...afford a fine steakhouse, go to McDonalds.

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don't touch! My advice, if you have champagne taste and a beer wallet, look for specials. Most providers from time to time will offer them. Also touring providers in order to get advance books will offer specials as well. You'll find them advertised on the regional ad boards.

It's just bad form.

Now, if a girl has seen you many times, she might be inclined to give you a different rate, but to me that's very different than negotiating.

If you cannot pay a girl her rate, then it's best to walk.

Don't. Seriously. If you attempt to negotiate, that tells the provider that (a) you're cheap, (b) you're a douche, and (c) that you apparently think that she is not worth what she charges. It's insulting and will earn you a swift click of the delete button.

Someone who thinks I am not worth what I'm asking.  Why would I want to potentially subject myself to a bad review hurting my future income if your not into me and my look?  Why would I want to spend even 5 minutes of misery much less an hour or more with someone who just isn't into me like they should be?  
Why would I want to spend my time worrying that your going to short me or worse because your bitter about my rate to start with?  

Negotiations are not welcome here.  If I could accept any less and be profitable then my rates would be less.  My rates are what they are for a reason.  I didn't just pick numbers out of the sky.

First time clients have no business trying to negotiate shit...pardon my French lol. I take VERY good care of my regulars who have already invested in me, but a new guy? Get real. We see you one time for a discount then you go out and pay the full rate for the next girl...not happening. If you can't afford her rate, don't bother contacting her.

We are not running a soup kitchen here honey...p*ssy is a LUXURY item, not a need.


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I would never negotiate but there are cases when you meet a new provider who hasn't published donation expectations and whose reviews don't include that information. And talking about that on the phone is not encouraged, though sometimes the provider brings it us which is fine. I would bring more donation than I was expecting just in case but what would be the correct protocol in a case like that? So far its not been a problem but it is always a little nerve racking in that case.

I agree with you on this...if a woman's rates are not clear, by all means ask. You don't have to talk about sexual services AND rates, because that will get you nowhere, but simply asking "where can I find the accurate rate I need to bring" is ok for most of us.

As I type this, there are 902,788 total reviews and that's just TER, which is not even close to the entirety of the escorting universe.  I have negotiated better rates on any number of occasions, usually with girls I've seen a time or two.  I have also set up special rates for certain periods of time with girls I've met for the first time.  My point is, unless it's someone you just have to see, what's the worse that can happen?  They cop the "how dare you?" attitude (which I find highly amusing, given that this IS a business and business people negotiate fees/rates daily) and you move on to the next girl.  

Interestingly enough, this analysis is even more applicable with some of the higher end porn stars.  There are many of them whose rates on their reviews here are listed at 1200 to 1500 and I KNOW some of them will see you for less, sometimes significantly less!  A lot of times, it has to do with timing.  Somebody's had a slow month and the rent's due, better something than nothing.

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Thank you. Terribly frustrated with this thread (and this discussion board process in general). This was NOT at all what I intended to post. I started the title and accidently hit 'enter' without contributing the body of my detailed question. So I submitted a second thread which it seems has been ignored and NOT posted by the administrator (I good reason why I forum elsewhere most of the time).

So thanks for having the insight to think these thoughts weren't complete.


The situation I intended to explain:

I have been mongering 5-6 years but have come across a unique situation with a UTR turned pro. Last spring a friend and fellow hobbyist turned me on to a sweet, young utr who was a complete civilian. A single mom, late 20's, college grad, tons of debt and a healthy appetite for sex. On the looks scale... average  5-6... size 12 but she has great energy and enthusiasm. She wanted a small circle of friends and like to explore BSDM and for that privilege of being low volume we agreed to pay above what I would consider the 'market rate' for sessions. She was nervous, newbie, inexperienced in really running or even participating within a session (I had to supply protection, get room etc). For the overall experience I enjoyed it, we connected, had a few sessions, stayed in touch. This past fall she decided (guided by another hobbyist) to turn pro. And when she did she jacked her rates even higher. High for what I would consider my market (DC) considering comparable choices and even high for what I see as established vets charging. She has contacted me on a few occasions looking to get together (she's initiating the conversation) and things go smoothly until I inquire about the time and rates. She instructs me to refer to her website which is now $.50 more for 30 mins less. It is a COMPLETE turn off and I haven't found a way of saying "well sister, I like you alot but you are a little out of your mind".

The fact is she could have some very happy mongers paying those rates, but then if her phone is ringing off the hook why is she contacting me. I think people are trying her based on the list of services and they aren't repeating. I see very few reviews on her.  My feeling is she's been doing this less than a year, she's not seasoned and there are much better choices out there. I believe she's trying to stay low volume and charge the highest she can. Frankly she needs better advice or a better business manager.  I'm not bitter or jealous, but I do see the reality of her overcharging above what the market will bear.

I don't expect special treatment being that I supported her on the ground floor and was giving her extra b/c she was a nice girl in need. However I'm used to providers giving me a loyatly rate if I'm a regular... not raising their prices by 50%.

Sorry this thread got convoluted. Curious about opinions from mongers and providers alike.

No, it's NOT a buyer's market unless like you, all he wants is cheap ass. If so, then you are correct. If he wants to see a certain provider though, he pays the rate or is shit out of luck. Not all providers live from week to week and only need you boys when the rent or mortgage is due. Some of us work when we want, how we want, and at the rate WE set, because we are not idiots. The way you describe things makes it sound like only providers desperate for cash are wiling to see you, and that says it all. Some guys want a woman with a brain, not just a hole between her legs.

So, in that sense you are accurate in that ONLY women dependent on the hobby will have to cater to cheap mongers like you..bravo. You should be very proud of yourself for basically forcing a woman to have to fk another guy that day/week to make up for the discount you just have to have. I certainly hope the ladies are paying attention, because no one I know would even take your pocket change on principle alone.

The fact that you dare live and hobby in some of the most expensive areas to live, makes you look even more pathetic. You wear your bs like some badge of hobby honor, PREYING on women who might just have to do this to feed their children...sad. Every time you post this redundant bs, you are mocking the very girls that you have reviewed..again, bravo!



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That is totally reasonable and as I have said in the past, something I have done from day one. I have clients that still see me after 4 years, and I would never think of hiking my rates up for the men who have literally allowed me to get where I am at today. I started at 250, and am now at 600. The guys paying 250 back in 07, still pay that rate. Of course, the service is also the same though meaning one pop and no gfe, because I was not offering gfe at that rate to begin with.

I think you should make her an offer perhaps of a sugar daddy. For x amount a month, she sees you for x amount of time. Or, just ask if the new rate applies to you since you were in fact one of the first guys to take a chance on her. I never understood why providers hiked up rates on everyone vs. just NEW clients. In this situation, I think it is totally fair to pay the rate you started at, so just ask. If she says no, she is not worthy of your company. I have heard all the excuses about hotel rooms, not having time to see them at the rate, etc. but the fact is, that is NOT your problem she can't manage her business without hiking up rates for old clients.

If a woman wants to be low volume, not a problem. There is no law that says she has to see every guy at the old rate when she has guys willing to pay double that, but she can simply say "I will fit you in."  If I have a choice between making 600 from one guy or 200 from the other, I will go with the 600 FIRST, but that does not mean I would just avoid seeing the 200 dollar guy time permitting.

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Thanks... I thought about that... maybe a monthly stipend which I can redeem in the future for a set amount of time. The truth is I like longer sessions, to take my time. Our first session started with a 2 hour lunch and  ended with 40 minutes of release. Even then I felt that we should have had a bit more time to play but I kept my mouth shut. I typically like 60-90 minute sessions. But I'm not going to save like a squirrel so I can 'be  on the clock' when I can have more relaxed sessions for less with great providers.

I don't want to offend her but I feel as though this is my opportunity to set things straight for better or worse.

If she says no, then I would simply move on . Easy peasy!

Most providers ( the smart and compassionate ones ) don't try to suck up all of your time with yapping, drinking, and dinner, but then some do I guess. I read a review of a guy who paid 1500 for 2 hours and literally got only 20 min; of bedroom time, because she burned up HIS time with bs.

What is her rate and time requirement now compared to what you paid to start, if you don't mind me asking?

Is she wanting to charge 400 PLUS still make you pay for the room? I can't imagine getting a nice hotel for less than 150, so if her rate is 250 plus the 150, you still pay what you did from the start. If she is expecting you to pay 550 total, I would tell her you really like seeing her, but can't afford to do that.

Yup plus hotel. However we can get decent 2 1/2 star hotels for less than $100. Still I have so many options of decent providers who are GFE, non clock watcher, more attractive for less money (250 including room).  Like I said this is not a complaint of mine, merely a market observation. You stated your rate as high as $600 and based on reviews, website and pics I imagine it's worth every penny. But you, my lady, are an experienced courtesan, with years of experience, with a level of grace, attractiveness and service that will more than bear that price. This woman is a attractive, pleasant sex enthusiast who could one day be at that level, but for now she's still a newbie in the biz trying to make ends meet. The two in my opinion are not really one in the same.

Man, that's incredibly hostile, woefully illogical and draws broad, very inaccurate conclusions with very little data.  I refer you, madam, to the invisible hand of Adam Smith, who's theories are just as applicable here as in other free-market economies!  And, of course, one of the underlying conclusions to my syllogism is who cares what you think, there are literally thousands of other girls to chose from!

I guess sexism is just alive and well.

Adam Smith's theories are valid, but not in all and every situation, and when the market involves more than the commodity of flesh, but rather the personality and even mentality of the people under consideration, then mere math and theories no longer abide.

I think (and correct me if I am wrong London), that is what London is talking about.

See? Simple.

if you don't want a steak, go for a hamburger

For me....p*ssy is a luxury I most definitely need!!  LOL

If you want to really see how overpriced your lady friend in DC is London actually charges less than her per hour. I see you thought London's rate is 600 but its not. If anything she probably undercharges for a lady of her ratings. Crap, I probably shouldn't have said that since I've told her I'm dying to see her and I hope she won't raise her rates before I do lol.

Anyway, main thing is your DC lady does seem to overcharge quite a bit for someone who's a 5-6 appearance wise and eats up a lot of time with chatting. Granted, subs are not that common but I've seen posts for more established ladies that ask for that price or only a bit more but are not just average lookers. I'd say London is right, sounds like you're not that into her so tell her you can't afford her rate and move on unless she's willing to grandfather you in.

You keep spewing that BS on the boards, but it is only true in certain areas, if at all. First of all you say 900,000+ reviews here. How many of those are for ladies that are long retired or dead? How many are for for one hit wonders? This site has been around for a long time. The vast majority of those 900,000 reviews are worthless to anyone. Most of the reviews are no longer valid. A better number for you to use to try to prove your point would have been the 3700 "new reviews" which are for only the last two weeks.

The other thing you say are that there are "thousands of ladies" available! Where? In LA where you are, Maybe. How about if you are in Bumfuck Nebraska. I'm not in Nebraska, but I am in an area where there are literally about 20-30 providers, and of those only 3 that I would willingly pay to see. Sure as hell does not sound like a "buyers market" to me. Of the three, one of them is way out of my price range, but it sure seems like she is getting the rate she wants from others. I'm not about to attempt to "negotiate" with her. And I'm sure not going to negotiate with the other two, and get on their ignore list which would leave me with zero choices. Buyer's market? I think not!

then receives a request for a full price hour or a multi hour meeting for double, triple, and/or substantially more than what she is getting from you but she has accepted the date with you and has to turn down the "mo money" date, is she going to be on her best performance with you knowing in the back of her mind she could have made double or triple what she's making right now?

I'm not saying what's right or what's wrong, but what is reality?

what's your point babe? I priced myself out of the bottom feeder market for a reason. I am not one of your wanton, needy, morons who is "stuck" anywhere. I am the TOP poster on TER for a reason...I don't have to work every day or even every week lol. You're a self entitled, predator to put it mildly and every time you put your finger tips to the keys on your puter, you prove how pathetic you are even more. Keep searching for those "poor girls who can't pay the rent," so you can get your cheap nut, since you can't find any woman dumb enough to fk you for free lol. Inaccurate assumptions about you? I think not honey...they are dead on! No data? Your every typed word is all the data one needs to see right through you.

Every time you post your infantile drivel you fail to realize just what kind of chaos you're creating for the women you have reviewed. Now, every cheap ass like you is going to assume they too can get a discount from the women you have so blindly outed in a way. I will be sure and let them know why that is for you lol.

Sorry to disappoint you Fish, but I didn't get that deep into it when I posted ha ha. I was basically saying he is a cheap ass predator who is too stupid to realize his actions confirm my theories about him. If a guy has to go around looking for needy hookers who are so down on their luck they HAVE TO offer a discount, he has basically said we are nothing more than a cum dumpster, and he could care less how many d*cks we have to suck. Luckily, guys like him would never be stupid enough to contact me ha ha.

I invite this fool to post his drivel on the GD where it belongs, but he would be tossed on his ass there and he knows it ha ha.




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by forgetting the very guys who started seeing me at 250. If not for THEM, I would not be able to sit on my ass and post on TER all day long, now at a rate that allows me to see 2 guys a week and be done with it lol.

This is why you see so many women, even on review boards, who refuse to see career hobbyists. I can't tell you the number of PMs I got from women in Cali, applauding my post. Seems this guy is yet another village idiot.

Not necessarily the best examples. A gas station's prices are dependent on the cost of gasoline. In almost any service industry prices are set by supply vs demand. A provider raising her rates based on demand may certainly do so... she's entitle to charge as much as she wants. But she won't likely keep long term customers. I happen to believe some of the best providers out there enjoy seeing and keeping some of their best clients.

and she will stop...eventually.

Some people have the patient to work up to 600. I don't, so started my rates accordingly (600, 2hr min), and marketed to the clients that want and appreciate that kind of service.

I'm also a newbie, but to the men I see, reviews and such don't really matter. The market seems to be bearing my price just fine. Even more since I started my blog.

London doesn't have  "grace, attractiveness and service" because she has years of experience. She's just a fabulous person. Some for a lot of ladies. Your "seniority" getting to dictate your price is only something that happens on TER (and other review boards).

Especially since I'm working more and more in the "word of mouth" circles. You need to respect the clients that vouched for you and brought you into their network. I think grandfathering is a way to show that appreciation.

I read all of what you said, and agree. My mind just got stuck on that one part. How creepy. You try to book an appointment with a woman, only to find out she isn't alive anymore. What?

there is a certain review board that we rely on here, and it is used by career hobbyists and cheapo whoremongers to spew misogyny and bitterness into the internet. If you charge over 300 an hour, you're a pretentious bitch. 300 is considered HDH there. LOL, I wonder what I am....

We have to deal with more bargain hunters and bad clients out here. People seem so much more respectful in places like Chicago and New York.