then you need to stick to large bustling hotels with busy lobbies where you and others do not stick out.
There are a few tales on TER of people who were approached by LE on their way to or from seeing gals and intimidated as you suggest above.
The best way to handle such quesions is to simply refuse to answer by saying: "I'd like to assert my Fifth Amendment right to not answer any questions." Then ask if you are free to leave, and if he says yes (Or more likely, get lost and don't ever let me see you around here again.) take him up on his offer. Do not consent to a search if he should request that you do. He might take your cell phone or find and take the envelope.
He may however ask to see your ID, which in most cases you must furnish, which is LE's perogative. That could lead to calls to your home in some cases.
Hey everyone brand new hobbyist here. I'm aware that seeing well reviewed providers is a must and thats all I will see. My concern is about the idea of walking into a hotel/motel to see a provider. For example one of the providers I was keen on seeing and thats well reviewed works out of a motel where other providers work as well. Wouldn't it be very obvious to any observer that sees a man walking into that type of venue what hes going there for? Wouldn't it be very easy for LE to be sitting out in the parking lot and watching and start asking you questions on your way in or out?
I just have a fear of walking into a hotel/motel and being stopped/questioned by LE and coming off nervous/obvious....something like
Me: (walking into hotel)
LE: Hey there buddy who you seeing?
Me: (looking nervous guilty) a Friend
LE: Where you meet her? Lets not beat around the bush we all know what happens here. Don't get yourself in trouble
Me: ok... Then feeling soul crushed wanting to just not even go through with it..scared i'm going to be in the room and here some loud KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK POLICE OPEN UP
Also what about the hotel/motel staff, wouldn't it also be obvious to them whats going on? Couldn't they eventually tell LE whats going on at there business? I'm sure my fears are way out there, I'm definitely the worrying type. I'm sure this thread will be pretty lol for a lot of you. I'd just like to learn more about this type of concern from experienced hobbyist and providers.
then you need to stick to large bustling hotels with busy lobbies where you and others do not stick out.
There are a few tales on TER of people who were approached by LE on their way to or from seeing gals and intimidated as you suggest above.
The best way to handle such quesions is to simply refuse to answer by saying: "I'd like to assert my Fifth Amendment right to not answer any questions." Then ask if you are free to leave, and if he says yes (Or more likely, get lost and don't ever let me see you around here again.) take him up on his offer. Do not consent to a search if he should request that you do. He might take your cell phone or find and take the envelope.
He may however ask to see your ID, which in most cases you must furnish, which is LE's perogative. That could lead to calls to your home in some cases.
I don't know about others, but some of the excitement I derive from a session with the provider comes from the anticipation of the session itself, including that seemingly endless walk through the lobby where anything could happen. You might run into a friend, relatives, LE, or be confronted by the hotel staff. You could loose your wallet. Hell, your car could get stolen, the wife might see it in the parking lot, or it might not start when you return. The hobby has risks associated with it. You can minimize the risks, but not eliminate them entirely. Thats what adds to the excitement!
Don't think this hobby is for you. Move on, find another outlet for your desires, or just relax and enjoy.....
Swim
When I was a newbie, I had that exact same fear. More then 10 years later, I still have "fears", and they have kept me out of trouble a few hundred times.
The day when one becomes too lax and comfortable, is the day that he puts himself at risk.
and to some extent, we still do.
What's at issue is when the desire overcomes the fear.
What we all need to do is be sure that our rational mind makes sure that we have done the utmost to stay safe.
In other words: Think with the big head, not the little one.
Very good advice.
It might not be. I'm just learning as much as I can so I can access the risks rationally. Then decide where I stand with this hobby with the risk vs rewards.
The best way to handle such quesions is to simply refuse to answer by saying: "I'd like to assert my Fifth Amendment right to not answer any questions." Then ask if you are free to leave, and if he says yes (Or more likely, get lost and don't ever let me see you around here again.) take him up on his offer. Do not consent to a search if he should request that you do. He might take your cell phone or find and take the envelope.
And why is the envelope method the way things are done. It just seems incredibly obvious. (if found in any type of search)
Your fears are warranted.
When I am entering hotels, I do my best to simply blend in. One thing I like to do is to go online and look at the hotel. I like to know where the front desk is, where the elevator is, and where the exits are. If you look like you belong there, you will rarely (if ever) have an issue with the hotel staff.
If you are approached by LE, be polite to them but don't answer their questions. Just keep saying you are a private citizen and have done nothing wrong. keep asking them if you are free to go. If that doesn't work, ask them to allow you a phone call to your attorney.
Don't come out and plead the 5th on the street, lol. While that is not an admission of guilt, you are saying that you don't want to talk because you may incriminate yourself. If you are a citizen and had done nothing wrong, there is nothing to incriminate. Save the 5th for testimony that you will probably never have to give in a courtroom.
Lastly, stay away from the Perry Mason reruns.
Shut the fuck up, when approached by LE. If you go over to the Legal board and do a search you will find a wonderful speech by a law professor. It will give you all you need to know about dealing with LE. As far as hotels, you really want to stay away from hotels with outdoor room entrances.
Outdoor entrances let LE, sit in the parking lot and observe rooms. A few months ago in the BWI area this was how some ladies were busted. It only toook one client to flip when LE approached him in the parking lot. One last point, leave the freakin cell phone in your pocket when you leave your car, put the envelop in your pocket and don't bring the escort flowers. if you want to bring her a gift, get a VS gift card and stick it in the envelop.
That's how I learned half of what I know about law.
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Thank you for your reply. I've never done much research on dealing with the police. I've been watching a lot of the recommend clips and some others and I'm learning a lot. The idea of not talking to the police really makes sense to me now but I'm still confused on how that looks in practice. Example from before
Me: (walking into hotel)
LE: Hey there buddy who you seeing?
Me: (looking nervous guilty) a Friend
Should I not even be saying I'm seeing a friend? If I follow the advice from the don't talk to the police video would I be even better to just ignore him? What does polite without answering his questions look like? At what point do I become assertive and say "I'm a private citizen and have done nothing wrong, am I free to go?"
I've only been to a motel once, but it was a gal I'd already seen and knew to be cool and the motel was in her neck of the woods so I could be confident it was safe. Motels are much easier for a bust because LE can sit in a car and watch which room you go to.
Yeah this seems like a sure way to keep the risk very minimal if even existent.
you see only well reviewed providers. Because the only way you can get in trouble with the law is if... 1) You're caught in the act by entering the room of an unreviewed provider who turns out to be an LE decoy, or 2) You or the provider confesses to the cops what happened behind closed doors. Seeing a well reviewed provider eliminates #1, and #2 can happen only if one of you is ignorant of your right to remain silent.
The scenarios you imagine hardly ever happen to any hobbyists, let alone those of us who do our homework. But even if the unlikely happens and you do get stopped, know that if you keep your mouth shut, the cops will have nothing they can hold you for. Once you realize all this, your fears should become less consuming, allowing to relax and act like you belong there.
Thanks for the advice. I'm interested in learning more about the keep your mouth shut portion. If a police officer directly asks me a question do I just not respond and ask "am I free to go" How would you respond in this situation
You: (walking into hotel )
LE: Hey there buddy who you seeing?
You:
You: (walking out of hotel room)
LE
standing in the hallway seeing you walk out of the room) What were you doing in there?
your business at the hotel is exactly what it truly is, with one exception: money. There's nothing illegal about visiting a woman in her hotel room to have sex. It happens all the time in hotels. And it's no business of the cops to know about it. It's a private matter. You should respond to the cops' questions accordingly.
Q: What were you doing in there?
A: Tending to a private matter.
Q: What kind of private matter?
A: I'm sorry sir, but I prefer not to discuss it any further with you. Am I free to go?
even when I am in the room "in flagrante delicto" I am afraid LE will burst through the door at any second. That being said, I still manage to enjoy myself and a little fear should keep you careful. I go out of my way to fit in wherever I meet my provider, usually an upscale hotel. I make my appointments during the business day and wear a suit to fit into the lobby crowd. If I bring a gift, it is concealed in my pocket. If the maid is near my destination I keep walking and wait til she is out of the way.
if the worst case happens, STFU, you may still be able to recover. But if you open your mouth, you will incriminate yourself and your poor lady friend.
I would never meet a provider at a seedy motel.
I've linked the law professors "shut the fuck up" video that others mentioned and highly recommend watching the whole thing. I've made my teenage kids and employees watch it as well, good advice and entertaining.
Very good video thank you for this. Again like I posted to the other guys what does stfu look like in practice when asked a direct question from LE. Do you ignore it and keep walking? Do you plead your 5th amendment right?
COP: "Excuse me, LAPD, why are/were you in the hotel?"
ME: "I was meeting someone"
COP: "who and in what room"
ME: "we are both in committed relationships and no disrespect to you officer, but i decline to reply to protect my privacy and that of my partner"
COP: "if you dont tell me what room you were in, I will arrest you for trespassing"
ME: "No disrespect toward you officer, but I decline to answer any of your questions without legal advice, am I free to go?"
COP: "I need to pat you down to ensure my safety, is that ok with you?"
ME: "I don't consent to searches, am i free to go?"
COP: "alright asshole, you are under arrest for trespassing, up against the wall, what is this cash in the white envelope for?"
ME: "i refuse to reply without the advice of legal counsel"
COP: "we've been watching the girl in room 209 all day long, and know you were here for purposes of solicitation, If you help us make the case, we will let you go right now"
ME: "no disrespect to you officer, but i refuse to answer any of your questions without legal advice"
walk like you belong. Ask her how to get to the elevators, through the lobby & to the left.
I try to keep orientated in the building & I don't park near the main entrance but by a wing "card only" entrance / fire exit. You can always get out. Rather than take the elevator to the lobby, I exit through the stairwell, typically take the door to the main ground floor corridor & exit. If I have to switch wings, I do so on her floor or take he elevator down one. I think it makes it less obivious the time I am in there unless someone is watching security monitors constantly & has nothing else to do. If there was a murder in there, someone would review all the footage but lacking that, there is no reason to do so.
Typically LE does not knockon the door of a client / provider. There is nothing they can bust! LE needs one person in the room to be undercover LE. If you are not LE then you need to be sure as possible that she is not... by seeing well reviewed providers.
Nothing is 100% but this is as good as it gets.
It is helpful if ladies & clients are discreet & do not draw attention to themselves. I think Hotels often know a provider is there... but don't harrass the discreet. There are exceptions... but that is the lady's problem. A lot of times, a hotel will simply ask the provider to leave.
Hope this helps,
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Thanks for the reply. So LE can watch a room and see man after man entering and exiting but can't knock on the door and ask to come in? They can be fully aware whats probably taking place in the location but they can't knock on the door and question anyone? And all the men walking in and out can just be silent and plead the 5th if stopped?
If you see a quality escort whose donation is somewhere between $$$ and $$$$$ an hour, she won't have a revolving door on her room. Many clients book multiple hour appointments. Do the freakin math. Your imagination is starting to kick into over drive. LE has budget problems up the ying yang. Their budgets cannot even hadnle "normal" crime. They don't go around busting down hotel doors looking for escorts and clients. Yes, if someone, complains, like hotel management, they may come out and take a look. But quality hotels don't want their hotel name appearing in the newspaper article involving escorts. The hotel has other ways to get the escort to leave. Bottom line, see well reviewed providers, and you should be able to hobby for years to come without running into LE, unless you stop off at a donut shop on the way to a date. And keep your imagination in check. Otherwise, you might want to think of trying another hobby, like golf.
I, honestly, wouldn't put it past the cops to have one sleep with a number of clients over three months gathering names and then round them all up one day. It's not illegal for them to have sex with a suspect. Hell, it's virtually legal for them to do anything to find a crime (virtually, not actually).
If you're worried about it, then use your brain. As it was said, know the layout of the hotel. They're all really similar if you think about it a rectangle with the door on the long side, front desk on the right or left, elevators behind it or maybe down a hallway one or two steps behind the front desk. Just look like you belong, no one will know you don't, those places have 8 or 9 people checking guys in and out all day long!
As for the girl, well, if it's a sting operatoin, they almost certainly got a warrant to put cameras in the room anyway, so you're screwed, and not in the way you wanted to be.
Thank you and everyone else for all the advice! I've learned a lot about dealing with police from it. I know I'm coming off over worried and very hypothetical and thats mainly just to be aware of worst case type scenarios so I can learn the correct response for them in the very rare case they happen. Thank you again for all the wonderful information and happy hobbying.
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