here...

Do your research, which is the same advice given the gentleman. Be Safe

None of us (I hope) are using our given names so all are assumed names.  
I choose to use a different name for reviewing than for messaging so I can speak more freely.  By doing this, I realize I lose the ability to get PMs to a post.  
Sometimes, I reveal my review name to prospective ladies during the verification process.

If you follow protocall, especially choosing from TER reviewed ladies & (after getting VIP) read the full reviews...  you'll have done everything possible not only to avoid LE but also rip-offs, underperformance, B&S, etc.

Once the action starts, often a lady will ask what you like?  You can let her lead or you can or mix it up...  there's something really hot about a lady that wants your body (as much as you want theirs).  

skb
(7 reviews)

In this case, unless we responded to him with PM, would it matter if the inquirer posted under an alias?

The answer would be here for all of us to read anyway.

-- Modified on 6/21/2008 12:26:00 PM

and alias nonsense, and the what to do with the envelope, what to say, what not to say nonsense, etc, etc, etc.

The bottom line is simply this.

If you (and I use the generic "you" - it applies equally to both hobbyists and providers) ... if, once having set up an appointment, you find yourself in the same room with LE, you are screwed (and not in a good way) ... regardless of what you do or do not say, what you do or do not do.

The only way to avoid problems is to NOT find yourself in the same room with LE! That is the key to the kingdom!

(And borrowing mrfishers usual disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.)

That's a good place to start

Gotta love it! Somebody got it right (eom)

-- Modified on 6/21/2008 3:34:08 PM

There is no bad feelings in anything I wrote and I must admit what I had to say was very much in good standing with most on TER. I have seen so many not so nice remarks on other boards about people using an alias. In general most would not trust or give information to anyone who hides behind one and this is a very important fact this gentlemen needs to know for his safety and pleasure. I am very glad to see every new face here and to let them know this is the friendliest spot on TER. Please don't make me eat my words. We are here to help them out and give advice the best we know.

By the way if you read my reviews you will see that one way to shut me up is to put something in my mouth. I'm a mature friendly kissable GFE and very proud of that fact. I'm up front and honest and never take advantage of anyone. That's just a little promo for myself.

Kisses Haley

-- Modified on 6/21/2008 5:32:10 PM

Wow, I'm so sorry I caused such a stir.  I didn't like the name I signed up under and wanted to change it.  I couldn't figure out any other way other than creating an alias.  I didn't think it was any big deal.  The rules don't address alias in any way (that I saw); how am I to know it's a problem?  People, in the future you may want to help out the new guy rather than flame him.  No hard feelings, but when you're the new kid on the block and don't know the rules of the game there are going to be some fumbles- especially if the rules aren't published.

By the way, I figured it out on my own tonight, thank you.  It seems that cock in mouth was the right answer.

There are many more gentlemen than ladies on this board and we ladies are much kinder and gentler than the gents. Go ahead and search alias on your local board, on general discussion and politics to see how most feel about an alias. I was doing my good service to educate and keep you safe. I'm a very friendly lady and not in any way a  FLAME. I learn something new here all the time and I always say thankyou for helping me out. I guess we speak a different language as i'm not sure I was being thanked or ridiculed.
     Kisses Haley

the only rule on alias use is a limit of one per person per thread. Be respectful, even under an alias, and it won't be a big deal to use one. Although some may wonder why you need an alias. (you now explained yourself.)

I think you are right that some folks jumped on you a bit harshly for posting under an alias. Don't let it bother you too much. If you have questions, this is the place to ask.

Thanks for the support.  

It looks like my best bet is to not post at all; I believe my posts have been misconstrued and over-analyzed.  Appearently there's a rule posted somewhere about not using an alias ( I still haven't found it), and my attempt at humor here was crass- I'm sorry.  Haley, I didn't mean to imply you flamed me; you were actually offering constructive criticism.  To those that offered help I do appreciate it.

I'll continue to read, but I can see I don't seem to have the knack for writing a post that will be an asset to this board.  Maybe someday I'll figure out the posting etiquette here.

the only official rule is at I noted: one alias per person per thread. If you follow that (along with general posting protocol) then you will not run afoul of the mods.

The unwritten rules are what individual posters think are appropriate, and that differs by person.

(1)Some think aliases should never be used under any circumstances.
(2)Others think they should only be used when you need to describe a situation, or you may have something constructive but potentially controversial to add, but want to avoid self-identification to avoid future retribution (personally, I'm in this camp)
(3)Still others don't care one way or the other
(4)Then there are those who won't even follow the rule of only one alias in a thread

Some in camps (1) and (2) are more aggressive about promoting their personal view on the use of aliases than others. They take it upon themselves to act as junior mods. You violated their personal rules, even though you didn't run afoul of the rules set out by TER. In pointing out your "violation" someone may be rude or constructive. Depends on their temperament. But bear in mind, you did keep within bounds of the formal rule.

For example, someone can point out you shouldn't post unnecessarily with an alias and explain why they personally think it is wrong, or as a warning for you that others might jump all over you for doing that, or they might do the jumping themselves.

There is a post from Tori in a thread below where someone felt he was getting attacked on another board. Just about everyone who replied after reading his linked thread felt he was wrong but many took that opportunity to ream him out in the process. Tori's reply at the bottom was very useful. It might apply to your situation as well. Read it and then decide whether or not you should keep posting or just lurk.


-- Modified on 6/22/2008 1:40:42 PM

Zisk-

Thanks for the words of wisdom.  I found Tori's post and read it.  I agree, it explains a lot.  I post on many hobby discussion boards that presumably have a cross section of society as their members as well; there is very little flaming.  I find it very disappointing that this site is appearently different.

For now I'll just lurk, at least until the burns from the flames heal.  I'm doing this for fun, not to become someone elses punching bag.

Yep, call me a pussy.

Sometimes, when both the lady and the guy are nervous, that's a good way to break the ice.  And you never have to worry if she's LE.  

And HaleyOrlando, "cock in mouth" is for neither affection or domination -- it's for pleasure.

-- Modified on 6/22/2008 4:25:19 PM

I hope you continue to post and add to the banter on the friendliest board on TER. I did try to PM you but could not get through.

Our screen names are our idenity in this community and what our reputation is built on. TER has been here a long time now and has many longstanding members who take the time to post here often. There names make them well respected and welcome additions to any board on TER. Myself I always read their posts.

This is our community, mine and now yours. Our acceptance of lifestyle choices is our common bond and our mission is to keep each other safe. I'm working on building my reputation here on TER and hope those who see HaleyOrlando will some day feel I am a well respected member of TER and hope you too; JMTampa or whatever name you choose, will be added to that list. Please keep yourself safe and do hope you will be here for a long time to come.
     Kisses Haley

-- Modified on 6/22/2008 5:28:41 PM

just kidding.