Hey All

I just had my first visit with an incall 23 y/o hottie (pretty decent reviews here on TER) in Woburn, MA.

Here are a few things I learned:

-Do not count on the discussed location to be used, as locations can be switched on the day of. My Boston plans suddenly changed and I found myself navigating to a new area.

-Do not ask to change the television to a non-news station. The provider has become used to having any old thing on the TV as white noise and does not mind hearing stories about "bloody rags hidden in crawlspaces". To other providers - Some guys do care about the ambient noise!

-Make sure to check for profiles on more than one site, as donations may range in size depending on the profile. I paid at least $50 more (plus tip) than I could have, and there was no recognition of generosity.

-Do not try to be a touchy-feely kind of guy, as the provider may be all about the quick lay. Time = money, after all. Probably means I should seek GFE next time.

-Do not expect the provider to adapt to your needs. It was clear that I was getting the same sequence of moves that all the other johns get, despite me being a bit taken aback.

-Do not expect to get a full hour, especially when you have been booked for the hour that is supposed to be checkout time at the hotel. I was repeatedly told that the cleaning service would be coming to reset the room. Pressure!

-DO NOT take anti-dep/anxiety meds like Celexa before the visit, take them after. They are unpreDICKtable and will sometimes cause wang malfunction. In this case, the provider seemed pretty depressed that she had not "done her job" (good work ethic, anyway).

I'm sure these issues will wax and wane with the provider, so here's to a better sophomore visit.

You just picked a lame provider.

Better luck next time, there are better providers in Boston.

Never mention the town you where in especially if it is a suburban location.

Secondly, it sounds to me like you got a sub par lady. No one worth seeing would have the television on during an appointment.
Always expect to get the full hour. Her problems are not your problems. Anyone who spends any time in hotels knows that the maid will not be knocking on your door at the exact check-out time.  

If you want GFE make sure to look for it in reviews. Adaptability and the touchy-feely factor should not be off the table with the right girl.

TIP?! Why on earth would you tip for such cut rate service?

Locations WILL sometimes change but only a hack would switch from downtown to a place in the far suburbs.

If you had a good time I guess that's all that matters but there are some pretty amazing indie and agency gals in Boston who will give you much better service...

I bet if you go back and re-read her reviews now, you'll probably see some of the things in them that you didn't like about your appointment.  I've definitely done it - been so blinded by a girl's pictures and some good things in her reviews that I disregarded some things, then after I saw her and was disappointed, noticed those things when I re-read her reviews.

The meds could make a difference, but don't blame them totally - I am touchy-feely too and if the escort wasn't into it, then that (and all the other negatives you mentioned) would definitely make me unable to perform too.

I don't want to be a shill, but if you want to PM me, I can give you the name of a girl who travels to Boston some who I think you will have an infinitely better time with.

Honey, I think you need to do better homework next time, you obviously saw the wrong girl for you.

You mentioned that this was your first experience with a provider.  I am sorry that it was not better for you.

But I also kind of wonder why you are posting a long list of rules and recommendations - almost all of which had a negative tone - after ONLY ONE VISIT.  This is a newbie board and as such some prospective members could get a pretty negative impression from reading your post.  Most of us are on this board to answer questions, post a little advice, and ENCOURAGE nervous newbies to be smart and try a provider if they think it might be right for them.

Might I suggest that you try again (if you are so inclined) with a very well-reviewed (as opposed to "pretty decent"-reviewed) provider that is maybe a little more experienced and professional.  I would encourage you to bring a positive attitude to the appointment and let her do her thing for you.  In other words, don't let your first bad experience ruin any possible fun in the future.

A couple of my first few sessions with providers were not very satisfying.  I didn't post reviews but I did read the TER boards thoroughly and refined my provider evaluation process.  Eventually, I figured out how to find what I was looking for and you will too.

Yes, I realize now that much of what happened was due to lack of experience on the part of the provider. I think she is just too young to understand the range of needs that guys may have. She may not have the aptitude for the biz, just like people in the outside world may not be good at their job.

It was still a VERY informative experience, and I learned a ton from it.

RE: tip - I thought it was protocol to include at least a small tip in the envelope if you're a nice guy. I red a lot beforehand, and I was under the impression that there would be no real discussion about money, and that I should just leave the envelope in plain sight. So I never considered whipping out an extra $20 or whatever at the end, it just seemed to blatant.

Thanks for listening

Yeah, true enough. I had already taken note of one review that mentioned that she was deffo not GFE, but I figured there could be a middle ground. Instead, it was the opposite of what I imagine to be GFE.

I think my preference (even with GFE) will be totally safe, so it's not the kissing or DATY that I missed. It was the fact that I wanted to touch her incredible body, take my time exploring, and then fuck at the end once I felt more of a connection. I'm all about touching and the buildup. I don't think any single orgasm is worth several hundred dollars; It's the whole encounter that justifies that outlay.

It's also hard to bring myself to write an honest review, as I feel like I don't have the experience to fairly judge a provider. But I do know that, in retrospect, it feels like I was treated like one final paycheck before check-out, with no real interest in providing good service.

One last question I have is whether some of this is due to her age. At 23, with one or two years in the biz, I just wonder if she could ever provide the service I am looking for.

True, but the bullet point format was just an amusing way for me to express my feelings as a newbie. I wasn't really mad at all, just musing. Plus, another newbie may carry one of my points to his first encounter and come out the better for it.

I didn't write an official review due to my inexperience, but (in retrospect) I'm pretty sure I either saw a subpar provider or just caught her on a bad day. The bottom line is still the same for me, though.

Should I write a real review on the main site? Because it's likely that she treats many guys this way, so I feel like I should help others find better providers.

Yes, here's to a better sophmore visit!

A reputable lady will not give you the location ahead of time, only a call location.  She should not change that location except for emergency.  A large change of Venue, she would rightfully get many cancellations who might not have time or transportation to a distant location.

I have had providers keep the TV on...  in your case, not only for white noise (a good thing) but also to track time.  I consider TV on (unless porn is requested) is very low class.  An Ipod or music on her laptop is much better.  I've even had one put a boom box by the door...  facing the door...  so the room noise was very much concealed.  A skilled provider may have sound track time cues which is fine.

Actually the idea to check for tips & specials is a good one.

By all means read the reviews.  GFE costs no more if adequate time is requested.  If you're trying for a shorter time, there's obiviously not going to be time.  Don't complain about hurrying if you request less than hour appointments.

I DO expect a provider to adapt to my needs within the limits of their menu & they deliver.  I do find more mature providers are less likely to expect a guy to be push button.

I DO expect the time I reserve.  If I am on time, I expect to get it.  If not, than it'll show in my reviews...  and my lack of a return visit.

If you take meds, you should know how they affect you, & adjust their timing if necessary.  You can't expect a provider to be a miracle worker.  

A lot of the things you mention go to the heart of TER's reason for being.  You do need VIP to read the reviews but the modest cost is way less than even one spoiled date.  
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Tipping is entirely optional.  If you want to leave a gal a tip for excellent service there is no reason why you can't leave it next to the envelope or otherwise in plain site at the end of the session.  You do not need to mention it but, as an FYI, once she has fucked your brains out and she knows you are not LE it is OK to talk about money.

Hi

Thanks for the understanding reply. I specifically did not post this stuff in a real review because I was worried about getting into a flamewar with the provider and coming across as the know-it-all newb. I was just expressing what this encounter would have taught me if I was the easily-discouraged type (which I'm not - the next session is being planned already).

To comment on a few issues:

"A reputable lady will not give you the location ahead of time, only a call location.  She should not change that location except for emergency.  A large change of Venue, she would rightfully get many cancellations who might not have time or transportation to a distant location."

In all fairness, she did give me notice and was good with directions. In the future, I will just cancel if this happens.

"I have had providers keep the TV on...  in your case, not only for white noise (a good thing) but also to track time.  I consider TV on (unless porn is requested) is very low class.  An Ipod or music on her laptop is much better.  I've even had one put a boom box by the door...  facing the door...  so the room noise was very much concealed.  A skilled provider may have sound track time cues which is fine."

Yeah, I would much prefer that providers have some small sound system (like ipod + tiny speakers) that they can place strategically. I don't own a television, so having one on is a big distraction for me. Plus, it was tuned to some fairly unerotic programming.

"Actually the idea to check for tips & specials is a good one."

I thought so. It never occurred to me that prices would vary from profile to profile, and I was under the impression that I should not discuss such matters over the phone. What would happen if just brought the lowest "donation" I could find listed by her online? It seems like an OK idea for the first time, and I would get more generous if the service warranted it.

"By all means read the reviews.  GFE costs no more if adequate time is requested.  If you're trying for a shorter time, there's obiviously not going to be time.  Don't complain about hurrying if you request less than hour appointments."

I only expected a solid hour, which would have given me time to talk, explore, and (eventually) go for the glory. But I think she used just about every pressure tactic to get me in and out (perhaps unconsciously, as she didn't strike me as devious or anything).

"I DO expect a provider to adapt to my needs within the limits of their menu & they deliver.  I do find more mature providers are less likely to expect a guy to be push button."

Yes, I was hoping she would understand that I was not the kind of guy who arrives with a hard-on. Some guys are turned on by the act of visiting a provider (I know this from talking to more experienced friends), while I am more about the gradual escalation to the main event. This provider clearly had rules, but she did not tell me up front. So I was left to be scolded as I discovered what she would and would not do. I would much rather know everything up front.  

OK, I'll stop rambling. Hopefully this thread will be useful to somebody in some capacity!

How long she has been in the biz. I am in my mid twenties and have been in this biz just about 2 years too and i could never give a session like that. You already paid more than you should have and gave a tip.

She had your money already and then some, so why not give you that type of experience. Why would you even consider going back to her to she is she could ever give you the service you are looking for? It will never happen!

There are too many ladies in that area (myself included) that are GFE and pride themselves on a stellar performance. Why settle for less???

Crystal

Yes, you should write a review on your experience with this provider.

True, she may have had a bad day, but maybe not. Others need to make that decision for themselves.

That is the point of this site, Reviews. To inform others of your experience with providers.

What happens if this is how she performs and the next gets the same deal as you? He could have seen your review, as well the others and made a decision of wether or not to see her.
Crystal

My answers to some of your questions:

Should you write a review?:

Normally, I suggest that newbies not submit reviews until they have seen at least a few different providers.  I advocate this mainly as a way to garner a few data points before trying to rate experiences.

However, in this particular case, I can see the merit in submitting a review mainly - as Crystal pointed out - as a heads-up to other potential clients.  Frankly, some guys don't mind this kind of encounter, but a guy looking for GFE should certainly move on to another provider.

In the review, mentioning you are a newbie and also noting any circumstances that were beyond the lady's control (such as the Celexa) would help to temper the negative aspects of your appraisal.  You appear to be relatively thoughtful and can write a coherent sentence, so I think you'll manage to write a fair review that won't provoke a "flame-war".

What to do about the differing rates on different ads?:

I have experienced this before when contacting a provider.  I simply said something like, "Is the hourly rate that is shown in your ad on [Eros] your current rate?"  Never had a problem with that approach.  Also, I almost never go by the rate shown on her TER profile as that is rarely updated generally.

How do you handle the tipping?:

If I feel like the provider exceeded my expectations in one way or another, I will leave a tip at the end of the session.  As Bostonguy pointed out, no need to be too circumspect about it.  The provider should have figured out by this point that you are not LE.  Besides, I hear that vice cops are notoriously cheap, so they wouldn't be leaving a tip anyway  

What to do about the TV?:

I don't have a TV either, so I can understand how completely distracting this can be.  Horrible for the mood.  I have encountered this three times.  First two times I didn't ask her to turn it off.  I was new and she was in control.  Never again.

Last time, I asked to turn it off and she said she might make enough noise to warrant some background cover.  She did, however, change it to a music channel at least.  Fox News just isn't gonna work for me.

What to do about the early end to the time?:

If a provider is making subtle (or not so subtle) signs to encourage you to get packing, you could politely ask if you could simply chill, or cuddle, or talk, or whatever for a bit until your [hour] [90 minutes] is up.  This, of course is assuming that you were enjoying her company in the first place!

I did this with one provider and she replied, "That would be great.  I just wasn't sure because some guys simply want to come and go."  We spent a very nice 15 minutes laying next to each other, talking and laughing.

Is the provider's age an indicator of her tendencies?:

No.  Not necessarily.  Of my two favorite providers one was 23 when I met her, the other was 33.  This is not to deny that there can be general trends (ie. youth = immaturity), but it is very case-dependent.  For example, take a look at Brooke Song's profile on here.  She is young (18 - 20) but ... well just look at her numbers.  Based on her profile and her board posts - back when she participated more - I would say she is more mature than 90 percent of the population.

Good luck.  Be safe.  Have fun.  Treat the ladies well.

Oh, I didn't mean another session with her. I'm in contact with a couple of other ladies who seem to offer more of what I'm after.

What I don't understand is the constant "gentlemen only" BS in ads, but then they meet a gentle guy who wants more than in/out and make them (me) feel like it's odd.

My dream would be a provider who allows me to do safe kissing all over, play with her V (my hands are soft and clean as the fallen snow) and then do some slow sex towards the end. I get a lot of compliments on my touching, as I'm into sculpture and other manually active hobbies, but I understand that this level of intimacy is maybe a turn-off for providers.

$300 for being touched gently by a nice guy? Sounds like easy money to me.

OK, I just submitted a very detailed review that I think covers the points I have mentioned.

Great - Thanks for the info.

I submitted a review that I think is levelheaded and inclusive of my own role in the session. Many men (ie me) see sex as such a delicious thing that it can be hard to write any sort of criticism. However, the fact that we are part of a business based on the same principles as any other (customer satisfaction, accurate depiction of product, etc.) means that reviews are quite appropriate.

Next week should be my second attempt, and I can't wait to use my new-found knowledge.

I LOVE that kind of intimacy. But then again that is what a GFE session is and it sounds like that is what you want.

I love to men like you, who are gentle and soft!
The money is not the reason I do this. I love what I do!!!!  I love sex!!! I love intimacy! And I love meeting different people.

I am sure you will find what you are looking for. Just make sure to read the entire review. Make sure it says kissing and touching is allowed.

Crystal

Ok, actually you should be able to expect her to turn the TV OFF. Ugh, how tacky.

You should be able to expect to get a full hour. You should expect her to be smart enough to take care of the cleaning service.

I will say though, that as far as the difference in rates on different websites go, that may not be something she has any control over. There are alot of shady sites out there who simply troll legitimiate sites and create profiles for women. Then if we are lucky and actually FIND our profile, we have to PAY to update the profile, and requests to delete the profile go completely ignored 90% of the time. So over time, providers can collect a variety of bogus website profiles that are totally out of date.

My question is, you said "pretty decent reviews on TER", what is your defintion of 'decent', and how many reviews are we talking? Did you actuallly read the reviews, or just look at the numbers? I think perhaps if you had done a little more research you might have avoided your unfortunate experience. Hopefully, next time you will research a bit more throughly and in doing so find the sort of experience you were hoping for.

digitalmo,
I hope you do not feel my reply was criticism, rather a discription of the smoother approach with improvements for both parties.
There is a learning curve in this, as any activity, which is also why these boards are tremendously valueable.  
I'm into kissing & cuddling.  My Fav ladies will come & lie together after...  the high point of our time.
Best Wishes,
skb

Truthfully, I did read the non-VIP stuff when I first found this site. I was probably focusing too much on the looks and not enough on the service, but I also did not really understand what I was looking for.

I guess I felt like this: If I'm paying several hundred bucks to do this, I want to be with a woman who would normally be out of my league. But now it seems obvious that getting laid by a supercutie means nothing if the experience is not fun.

So, as stated previously, this experience was very useful in helping me understand common pitfalls and my own needs.

No, not at all. I'm surprised that I haven't been bashed more, though I tried to avoid coming on too eRagey. I have money right now, so the donation doesn't really bother me. I just want to have a great experience in return.

It takes a few dates to really figure the hobby out  And you will always be learning, no matter how many times you hobby.  Reviews are critical
if you read things about a  lady,  that's a turnoff, move on. There  are way to many great escorts, to have a mediocre time. Think with your big head, not your little head.  

-- Modified on 9/17/2009 7:15:12 AM

As a five year vet, I can do that with some authority:

1) Location changes can happen, and smart, experienced ladies won't give this out until they settled...

2) TV should be off unless there are reasons to watch.  Most ladies I have met play music as "white noise".  

3) Price differences can happen.  If you are in the hobby, $50 should not be of concern.  If you think that you were overcharged, all I can say is do not see her again, and give her a minus one penalty in performance in your review.

4) Seeking GFE...gee, ya think?  If this is mentioned as a YMMV thing in reviews, learn from that, and avoid.

5) Mechanical performance...mention that in your review.  Another point penalty may be in order...

6) Getting shorted on time...DEFINITELY mention that in your review...at least one point in performance, maybe more.

7) Taking drugs before appointments is never a good idea.  Wait until afterward...

These issues should not wax and wane...if you see the right ladies, i.e., those with good, consistent reviews, these issues should never arise.  

Better luck in your sophomore visit. Maybe you need to do your homework more thoroughly next time...