Many UTR's are ladies that start out as indie or agency gals but eventually decide that they have either enough regulars, or even more than they want, and go underground.  Most of the time this means pulling reviews, stopping advertising and taking down websites.  Both of my regs are currently UTR but I met them both years ago when they were advertising on TER.  I have recommended a potential client or two over the years but, to be honest, both seem pretty content with seeing a client or two a week or even going weeks without seeing a client at all. UTR quite often means "part time" as well.

In my experience finding these ladies is, as others have said, more a case of them finding you. Contact is word of mouth either from other ladies or from trusted clients.

Kind of curious. I just learned the term "UTR" (under the radar) and I'm intrigued. How does one find them? Word of mouth or providers recommending their friends, I imagine, yes?

When the time is right for you, my son, it will all be clear...

And, of course. a spotless reputation.  As noted already, you don't find them, they find you.

Swim

As you say, it may mean only finding out about them thru back channeling. PM relationships are invaluable in this biz. You find girls that don't exist thru the usual means. But that means really trusting the guy you are pm'ing with. Developing a network of guys from all over the country, or at least in your neck of the woods is huge. But you need to give info to get info but being new u might not have that much to give but everyone starts out that way. If you plan to be in this biz awhile start building your network and learn from it. Follow the guys that post on the GD board that seem to know a lot. Most guys will react positively to your pm, but some won't respond. But for now, stick to the highly reviewed girls with many reviews whose reviewers have many reviews. That's the key for success for a newbie, not utr girls.

Now if he said:

I have some questions please call me its regarding my safety and laws maybe you could help me out?  [email protected]

So that was no intention of sounding like Yoda...or Jedi.. or whoever..

Two were from MPs, and after seeing them for a number of years regularly, I asked them if they would like to meet off campus, and we exchanged phone numbers.  I still see those two gals.  One for over twenty years, the other for around 15 years.

The other two were gals whom I met when a regular provider introduced them to me in a threesome situation.  We again exchanged phone numbers and saw each other for a number of years, but they have since moved and I have lost contact.

There was another gal I met who was an active provider but retired, but still saw me and a small number of her former regulars for a while, but she too moved away.

Honestly, what a pussy Curl. Zero respect for him and that organization. Can you imagine Curt Schilling or Derek Jeter or any "winner" shutting down just weeks before the play-offs when he himself said he was healthy and he MIGHT get hurt? Total fkin pussy.

I didn't necessarily liked it.. or agreed with it.. But it is what it is.. It was the bullpen that killed us last year, and this year Nats acquired Rafael Soriano in off season... We will see how that works..

We will see if it serves him in the longer run or not..

Imagine if he demanded to play. Davey couldn't have done shit about that. The pr nightmare would have been a disaster for the organization. They were in a position to win a World Series and he pussied out Curl. If he was so worried about his arm he could have had a delayed start to the season, sat him for a few weeks, etc. They pitched him in the all star game! They pitched him after a 45 minute rain delay late in the season! What a bunch of bullshit Curl.

But here is the thing.. No one expected Nats to be the best team in the league, not just NL If Nats were the Yankees or the Cards with sure shot of making to playoffs, they would have delayed his start for sure...

Shutting him down just before the playoffs. They could have sat him in July or something other than what they did. In sports history I have never seen a player sat because they felt he MIGHT get injured. That is affront to the game and a testament to that player and organization. It is the ultimate losers mentality so fearful of the next thing around the corner. They may never be in that position again, and when you are that close you go for it with everything you have imo.

during the All Star Break, and reinstating him again in play offs.. But oh well.

It's all discovered through word of mouth.

Thanks, BPM, for the useful feedback. Yeah, I doubt I'm ever going to be a real high-volume "hobbyist", at least not until I can use the word "hobbyist" without putting it in quotes.

I'm just dabbling, and it's fascinating and exciting, this whole world going on behind the scenes. But I think I'll stay in the sunlit world Over The Radar for now.

That said, I *am* an explorer...

Yes, word of mouth, referrals from other ladies and gents, etc. Many women are in a network of a group of hobbyists, and only see those guys.