I notice many escorts mention on their website that the screening form must be used for verification.  

However, there have been many instances that I have contacted ladies through P411 and they accept the appointment even if I didn't fill out their screening form. Other ladies respond to refer to their site.

Problem is the details are not explicitly mentioned on the site. i.e. "you MUST fill out form P411, Date check isn't enough..."  

What gives?

as guys have been brainwashed to believe that strict screeners are somehow safer to the client than other women.  

The fact of the matter is that like you, I too have simply contacted a lady through P 411, usually via PM rather than the "appointment request form" that guys are directed to use, and over 90% of the time, I will shortly thereafter see where she has checked my profile and we are good to go. No muss, no fuss.

On the rare occasions that I am asked to provide more screening information I take those requests (or demands) as they come. If I don't feel like I am going to be asked to jump through too many unnecessary hoops, I normally comply, but if I am instructed to fill out her insipid little screening form or get any other "demands" to do things "her way" that's usually the last she ever hears from me. I don't even bother responding at that point as I already know we won't be a good fit.

There are certain types of escorts that have more strict requirements than others. It seems it's the "high end" with high rates, booking assistants and busy schedules. Granted, they usually are closer to 10's ( looks-wise) but like you I don't jump through hoops as you say either. Fuck that!  

Website forms do make it less likely I'll contact them. I just wish there was more clarity on their site.  

btw, not fair. you can get away with just a PM easier than most as most ladies probably know who you are.

 

I don't mean that I send them a PM through the TER PM system, but that I send them a PM through the P 411 system which doesn't give me any advantage because of my big mouth on the TER boards.

Website forms don't mean I am "less likely" to contact them, it means that if that is the only form of contact they will accept, it puts the chances at absolutely ZERO. I have NEVER, and I will NEVER fill out one of those insipid forms. Kind of a pet peeve of mine if you hadn't noticed. lol

I don't know what constitutes a "hoop" in your mind (other than being required to fill out boring forms lol) but many ladies have them for the exact same reason you won't use them: these providers also know that if someone is unwilling to dance to her tune, that they will not be compatible.  It's just another way of weeding out those who aren't for them.  

It would truly make this activity much smoother, with less time wasted on both sides, if more folks who don't wish to fulfill a lady's requirements or requests would do as you and simply move on.  NEXT!  

Don't get me wrong: I usually don't mind and will respond politely to a simple inquiry regarding my screening requirements.  (I say "usually" because I admit there are those times when I've received a larger-than-usual amount of such requests in a given time period and I either don't respond at all, or reply rather tersely due to my exasperation.)

Quite frequently, someone will email or PM me to ask if I'll make an exception for him based on his OKs, Whitelists, reviews, posting history, or a combination thereof.  When I reply in the negative,  about half will leave it at that.  
The rest?  I've received many long messages either insisting that I don't need said info, with drawn-out explanations as to why he cannot/will not comply.  Others will lecture me on the dangers of what I require, with a few even getting quite pushy about it.  Some will try repeatedly, over the course of several months, hoping that I'll change my mind.  

I don't get it.  I mean, besides the psychology behind wanting what we can't have, it makes no sense to me.  I'm in an area with lots of provider options.  I don't have any illusions (delusions? lol) about my services and reputation: I'm not the hottest thing going, not the latest "it girl" that everyone has to see, so why not just skip over me and on to those whose requirements they do meet?  As you know, there really is someone (often many someones!) for everyone.

For the small percentage who are actually unable to meet my requirements I try to be patient and kind but it is still a waste of both their time and mine.  

Then there are those who fulfill the screening requirements but balk at my confirmation procedure (text me by a certain time on the day-of), for varying reasons.  
I don't think texting is unreasonable, and I'll try to work with you,  but this has been a deal-breaker for some.  
And that's ok! I've never given anyone a hard time for refusing to do what is uncomfortable or unfeasible for him, and I honestly do understand why some can't do this.  

So when a potential client tells me he can't/won't text as asked, I just reply that we cannot meet.  Simple, right?  
It should end there, but does it?  Rarely.  All too often, it gets ugly.  Or pathetic.  Which come to think of it, isn't very attractive either lol.  

GaG, I'm certain there are many hobbyists who, like you, don't waste time on providers who require what they will not do or give.  I just wish there were more.  

 
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of what i'm talking about.

if you only see clients through RS2k or P411 why do you have a screening form?

 

It's just a contact form, there for those who actually like using them, and yes there are those who do.  

Clients may also contact me via direct email or text.  The form is just there as another option, that's all.   Nowhere on my site do I even ask people to use it.

 
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Screening is a two way vetting method IMO. and the quicker we can either agree to be compatible with each other or move on the better. What really frosts me are those last minute hoops a woman throws up after the appointment is already set. If she lets me know in advance that she is a control freak, no harm no foul, I don't waste a single minute trying to book with her and neither one of us wastes any of the others (or our own) time.

I do agree that calling or writing to whine (and yes that is what it is "whining") about a woman's screening methods has to be as irritating to you as a woman who changes the rules in midstream is to me.

it is under the screening tab, right?

anyway, you do make it clear you require an ID that you will check. clarity is always better.

Unless I misunderstand, your requirements above and beyond membership in one of the two screening services is that a prospective client have references and provide real name with ID. As long as I don't have to go filling out forms and basically "applying" to see you, I don't have a problem with that as it's not me jumping through the hoops, assuming for the moment that I read your site correctly.  

I have dozens of okays on P 411 and I don't mind showing ID, if you are saying that you can do your research "based on" my okays, IOW you contact who you want without me having to do any work except provide my P 411 account, which comes complete with my okays, I wouldn't have any issue.

Where I am concerned, it's not the information you require that I consider "jumping through hoops" it's how much effort I need to put out to see you. If you are willing to do all the work, I don't mind pointing you in the right direction to check me out to your hearts content. OTOH, a provider who INSISTS on a "properly and completely filled out form" and tries to make me compile a list of references with names, numbers and websites for "her" convenience, that shit just aint gonna happen.

simply said, "I have # OKs on P411, and you may contact any of them for a reference", or "you can contact so and so and so and so for a reference". That would be dreamily simple.  Or even with whitelists here at TER. But that makes it really easy to contact the ladies- you just click a button, write a little note, and done! NO having to chase everyone down for websites and email addys.

ETA, as a matter of fact, I like that so much I may add that to my RSVP page.

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I am way too lazy to list the names and numbers of any providers I might want to use as a reference. I simply use the service I pay for in P 411.

I have to confess I book 90% of my sessions through P 411 so it makes things easy, but even if I contact a provider via some other source, this is usually the way I do things. Some women get back to me in a matter of minutes as I have dozens of Okays, others take a bit longer, either way is fine by me as long as the lady doesn't expect me to do all her legwork for her.

Actually usually the last sentence in most of my first email contact reads "please feel free to check out my profile and P411 okays and get back to me, looking forward to meeting you soon"

To all the newbies, this method has worked great for me, feel free to "borrow" my method if it appeals to you.

P411 or my website form will do. I prefer p411 because of the ease of verifying a guy. I like the website form because it saves me time of sending all the screening requirements via email. I don't expect every single field to be completed but I do expect the references or handles at least.  

... do this...  

Direct quote from your website...

"ATTENTION NEW CLIENTS: I will ONLY meet RoomService2000 and Preferred411 members.

No exceptions."

That pretty much narrows your demographics down A LOT! At that point... contact forms are worthless to folks who don't have membership to either one of those above mentioned websites.

No offense, but I think I know what  my screening requirements do for my potential client base quite well. LOL.  
But lots of my RS2K clients do use the contact form, as it makes it very easy to submit the necessary info that way.

Oh, and I also say on my site that RS2K members may use my contact form, but P411 members must contact me via the PM system.  

Those who aren't members in either?  Unless you're seriously considering joining one of those and have related questions, I usually prefer you not waste your time and mine by contacting me at all.  Doing so by any method is just plain "worthless" in my opinion.  LOL.  

 
It seems these contact forms really bother you.... but as you should have noticed and I've previously mentioned, I have alternate forms of contact.  

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... in my case. I would not even qualify to be screened because I would be automatically excluded because I am not a member of either one of those websites.

I cannot justify the cost of joining either one or both websites when I do not participate in the hobby often enough to make it worth my while. I am certain that there are many hobbyists that are in similar situations.  

I have a number of ladies who have whitelisted me (without me asking them) and have plenty of reliable TER references.

However, in your situation... all of that doesn't matter. No matter how good all of that stuff is... you don't consider it "good enough" for your screening purposes.

I know what you're going to say... 'There are other ladies out there.'  

Yea, you're right, but I don't understand your logic in requiring hobbyists only to be in those 2 exclusive websites. Isn't TER good enough for you?

I'll be more than happy to explain it to you.   As I do for the multiple people who ask me about that same thing every week.  

Send me a PM, email, or text message, as I don't feel like cluttering up the board with it.

 
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