Hello,

Would like to know if one needs to fill up contact form online to make a booking or send email/text asking for availability?

What is the procedure since I was curious if people provide their full name etc as required on contact form or is this only for people that do not have any Verification?  

Thanks,

I send an email to the provider instead of using the contact form. I never give my full name, but I have plenty of references.

I think it depends on not only if your a newbie or not but also on the ladies screening requirements, I've seen lots of ladies websites where it says you either have to have P411/ references and if not then you need to fill in all the questions to get verified by them, this is why I think it's better to get P411 because it opens up lots of ladies on the P411 website and most will take that without question.

...and if that is the only thing that she will accept then it's a deal breaker and I move on to someone else who also accepts emailed details

I have a screening form on my website. I am MUCH more likely to respond in a more positive way to someone who fills out my form rather than emailing me. Why? Well people who email me are trying to get free time from me, basically. It's extremely irritating and because I don't have a personal assistant, very time consuming.

It would be one thing if the person emailed me information such as preferred date, time, appointment length and screening info. But only 1% of people actually include those items. I'd say on average, with people who email me, I exchange 15-20 emails. Those nice folks that fill out the form, maybe 2 or 3. Because it's usually like pulling teeth. I have to send 1-5 emails just to get the person to send their screening information, then a few more to get them to give me some dates. All of this is just a form of entertainment and is in fact, wasting my time. It's plain rude and happens far too often.  

As to your second question, it depends. Some people will only fill in their first name if they have refs or P411. However, some gentleman will give their full name. I know the peanut gallery here will say they are foolish but I find it very respectful, that they hold my safety as a great concern. If you are a newbie and try to see a well established lady, it will probably be very difficult to obtain an appointment without giving your personal information.

It honestly depends on my mood that day, but generally I am not very thrilled with a man who can't follow simple instructions and provide ALL of the information requested in one email.  If I have to email back and forth 5 times to collect all of the information needed for screening, I'll certainly prioritize the next client who has no issue with filling out my form... and that's on a good mood day.  

My safety is a top priority, which includes knowing who I am spending time with behind closed doors.  I am extremely cautious, and without a P411 account it is highly unlikely we will spend time together without giving me your last name.  

Privacy (yours and mine) is a top priority as well, and we ladies have no interest in a gent's identifying information beyond using it for the screening process.

Some ladies will only reply if you fill out the form on her website. Some are ok with any type of first contact. There's a good chance that the lady you have in mind has that information on her site. I agree with previous replies that it makes a great first impression and makes the screening process much more efficient when a new client fills out the form. After all, we put them there for a reason.  
As far as giving a full name, I would say that the general consensus above is correct. Personally, I do insist on a first and last name for anyone who doesn't have references.

Because all those references are going to know which "John, Paul or Joe" is using him/her as a reference.

So, clear as mud?

There is exactly one woman in this world about whom you can authoritatively make that statement.

I do agree with the main points you are making. The safety and privacy of BOTH parties absolutely should be top priority for BOTH parties.

However, you cannot make this dangerous blanket statement and expect to be taken seriously. I'm sorry, but you should not make it here on the newbie board. Yes, I'm still very much a newbie myself, but even I can foresee danger for any total newbie who takes this at face value.

For me it's an important part of my screening but not the be all end all. Also most of the ladies I know  want the gentleman to have at least a few okays on P411. I also contact two of the gentleman's P411 okays. So your comment on taking a P411 profile "without question" is not true for me or many of the ladies I know. If a gentleman is a member with no okays, he will have to pass my newbie verification if he also has no TER reviews or provider references. And yes I will have a name regardless before meeting with a gentleman.

 I've been a member of TER since '05 and it's  always been that way with me.  I rarely get any pushback. Maybe it's because of the reassurance I give for a nervous gent whether a newbie or someone with reviews and/or Okays on P411. A voice on the phone does wonders to quell any fears a newbie may have.  

Steph xoxo

 

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minority, who may have an interest in a gent's identifying information beyond the normal screening process. It happens. Depending on a hobbyist's level of privacy, this could be a deal breaker.

Key point.

Many years ago, Providers used a much wider array of hosting sites. Not that any of those ISPs were disreputable but basically they had NO reputation at all. These were the days (not THAT long ago) when a couple of high school kids could set up an ISP in a garage, basement or even their bedroom.  

When submitting forms to such an unknown website, you really have no idea whose eyes are on it and the info; just the Provider or a bunch of pimply faced teens or Russian hoodlums handling her website?

The same applies to private email on such a small-time ISP email server, e.g., [email protected] . Those snot-nosed teens or saggy-pantsed thugs can read the emails of all of their clients, if they want to. (And it they see sexy pictures and escort ads on their server they might be so tempted.)

Private websites mixed with major email addresses (yahoo, gmail, etc.) seemed more secure to me. The employees presumably have training, warnings and threats of prosecution if they breach the confidentiality of someone's email without a legal warrant.  

Moving forward, there has been shrinkage in the number of tiny ISPs and the growth of business-like ISP that offer escort ad hosting services.  

Given all that, I am still very reluctant to use web forms and provide info via email.  

It's slightly clearer than mud, just not by much. Here's the general guideline, however: read the lady's website/ads and she'll usually specify how she wants to be contacted (website form, email, text, smoke signal, etc). If her instructions specify what particular info she requires for screening, it's safe to assume that that's the info you'll have to give her if you want to see her. If it's not clear what info she needs, then by all means ask her.  

I really can't stress enough the importance of reading her info. There are few things more frustrating than having to repeatedly direct someone back to a website since they couldn't be bothered to take two minutes to do their research. Equally as irritating is when we take the time to reiterate our screening requirements and someone contacts us anyway and tries to circumvent/talk us out of our verification protocol. Not saying that you're doing anything to that effect, just a general PSA for folks to be cognizant of that sort of thing.  

In terms of the full name thing (or whatever the case may be), some of us require that info regardless of what other verification info you have. I fall into that category, personally. Other ladies may not require such info as long as you meet certain other requirements, and some do little to no screening whatsoever. Unfortunately there's not an industry-wide standard, so you'll have to make that determination on a case-by-case basis.  

Hope that helps!

If I haven't gotten all of their screening info by the third email, into the jerk-offs folder they go!
 

Sometimes our roles here seem to get confused. The sellers are supposed to impress the buyers and make OUR lives easier, NOT the other way around.

I want a provider who respects my time, not one who wants me to spend my equally valuable time trying to make their life easier.

At any one time in Dallas there are at least a thousand different women available on P 411, I only have one dick. I am not really interested in trying to do the impressing, I want to BE impressed.

I don't mind in the least providing most of the information that most women request, but I am already "out" anyone with 30 seconds to spare can find out my real info. If you are not already OUT and you have any kind of marriage, job, etc that you could lose if some hooker goes BSC on you, I would be VERY loathe to give out any information that could later be used to blackmail you with.

and that message is that her time is more valuable than my time. That's not the message I want to be getting from a woman I expect to be showing me a good time at hundreds of dollars per hour.

I too consider it a deal breaker, I have seen literally thousands of hookers and I have yet to fill out a single form, nor do I ever plan to.

To the OP, if you don't feel comfortable giving out certain private, and potentially damaging information, don't be browbeaten into doing so.

I do have a contact form. In the form I have all questions and point out all I need in order to feel safe and make the date happen.  
If the gentlemen doesn't feel confortable filling the form... that's okay too.. they can sent me an email.... BUT I expect ONE email with ALL the information requested on my booking form.  
Then, I do my screening and set the date (if there's no issues).

I respect my clients time... but I also don't want to spend lots of time emailing/texting/chit chat... when we can instead meet face to face and have a wonderful date.  

As a newbie, unfortunately you have to be willing to give more information. You can be a cop, a pimp, serial killer... and one date... is not worth my life, safety and future (and privacy in my civilian life).  

I don't really care about your personal life; as long as my time with you goes smooth and I feel safe.  

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While understanding a provider's concern for safety (and safety of providers to me is paramount as is privacy of hobbyists), the current need for providers to ask that much information from newbie's does not SEEM to be as effective. Why? Because as newbies, going to P411 for verification means having to include ALL types of information including Employment etc. Remember, newbies with NO okays, no provider referrals have to provide this information to P411.  

So the question that arises is why would providers want to do employment vrification, make extra calls to the place of employment when P411 has already done so and repeat this? Peace of mind, fine, I'll agree. But effective? I'm not too sure.

Now, once P411 for a newbie is done, we can be reasonably assured that newbie is not a cop (there is no 100% in anything, even ones where providers give okays, isn't it?), not a pimp, cannot imagine a newbie to be a serial killer because if one was so, then I'm afraid even a screening by a provider wouldn't do much good. What could your screening provide that cops, P411 etc. have not already done for that person?

The last thing that comes to mind is violent hobbyists. For that if the newbie provides height, weight, age etc. then I guess the provider can use some common sense judgement (ask client to be outside the building, make sure the physical details match etc.)

Am I mistaken? Please do let me know since I was curious about the first few providers making the same calls to place of employment that P411 will be making.

Thanks,

Why don't clients understand that providers provide rules they want to live by. If you want to see a provider follow her rules or just move on. I don't care how much you want to see a specific provider, if you don't feel comfortable with her rules, move on, don't try to make her change her rules to suit your comfort level

Yes, I can totally see some teen "snot nosed" geek, writing script to copy and route provider's email to somewhere they can read the stuff

There have been several instances of LE and other undesirables passing P411's verification. It's by no means a foolproof system. Personally, I can't comfortably entrust my safety to a third party.  

Furthermore, it's just logical that someone with nefarious intentions is going to avoid booking with anyone who won't see them anonymously. If someone kicks my ass, it's not going to do me much good if all I have to give to the cops is a P411 handle, and the bad guys know this. P411 also doesn't do any sort of criminal background check. So even if a violent sex offender signs up, all P411 is going to confirm is that he has verifiable employment. In other words, you can be a complete psycho, but if you're a psycho with a job, you'll be approved.  

Trust me, I wish there was a "one stop shop" that met all of my verification criteria (it'd save me a lot of time), but unfortunately, there's just not.  

Screening is not just to make sure you aren't LE or a bad guy. Screening with real names also ensures that you aren't her stalker ex-boyfriend, her neighbor, her dad (heh) or her civilian job colleague. A screening service wouldn't know any of that.

Many ladies aren't willing to rely on a nameless, faceless, screening service alone for their safety. A screening service isn't going to give the guy's info if he beats the shit out of her, or if he kills her.

Also - Lots of ladies can verify a client's employment and other info without having to actually call their workplace. There are many ways to verify employment without calling your job.

Almost all providers these days use a major hosting service (G-Daddy, H-Gator), a huge host site like Wix, or an escort-specific host like escortsite. Email goes through their personal domain on those major hosting sites or through gmail, yahoo, etc