So I've been hobbying for a little over a year at this point. I've had some great experiences and some less so. I've been with agency girls and independents.

I've reviewed many of the girls I've seen, though I don't think I've TOFTT so most of my stuff is positive and the one or two less-than-great experiences, I've invariably concluded, were exceptions to the rule for those girls (caught them on an off-day/night, I wasn't in the right frame of mind for that particular encounter) and weren't deserving of a negative review.

But, recently, while thinking back on my experiences (and, if I'm honest, while anxiously researching another independent provider to make sure she wasn't TGTBT or LE -- verified on DateCheck, no less!) over my (admittedly short) tenure hobbying, I thought "Man, I feel like I've been pretty lucky. I haven't had any run ins with LE or really bad providers."

But that got me thinking: I have no point of reference. While I don't spend a *ton* of time on these boards, I very rarely see anything written up about people getting snagged by LE. How often does it happen? For either Johns OR providers?

Apologies if there's an unwritten (or written!) rule somewhere saying not to talk about this stuff up here. I'm not asking for any personal stories, confessions or experiences. I guess I'm really just shooting the shit and wondering aloud.

After you've done your research, read reviews (from trusted sources, of course), checked the boards, using whatever other sites  you use, at what point does your ass un-pucker before knocking on the provider's door? How often do people get pinched, even after doing their research?

I am, of course, not asking at what point it's safe to become complacent, just wondering how many muscle relaxers are enough to keep me from over-stressing to the point that I can't enjoy myself.

I'd say that 90% of prostitution busts are street gals, and 9% are MP gals.

The frequency of busts of the BCD gals that we see is pretty damn low.

So quit fretting, take appropriate precautions, and go have some fun.

To answer your question directly. I guess its possible for girl to be working with LE if she has been busted and has decided to cooperate with them. However, I have not yet run into it or have seen any reports on TER of a respected provider doing it.

So the possibility, although exists in theory, is very slim.

Go enjoy your pussy now....Stop worrying..

As with everything in life there is risk involved. You got in your car and drove to see the ladies, correct? You risked getting in a car accident and possiblly getting killed. So, you manage the risk. You wear your seat belt, obey the traffic signals and rules of the road, etc. Same thing with the hobby. See only well reviewed ladies in high end hotels with large busy lobbies. Dont hang out in the lobby or the parking lot. Dont make yourself stand out to security i.e. blend in with the crowd. If you are extremely LE phobic and you want to to cut the risk further, do outcall (she comes to you). If you really are that stressed out about the hobby, I would suggest you get out. It should be a stress reliever, not a stress creator.

First of all, let me say that there are occasional threads here on TER, about or by someone who got busted. You won't see it on the newbie board or the general board, but occasionally on one of the regional boards or the legal board there is a thread.

There was one just last week on one of the regional boards, but it got taken down after a day. Speculation is that the poster might have asked for it to be removed due to advice from his attorney. True or not, I don't know, but definitly possible.

Now the reason you don't see more, is basic statistics. the number of people arrested for prostitution compared to the number of people engaged in prostitution is actually very minute. Also as others said, when there are busts it is usually geared to street walkers and parlors. There is an occasional bust of an indy, or LE posing as an indy, to sting and bust johns, but the numbers are very low. So while this activity does have risk, if you do your best to minimize the risk, your chances of getting caught are almost zero. Many of us have been doing this for many years and haven't come close to getting busted. Lucky? Perhaps, but more likely it's due to being calculating and cautious. But there is definitely no need to be paranoid.

As for statistics her eare some basic numbers. TER had 5300 reviews in the past two weeks. If that is average, then there are about 140000 reviews in the pat year. now ther eis no statistic as to how many encounters are reviewed but some ladies have said aobut 1 in 20 meetings get reviewed. If we use that number, then there were about 2,800,000 meetings, and this is only TER girls, which actually make up a very small percentage of this "hobby." If you add in all the non TER indies and agencies, the UTR ladies, the streetwalkers and massage parlor gals etc, there are many millions of trysts going on each year. According to statistics (link provided below) there were only about 60,000 arrests in 2010 (last year that the site had statistics for) Another statistic I saw said about 10% of arrests are clients and 90% are prostitutes, so that  would mean about 6000 clients arrested in one year out of millions of "dates." So the odds of getting caught are statistically very small.

I have kept my hobbying to major metropolitan cities and have seen mostly independent escorts.  If you do your research on TER and they have been well-reviewed (or reviewed by people who have good reps as far as reviewers on this board), then you hedge out most of that risk.  There is a whole other risk factor as far as whether she is as hot as she actually appears to be or as hot as the reviewers say she is, but as far as LE is concerned, there is just not enough payoff for LE to expend the resources to bust one independent girl.

LE is, by and large, more concerned with larger organizations and agencies.  And generally that's only if there is something else going on with the agency that brings concern, such as complaints from neighbors if they use a static incall place, or if drugs are involved and are being supplied by the girls or the agency.

There is no foolproof way, of course, but TER is a great resource to start with, and an even better resource when you can get plugged in and leverage the back channels of PM and email to communicate with specific reviewers and clients who are plugged into the scene.

I get lots of intel from a handful of clients I correspond and share info with on email.  But realize that is a two-way street.  You don't get into someone's inner circle with that level of information simply by asking.  You have to demonstrate that you know that info is a two-way street.  You have to be plugged in yourself and be able to provide info and intel on girls that I don't know about if you want to hear about stuff in NYC from me (as an example).

Good luck.

A few years ago, a popular Chicago provider was busted & flipped by LE, which led to a string of arrests.   For those of you who've been on the board for a while, you might remember this incident which spilled over to the GD Board.   I did a search on the Chicago Board & found the thread.  See post below & link to thread.  From Feb 2009:
 

I know of the regional board you speak (where the person had posted a thread about his situation).  Indeed, it was recommended it was in his best interest to have the post removed and it was.

of getting into trouble vs. only seeing 10. I agree that starting to lack on screening, leads to issues so I have never done it. There have been times I was tempted years ago, to see guys because I wanted the money, but I quickly adopted another thought process. Is the 600 right now worth the 10 percent bail money and the arrest record later? Nope!

What kinda yield are they gonna get out of this?  It's a fucking misdemeanor at best and usually it's a ticket and you are released on your own recognizance (no jail time, no nothing--just a fine, and a good lawyer can usually make it all go away).

This is a bullshit story.  No fucking way that cops flipped her.  If she set up other guys, it was for some other reason.

You guys seriously cannot believe this shit, can you?

Your question restated:  Is it believable that a police officer can scare, bully and manipulate a 22 year old girl?   Yes, it's quite believable.  --z  

How many guys did they attract and bust?  For a misdemeanor that results in a citation where they are released on their own recognizance?

There is something missing to this story.  Like glaringly missing.  Maybe there were drugs involved.  Maybe they were trying to get a specific guy who was a client of this girls.

Like I said, it doesn't add up.  Cops aren't gonna spend resources trying to bust a handful of guys unless there was some real reason to.

but it happened in my town a few years back.

In a smallish town, word spreads fast about escort activity. The mayor has to "do something about it" to protect his image, so every once in a while they will run a sting, publish a few pictures of the johns in the local newspaper, and get the press to run a few articles about how this administration is "cleaning up the city". The "yield", aside from the political crap, is that they figure those published photos will discourage activity at least for a while. The cops don't want to eliminate it, some of them are the bast customers. They just want to drive it back under the radar so Jane Q. Public doesn't complain about it.

Anyway, during one election year they "flipped" a young girl who had a website and was making a name for herself locally. Around the same time they also brought in a very hot chick who had been busted in a town 50 miles away and had her working the street in tight leather pants, along with an undercover cop from the same area. She was fcking hot!!! I almost got caught I was on may way to my regular poker game on a Friday night and I saw the both of them, and I knew they were working. I ALMOST turned around to go get BOTH of them and bring them home, I had about a grand in my pocket for the game and I was envisioning a big party. But I talked myself out of it and went to play poker, and on Monday I read about the sting in the paper...

whew  

If you're talking about a town the size of Charming, CA ("Sons of Anarchy" reference), then I can see this happening.  Because what else are they gonna do with their time?

But in a major city...no fucking way.

And the OP didn't say where he was from.  Still sounds like horseshit to me (his experience, not yours).

They bust provider, and that day she books appts. where they can then bust the guys as the walk in. Just happened 3 times in Baton Rouge last year. They set up an apartment and just busted the girls and guys as they came in. Now, that was all within a 12 hour period mind you, so weeks later I have never heard of that happening, but never say never. Cops can do what they want, and it's not a misdemeanor if the provider gets them to bring drugs is it?

I don't know about "THIS" story, but I am telling you busts go down like this all the time. Sometimes there is a specific guy/target they have in mind, and other times it is during elections, and they just want massive busts for media attention to look as if they are working lol.

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Usually they aren't busting an indie girl.  It's a static incall or an agency, as I said, and typically it's prompted by something else, like reports of drugs or reports by neighbors of guys coming in and out all hours of the day and night.

Are you telling me that in Baton Rouge they are doing this to indie girls?  Was it at a static incall?  Or was it at a hotel?  Did other guests at the hotel complain?  I just don't believe that this happens to random indie providers who work outcalls or have a low volume of guys who come to their incall places.

The one and only time I got in any sort of LE issue was when I went to a bodyrub place in LA.  Girl was running late, and I kept buzzing the buzzer after calling (waiting five minutes in between).  Finally, the girl picks up and says to come up.  I open the door, and there is LE busting the place.  They pull me in, question me, take my business card, and then let me go with a warning.

Seems like they were interested in busting the owner of the place, not so much the johns.  They certainly didn't set up a sting operation to get clients after that, either.  The place shut down, and the cops applied pressure to the girls to give up the owner.  That's it.

CS: you're trying very hard to convince yourself that you can't get busted.   You sound like you're in complete denial about the risks you're running.   Every time you meet a provider, particularly a new provider at her incall, you're rolling the dice.  

In regard to Daley Lane's post, I see a damaged young woman trying to make amends.  You're claiming she made everything up, yet you don't have a shred of evidence to back up your claim.  In addition to LR's post, I'd add that the police often manipulate young providers through threats & intimidation.

A 20 year old provider that I used to see was busted by LE.  She was on P411, had reviews, etc.  The arresting officer threatened to tow her car if she refused to let them search it.  She foolishly gave consent & they found a marijuana butt & roach clip in her ashtray.  So they tacked on a drug possession charge in addition to the prostitution charge.  She then spent a hellish night in the county lockup.  Bad shit happens.  If you can't handle these risks, then you better get out of the sex trade.   --z  

I think what you are talking about is about as remote as a shark attack swimming off the beach.  Now, you are telling me that this is more like the area off Johannesburg, South Africa, and I'm telling you that this is more like the beach in Malibu, CA.

I am not in denial.  I just know the risks and the rewards, and LE in NYC isn't gonna give a flying fuck about an independent provider.  I know NYC pretty well.  I know LA pretty well.  I know SF pretty well.  LE doesn't spend time busting indies like this.  Where are you located?

Let me rephrase what I said.  I think Daley Lane left out some important details.  I don't think it was as innocuous as some random client showing up and her making some random appointment.  I think some other things were involved, and that's why LE got involved.  Whether that be complaints by neighbors, reports of suspicious activity, or narcotics...something got left out.

I've been doing this 20+ years across several major metropolitan areas.  If you think I don't know how this works, you are fooling yourself.

If you are foolish enough to believe a provider's version at face value without questioning the reasonableness of that...you are the foolish one, not I.

Maybe you should stick to the SBs you have.  That's a different ballgame, perhaps one you know better.

Seriously, if this is even a risk, then go back five years and point out to me ONE indy provider that got busted by the police and then got turned.

They contact them from BP, have all the women go out and then bust guys as well as anyone who drove them there. It was on the news a few times, and funny as shit. One girl was an Army Brat...another a damn RN! Who the hell shows their face on BP hooker ads with a degree? Morons.

When you say BP, that makes more sense.

And when you are saying a static outcall, that doesn't apply to me.

Of course, your boy Zangari thinks I'm fulla shit, but you know...he should stick to being a SD.  That's more his speed.

I said INDIE escort.  You go back to 2011 and point me to an agency.  Good job, bucko.


Signed,
Half a Brain

You cannot point to the very example that is the basis of what we are arguing and use that as an example.  The whole issue started because I think this Daley Lane case is bullshit.  I'm arguing it didn't happen the way it was depicted on this thread.  And you are arguing it did.

And now you wanna use that as an example?

The best example outside of this is a 2011 case where you point to an AGENCY.

Like I said, you don't understand the escort/provider thing at all.  Stick to SBs, which might be more your area of expertise.

The SB/SD thing is relevant, because you are showing that you take everything a girl says at face value.  SDs have a tendency to fall for their providers, and that tends to suggest they will believe everything that the girl says.  You are painting yourself to be a good example of that.

Stick to SB land, and believe everything you hear out of a girl's mouth.

Did you not follow this thread?  I must be talking with a complete and utter fool.

You posted this:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=108202&boardID=33&page=#108202

I posted this in response:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=108231&boardID=33&page=#108231

So now you are going to use Daley Lane as an example to prove the very issue we are discussing?  You are insane.

Well, of course you are.  You're a SD.  You fall for the girl, so it's not out of the question for you believe everything they say.

You think Daley was arrested and that the circumstances were exactly as she said?  I'm guessing she had other issues beyond prostitution.  Maybe a drug charge?  Maybe some other felony?

Three undercovers aren't gonna show up and tell her to rat out clients.  Maybe she was running drugs and the cops went through all the numbers on her phone and got the clients.

This isn't shit that is likely to happen if you deal with indies that are well-reviewed and who don't have a history of drama and LE problems.

If you believe that this was purely just because of her being a prostitute, you are truly naive.

I was probably too harsh in reducing your SD status down to assuming that you believe everything they say.  I'm man enough to admit that was wrong of me to say, so I'm sorry about that.

I just don't believe that the Lane case was as simple and as straightforward as she depicted it.  As a guy who has lots of friends in LE, I can tell you that they just don't waste time on busting a single independent girl and then trying to rope in a few more clients and busting them.  These are misdemeanor charges at best, and so what is the yield they get from this?  How much crime have they cleaned up?  Especially when you are talking about three LE guys...undercover ones at that.

Yes, it's conjecture, but then your taking every detail she said at face value is just plain naive.  It doesn't add up.  Just because a girl admitted she was in part of a sting doesn't mean she said everything about why the sting occurred.  Perhaps she left out the fact that they were looking for something else, and that it wasn't just about the prostitution.  Maybe there were drugs involved.  Maybe she was working for an agency, and they were looking to bust the agency.  But she doesn't say this.  She makes it seem like she just was some innocent indie girl who got tricked into fucking over other clients.  It doesn't make sense for LE to hang out with her all day and control her phone.

I'm not slinging mud.  I'm questioning the reasonableness of what you just posted as FACT.  It is not FACT.  It is the word of unreliable provider.

Indies vs. agencies is a very important distinction.  An indie books her own appointments, does her own screening, and works ONLY for herself.  She doesn't book for anyone else, and she yields no control over her scheduling and booking to anyone.  That is a true indie.  An agency deals with more than one girl, and the girl who does the session is not the girl doing the screening or booking.  That is not an arbitrary definition.

If you work for an agency, you work for an agency, and you are booking through the agency.  If you are an indie, you are booking for yourself.  SB and escort I will yield is blurry.

But if Lane was being booked by an agency, don't you think that changes the entire context of the details?  I don't believe LE is gonna give a shit about one provider working independently with her own clientele.