This may end up in the newbie section. I know that donations are not to be discussed and should be left in a plain envelope in plain view.  However, what is the correct protocol. For an outcall, should the provider pick up the donation as soon as she walks in the room or when she is about to leave?

For an incall should the provider ignore the donation altogether after it is placed in plain view and only pick it up after the client has left the room?

I am also interested in comments concerning the legal aspects of this, if someone wanted to try and make a case for solicitation and were to be watching on video, what would tend to get you in more hot water, picking up the donation before or after?

...it doesn't matter when she touches the money, or even if you hand it to her. If LE wants to arrest you for prostitution-related charges, LE will arrest you for prostitution-related charges. There have been many reports of vice cops blatantly lying about what was discussed/said/done by both parties. Most scenarios aren't recorded, so it's your word against theirs. Guess how that usually turns out. (Your word against theirs in court, I mean. Upon finding yourself in the company of LE you shouldn't be saying *anything* other than that you invoke your right to remain silent and would like to speak to your lawyer. )

You'll probably get some replies from the gentlemen who will tell you to NEVER pay until after, because they don't want you to get ripped off/cash & dashed. It's a reasonable concern. However, as a newbie you should have done enough homework on the lady to ensure that she's not someone likely to pull that crap. Me, I *require* the money up front, and I will typically excuse myself to the bathroom to count it.

The lady's website may indicate if she has any preferences about when she would like to have the "business" part taken care of. If she doesn't explicitly say, then it's up to you to decide if you'd prefer to pay before or after.

I do out call for the time being, I can only speak for that, so here are the two ways I proceed.

A) I usually have clients meet me in the hotel lounge for a cocktail so we can get to know each other first and I ask them in advance to discreetly present me with a gift bag or colorful greeting card envelop, which is clearly stated in "Etiquette", (something which will look inconspicuous to others as apposed to a WHITE envelop), so the money is out of the way right off the bat.

B) If I already know the client and he wants me to come up to the room, once I get there I will say something along the lines of, "Do you mind if I just freshen up a little bit?".
When I walk into the bathroom, I almost always see the envelope on the counter, which I prefer, although there have been a couple of times, that if it's not in the bathroom, it is on the night stand/table. I've seen them before, so I trust the money is there.
The bathroom counter in an unsealed envelop is ideal.
That way it gives me some privacy to count the money, saves me the embarrassment of giving off the vibe I don't trust you, let alone the legalities, all of which can be uncomfortable for both of us.


IN CALL: (When I used to do it)
Once I had greeted my client properly and had invited them in I'd say "Did you want to take a shower?" (the answer was always yes), "Great! Why don't you put your donation on the table and I'll show you to the bathroom where you can leave all of your belongings. I've put a clean towel on the counter for you".
That way once they went into the bathroom to shower, it gave me time to count and put away the money.

This of course, was just the way I do/did things.

The donation should be left in plain view and be there when the lady arrives.  The same goes for in call by the way. Place the donation in plain view when you arrive.

Playing hide-and-seek with the envelope is never a good idea. Make it easy for the lady or run the risk of starting things off on the wrong foot...

In which I said if the lady didn't specify it was up to the gentleman...

You're right. The default should always be to have the donation in plain view before the lady arrives (outcall) or to place it in plain view as soon as you arrive (incall). If the lady just didn't think to put a note on her site or the gentleman just didn't see it, waiting until the end or doing the "envelope dance" is really awkward. I've had to ask for it a few times and it's really hard to not make that an uncomfortable moment.

I always place it in plain view upon entering the room. But providers rarely touch it while I'm there. Less than 9 out of 10. Not sure why I haven't ran into more counters because I hear about the pre-session counting all the time.

I don't worry about LE. If they want you, they'll get you

Leave it somewhere they can see it so that she knows it's there.  I try to drop it discretely as soon as possible.  I have never had a girl pick it up and count it in my presence, but that is, IMHO, because of my research in to the quality of the lady I am visiting.

As far as LE is concerned, you would be screwed by them if not by her.  When she picks up the money will probably not make an difference.  SO, relax, do your research, see quality ladies, and you should have no trouble.

Swim

I always put the envelope down on a table as soon as I get in the room,and make sure that she is looking at me as I do so.

Most ladies request that...best you honor her requests...

I drop it off in plain sight,if her web site doesn't have other instructions. If you've done your research, it's pretty much a guarentee she isn't LE.

I you are being video recorded, you've already failed.  That means you are in the room with a LEO & you are going down town.  Simple as that.

You avoid LE by doing your homework, long before you walk through her door.  If you check her reviews, check her wen site, maybe PM a reviewer...  you can be assured she's really a provider.  
It is remotely possible for LE to game the system but unlikely unless you are a high value target.  Are you a State Governorer & former Prosecuter?  Are you moving money illegally?  

Most ladies prefer the donation in advance, left in a discrete place. Check their web site for instructions if she has them.  First dates are about always like that.    

Old school is donation made after & this is how my Fav's operate:  My clothes go on a chair next to her dresser.  I cusomarily remove my pocket junk & place it on the corner of her dresser next to my clothes.  I have the correct donation separate with a paper clip (no envolupe).  When I am dressing the pocket junk goes back in my pockets & the donation is left behind.  I never look at or draw attention to the donation.  In the back & forth of dressing & using her bathroom the donation disappears.

Another way of passing a donation, is with a small gift.  One Fav lady likes sugar free candy & place the gift on her table with the donation under it.  I suppose a candle in a gift bag could work too.

But these nicities are only to keep the illusion of the GFE...  I'm not kidding myself they would have any legal effect.

Do your homework.
skb

I am lucky in respect to seeing the donation as soon as I walk in the door. I have never had a client I had to ask for it or search for it. I don't get the envelope thing as a requirement..but I have had notice some men do use it, was fine with me. I have no doubt that the gentleman I am with is respectful of our time together, therefore I am not inclined to need to count it right away. Once we are done, and it is apparent our time together is over, I excuse myself to the bathroom and scoop up my pocketbook which I have always put near the money and walk into the bathroom.

I enjoy the company of a gentleman with loads of passion and the intelligence to treat our encounter with respect. I remember him fondly again later, as I soak in a tub..(wicked evil grin)

I seriously need a typing class..and need to re-read everything I type.( I look at the keys and not the screen)

someday, I will be able to look at screen instead of the keyboard..someday.......

excuse my look of illiteracy..

With no detailed instructions on the lady's web site, after walking into a lady's incall, I will put the envelope down along with my cell phone & car keys.  When I leave, I pick up the cell phone and car keys.

The first time I see a client, I either excuse myself to go into the bathroom, or ask him if he'd like to clean up a little (say yes to this, guys!), and then I count it.  If he's a repeat, I note where he's put the envelope, but I don't count it; if I've agreed to see him again, I know he's good for it.