You alllll keep saying stick with well reviewed women... BUT everyone has to start somewhere...

Even hobbyist were a "newbe"at some point,
We as providers..didn't count you out as a fake or a a non payer... we just use more caution. and screened well.

Hell, Imma great fuck, and take pride in what i do... a non review says more than a bad review in my book.

Some of us "" are good women, And has seen numours clients... Yet still no review...

So please for the sake of the "newbes" can you old timers please stop saying "stick with the well reviewed providers"

it not only gives us girls who are trying to provide a better service a bad rap, It strays men away.

Everyone has there time .. GEE.

for us clients and the best way to keep newbies in the hobby, IMHO. I know for a fact there are great providers out there that ask for no reviews but for newbies the best advice I can give them is to stick with well reviewed ladies.

Why?

What are the odds a newbie sees and non reviewed lady and his experience turns out bad or not what he expected? Very high.

What are the odds a newbie sees a very well reviewed lady and his experience turns out good? Very high.

Odds are much greater their experiences (to begin with) will be great with someone well reviewed than a lady that has no reviews (B&S scams are everywhere). Sorry but that is just the nature of the hobby. I would never advise a newbie to see a provider who has no reviews, ever especially if he has come to TER. That is what this site is all about.

Now when he builds up his experience and gets to know other hobbyists through online sites they can then get references from others on a girl that might have no reviews. Until that time comes newbies should stay away from non reviewed ladies. Use TER, that is why it is here.

Providers can talk all they want that their "service" is great but with no reviews in the end it is all just talk for a newbie. Reviews help a great deal to weed out the walkers from the talkers.

Yes providers need to start with someone too and there are those out there willing to TOFTT but the ones best qualified to TOFTT are hobbyists with experience under their belt, not a newbie looking for a good time.

I have had the pleasure of posting first reviews here for three ladies.  Two had already been reviewed on local boards and one had been advertising on Craigslist.

All three turned out to be 10 performers, the only ones I have so rated.  Consequently, I do not always limit my search to those who are "well reviewed".

Tell you clients that you would appreciate a review here.  Just be sure they do not use your computer to log on to their TER account.

Why the angry emoticon?  Have you looked at where you are posting this?  You are on aboard that exists as a place to post provider reviews! Can you honestly expect most of the guys who are here NOT to recommend seeing women with reviews.

Now, that being said I will add that BOTH of my ATF's have no TER presence at all and do very well for themselves. Any lady can.  Every guy that pays for sex is not a TER member. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority are not.  

Still, if you are on this site you have to expect the "old timers" to promote the company line.  Newbies come her for advice.  We are going to tell them whatever it is we tell them based on our experiences.

Without being condescending, I think you need to calm down.  This board & that advise is for newbies...  Newbies who get ripped off or scammed their first time out are not going to be around to be your customer!  
Reviews surely DO count but so does participating on the boards & especially this board & your local board.  This lets us get aquainted and gives us more information to balance reviews (or lack of) with.   I don't try a lot of new friends, but my most recent 2 have been from TER.  
If does seem to take a while to get that first review...  once that appears in NEW Reviews...  it seems to get easier.
Best Wishes,  Bella,
skb
(9 TER reviews)

For the newbie board, sticking with well reviewed providers is good sound advice.
I have said before that a newbie should not TOFTT. There will be plenty of time for that when one gets some experience under their belt.

Your frustration is showing. Be patient and you will eventually get those reviews. It may take weeks or months, but they will come.

experience so that he can develop the gut instinct that will tell him to walk (or run) away from a scam, sting, or skank, he should lean on his brothers' experience via the reviews.

There is a large number of us who seek out new or unreviewed providers for the variety, but we have been at it for a long time usually, and can trust our instincts.  Even then, some of get burned occasionally.

Similarly, an unreviewed or underreviewed provider should target the experienced hobbyist with her ads and marketing, not the newbies.  The experienced hobbyist will typically be more understanding of the screening process, not do stupid (LE alerting) things approaching the incall, and will have the references and history to bring a comfort level.

I understand the frustration, but you should know that patience is something you HAVE to develop in this hobby.

Good luck

DC.

I can see how this can be frustrating, and it’s the other side of  the “I need references” issue for the newbie Hobbyist. Blanket statements that offer general advice to help save the uninitiated from trouble can be very helpful to new members. It’s like telling a child “don’t touch the hot stove”, that’s pretty general. It  doesn’t include exceptions to that rule like "don’t touch the hot stove unless you are using a pot holder”. It’s just easier to give the short and direct answer and as time passes the exceptions to the rules are learned.  But generalities can have negative effects. Yours for example.

One thing I think is helpful is having a board presence, especially on the board that’s local to you. Having a board presence can show a lot about a person, and in turn that presence can overcome the "only see reviewed providers" guideline.  PLUS, I would doubt that LE would spend that much time keeping up a board presence over an extended period of time. One of the reasons for the “only see reviewed ladies” generality.

Here’s a personal example of what I‘m trying to get across. There was a new lady who appeared on the TER boards some time ago. Her posts showed her bright personality, her intelligence and her playfulness. She certainly attracted a lot of attention. She became a fairly frequent poster and her posts revealed a lot about her. At that time she had one TER review, and it was not a very good one which can be worse than having none at all. To make a long story short, I (and several others) contacted her, she explained the reason for the less than stellar review (it was a case of YMMV) and we had a wonderful time. And positive reviews started coming in. In a little over a year she now has over 2 pages of very positive reviews.
So a presence on TER can overcome the lack of any  reviews. It’s not a sure thing but it can’t hurt..


I know that this is no magic fix to your conundrum, but I hope it helps.

Good luck

C_K

It really is too bad that it has to be so difficult for a newbie provider to get a rep.  Mostly it is an LE problem, I feel.  As a newbie, I don't have the instincts to detect a sting, and I can only know you through your reviews.  Whereas you as a provider can easily verify the hobbyist to be fairly certain he is not LE.

So, unfortunately, it is still good advice for newbies to see only well-reviewed providers.

ooo I made that mistake a few weeks ago. I asked a regular to post a review, and he was the only one I use incall service for. (long time regular)
anyway..I am still here..but I think they understood that it was an honest mistake..Thats why now, I dont ask anyone to review. The one time I did, It bite me in my butt..lol...

NEVER LET HOBBYIEST TO USE YOUR COMPUTER TO LOG ON ...


b

that if you stick around and develop a board presence, you too will become a well-reviewed provider. The thing is that those first reviews are not going to be coming from the newbies on this board. They will be coming from the well seasoned hobbyists on your local board. When you start getting those positive reviews, you will then be among the ladies that we are telling the newbies to be contacting.

So get involved on your local board, and on the general board, as well. Guys will start to wonder about you, phone calls will be made, and your reviews will come.

I am not frustrated, at all. because i understand how everything works and the business, And am smart enough not to base my lively hood on " the hobby" I was simply stating my opinion and thoughts . I understand both sides... I was simply stating its not fair to a provider that the hobby feels newbies arent safe..I have even read many times about the new hobbyist trying to find a provider and providers wont see them. And they are frustrated. This hobby is yes hard, and frustrating, But at the end of the day... Gentlemen need to understand that providers are learning just as well. and that Hobbyist arent perfect 10's EITHER.  
Gee.. its to bad we cant rate hobbyist...

Its just like your wife... sooner or later... your gonna try something new

So give us new people a brake.

see unreviewed ladies in the past; but, not in my first few years of hobbying.  The ladies were unreviewed but not unknown because I had either met the ladies at a M & G or got to know them from their posts and PM's.

Sometimes you have to play the percentages.

Bella,

Hi.  I don't know you and I don't know where you are located.  I do hope that your reviews start to come in and your business takes off soon.

With that said, may I offer a bit of critical evaluation of this particular thread?

You as a new provider posting on this site do not have the same freedom to post exactly what is on your mind as, say, a client or a well-established provider.  I know this isn't fair, but it is a nasty fact.

We, as potential clients, can only evaluate you - right now - on the content and tone of your posts.  With that said, instead of disagreeing with a couple of people that are politely trying to tell you that you are coming across as "frustrated" or "impatient", you may want to read your post to see why they got that impression.  I was actually thinking the same thing to myself when I first read your original post.

Then, the way that you chose to respond to the comments didn't exactly soften the first impression - at least not for me.  When you post something like:

"Hobbyist (sic) arent perfect 10's EITHER  "

and ...

"Gee.. its to (sic) bad we cant rate hobbyist..."

here are my impressions.

She is telling her potential pool of clients (ie. me) that we aren't too attractive and we couldn't handle the truth about our sexual performances.

While this may very well be true - and probably is - a good business person knows that the customer is always right.  Even when they aren't.

This is simply a "hobby" or a social/sexual outlet for clients, so we can be a little loose with our words and our public personas.  But providers - and especially new, unreviewed providers - kind of have to filter their thoughts to please the market.  Not fair, but true.

Hey, I am a big proponent of providers speaking their minds here.  I actually enjoy some of the harsh ranting, as long as it has the ring of truth and is well written.  Hell!  I even read MacDaddy's posts for insight!  If I can learn something from the safety of my computer screen, I can stomach a few bruises to my ego.  Especially if I can laugh at the same time.

To tell you the truth, I sometimes get sick of seeing all the perfect response posts from providers to some clients' rediculous questions like: "Do you all really have multiple orgasms with all of us?"  But, that doesn't mean that I don't understand why they reply with the rote: "Yes!  You are all beautiful in your own way to ME!" posts.  They are helping their business.

For someone in your position, though, a angry-emoticon post coming off as frustrated and impatient is not a good start.  Followed with a response post that may have been accompanied by a smiley face, but came across as lashing back?  Not any better.

Finally leave the wives out of it unless the guys bring them up.  I'm not married, but if I was, I don't think I'd want to hear your thoughts about her.

With my luck, after you get your profile up here, I'll find out you are local to me and my perfect Dream Lady.  And I have just burned my bridges like Sherman marching to the sea.

{sigh}

Good luck.  You are in the right place to learn how to do this all correctly.  There are some smart and helpful people here.  Simply let them help you.

{Please take this as well-meaning thoughts and not an attack}

Final follow-up thought.  If you feel the need to vent a little frustration, you may consider using an alias.  First, be sure to read TER's stated policy on dos and don'ts of aliases.  But then, when you want to blast the world, let 'er rip with a well-written alias vent.  They can be fun to read - in a sick, twisted sort of way.



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And Bella, all of the replies here were meant to help. Believe that, and all will work out.

It wasnt a attack, Its the truth I am not mad nor bitter... I do not pour smoke to make people feel better... Honesty is so rare these days its refreshing...when someone is.
I read your reply in full.... And yes i can agree at sum points... At others not so much.I love my clients... and from the looks of it... they love me. I wouldn't change them, Nor the process. I welcome all types and people . I just dont like certain things about the way things work like why do when have to be perfect 10's... yet men dont see there faults. Whats good for someone may not be for someone else. What someone isnt good at.. someone else is. You a man honestly say they are top tens... ? not so much...

Just being honest.. And after all isnt that what a bored is for ?

Just a opinion... without the hoopla and fluff & sugar coating

It is so funny that I was having this conversation with a friend of mine just this morning.  I was revealing to her my disappointment that as of yet I have no reviews inspite of having amazing dates.

I want to thank everyone that has taken the time to respond to this very compelling post.  You all have answered alot of questions for me and also given me so great information.  Thank you!

It just occurs to me that this last few month has been like working really hard to loose weight by eating all the right things and doing the exercise.  However, that blasted scale is not moving in the direction I want it to fast enough.  Especially since I know how deligent I have been in sticking to the program.  A period of time goes, I am remaining consistent and doing my very best.  And then, all of a sudden, the fruit of my labor appears.  WooHooooo - that cursed scale finally moved.  NOTE:  I am cracking up in my head because today I cracked my plateu...lol.  

I hope my analogy made sense.  At the end of the day, everyone has to walk their own journey.  It is unreasonable for me to compare myself to the well established ladies that have had to go their own journey with their own frustrations.  I encourage you, as I have to encourage myself, just take one day at a time and don't stress over what you have no control over.  I believe, as I believe for myself, that your first reviews is not that afar off.

In short, take a deep breath and know you are not alone.  Hang in there and enjoy the journey.  You are in my thoughts.

L-

aww thanks lexus.. someone understands where i was comming from I wasnt trying to be rude to Anyone.. Just expressing some thoughts... If it came out wrong to anyone... please excuse my typing hands... they ..like my tounge- have a mind of there own.  

Please email me if ever in need !

I can't stress that enough.  Also, you'll have lulls (like me right now heh) where no one reviews you for a long period of time.

The TER guys are the best ones to start with.  Make a presence here and keep posting!!!  Once they get to know you, they'll want to see you more and that will make them take a chance on you.

Good luck!!

PS - PM me privately if you want, I had a suggestion about your website.  

There's a lot of genteel and chivalrous freshman hobbyists that have to overcome the hurdle of being vetted before many providers will see them.

Well we are not talking about a seasoned player. The new guys does not have the smarts yet to spot a con. This is reason why seasoned players should be left to try out the new ladies