1.Do not use Backpage.com unless the provider uses client verification service like Preferred 411, Datecheck, or Room Service. You can use it if the provider is listed on Room Service 2000, Preferred 411 website, or Datecheck. Just do not just book a date with an escort that are NOT listed on the website but accept those verification.
2.Do not trust reviews only because LE can post false ones. Use reviews to learn if the provider will meet your fantasy.
3.Request the girl to do Outcalls because undercover decoys do not do Outccalls for guys. This is against police department rules and put the decoy under risk of being a victim of crimes.
4.Ask if the provider will do dinner date and go on the dinner date the first date. Undercover decoys will most likely not waste their time to go on dinner date.
5. Moving forum style ads are hot spots for police sting operation. They are cheap, and will be bury in a day or two. Seek escort service through ads that are from reputable escort advertisement agencies like Eros Guide. Seek escort service from ads that place there for over a month and not moving.
6. First date, you DO NOT have to engage in sex. You can talk, watch movies, and play video games. It is better waste your money on a first date than getting sting.
7. If you are very scare, then seek service from escort/modeling agencies. They will send the girl to your hotel or motel room. You know it is not an undercover cop.
8. Undercover cops will try to get you admit you are comming there for sex. They will offer you a price for blow jobs, fuck, etc. If you say Yes, hand over the money, promise to pay by saying you are going home or ATM to get money, or make a loan for sex, this is enough for ninja style cops to arrest you. Never admit you are comming for sex. You can spot a decoy by the way they talk. Just tell them that you just want to watch movies, TV, video games, etc. This is not a crime. If the escort start talking about trading money for sex, leave immediately.
9. Leave the cash on the table and do not hand it to an escort. If you pay the escort by handing the cash, you leave stronger evidence behind.
10. Circle around the hotel, or motel parking lot 30 minutes before the appointment. Also drive on adjacent parking lots and streets around the hotel or motel. If you see anything suspicious, do not go in.
11. A method that strippers and dancers use to solicit money for sex is to turn up the music so the police audio equipment cannot record the conversation. I cannot recommend or recommend this method. I do not know.
Remember no fool proof method. Just make it harder for them to catch you. Don't be dumb and walk into incall without knowing the person.
-- Modified on 2/19/2012 4:21:11 PM
-- Modified on 2/19/2012 4:27:00 PM
You are making many generalizations and stating them as if they are facts. I can poke holes in just about every one of your points above, but I don't have the time right now to write a long point by point response. For now I will just say some of your points are good, some are good in some circumstances but not others, some are so-so, and some are downright false.
I just hope the newbies reading, know enough to take everything with a grain of salt, and that generally all we can ever do is minimize risk, while never completely eliminating it. And that generally they should never take any one post as gospel, but read back many pages on this board, to see and compare the advice of many posters, and read the self-help manual.
if I have time later, I may come back with counterpoints to your points
Everyone Have fun, but stay safe!!
I am very disturbed by this posting. Most of it isn't close to reality.
Any newbies need to read back on the posts in the forum for some real advice and do not take any of what you just read as gospel.
I've been in this business 10yrs and wouldn't do anything in this point by point.
Number 9 is good! LOL. That is on all the girl's websites and all the information here. Numberr 6 could be good for you. I'm sure most hobbyists would not go for that, but from the provider's standpoint, I am sure you wouldn't mind someone booking your time and just hanging out and eating or watching movies Yes there are a lot of things in his post that are very far from reality, (especially when he says things like "that is against police department policy") but there is some truth in some of his points, which is what I was saying in my reply to him. I think you and I are in agreement. I was just giving him a little more benefit of the doubt, while still trying to warn newbies, not to take it as truth.
1. If you are scare, just request a dinner date with the escort.
2. If you are bold, just tell the escort that you just want to watch TV, play video games, watch movie, read a book, etc. If you mention this over the phone, the undercover cop most likely going to refuse you because you will not give in to their sting.
3. It is better not to have sex on the first date than to get sting. It depends on the situation. If you feel comfortable, then maybe go ahead. If you going to do it, it is best to wait 30 minutes.
4. Why wait? You can sniff out an Undercover cops. Undercover cops get impatient. They want you to admit you are coming for sex and you willing to pay for it. When you do this, they can bust you.
5. Watch for any conversation of moving towards trading money for sexual services. Undercover cops will try to engage in such conversation. A true escort know what is expected and do not need to ask you what you want.
is posting crap on the legal board. If you are a true newbie, do you want to trust any advice from someone who won't even post a review?
if he is giving advice on the legal board too. (I haven't been over there in a while) I'm sure the seasoned people know better, but worry for the newbies if they take it as truth.
Greg has gone way to far in over-generalizations. Some of the advice is good, but much of it is just way overboard. If we did all that before going to see a provider, we'd never have time to enjoy a date. Why would anyone make a date with a provider just to play video games? If we do the proper research on the provider we want to see, that is just ridiculous to even consider.
Swim
“1.Do not use Backpage.com unless the provider uses client verification service like Preferred 411, Datecheck, or Room Service. You can use it if the provider is listed on Room Service 2000, Preferred 411 website, or Datecheck. Just do not just book a date with an escort that are NOT listed on the website but accept those verification.”
* Backpage is an ad site. Nothing more. There are a lot of scams and B&S, and even some LE stings on there, but there are also legit providers. You need to know how to research and weed through the bad ads, if you are selecting ladies from there. There are other ways to research the ladies besides finding out if they are on one of the verification sites. And it is not just BP. The same thing can happen on any ad site inclucing EROS, CV and even TER. There was a lady using fake pictures posting on the NY TER ad board. By the way, police have also used p411 to catch people.
“2.Do not trust reviews only because LE can post false ones. Use reviews to learn if the provider will meet your fantasy.”
* Reviews are one of the best ways to determine if the lady is real and the right match for you. The key is Several to many reviews, not just a couple, by seasoned reviewers, who you can Pm to find out more information. There are also other review sites besides TER. Some are legit. Some not so much. Police are not likely to set up a fake profile and submit many reviews under many different hobbyist names. If a provider has only a few reviews from unknown reviewers, then you may be taking chances.
“3.Request the girl to do Outcalls because undercover decoys do not do Outccalls for guys. This is against police department rules and put the decoy under risk of being a victim of crimes.”
* WHOA! Where did you get that one from? Do you have the police regulations manual for every municipality in the country? While it is less likely to do an outcall sting, it is not impossible and it is not against police department rules. Yes, incall stings are way more likely but incalls can also be very safe, if you follow other incall rules (i.e. well reviewed provider, no motels with outside doors, hotel rooms without adjoining suites, etc)
“4.Ask if the provider will do dinner date and go on the dinner date the first date. Undercover decoys will most likely not waste their time to go on dinner date.”
* Probably true but most hobbyists, especially newbies, may be on a budget. Dinner dates can be very expensive. Also many hobbyists who do dinner dates will not do it on a first date, as they want to know the provider first. Also some providers won't do dinner dates, or won't do dinner dates as a first date either. So while it might be true that a police officer is not likely to have a dinner date with you in order to arrest you later, it is also not practical advice to probably 90-95% of newbie hobbyists.
“5. Moving forum style ads are hot spots for police sting operation. They are cheap, and will be bury in a day or two. Seek escort service through ads that are from reputable escort advertisement agencies like Eros Guide. Seek escort service from ads that place there for over a month and not moving.”
*Maybe some truth in this one, but Eros guide has fake ads too and can also have LE ads. And while it may not be likely that LE will place along term ad it is not impossible. As with everything else, do your research. Never just answer an ad without checking her out on TER, and Google, etc.
“6. First date, you DO NOT have to engage in sex. You can talk, watch movies, and play video games. It is better waste your money on a first date than getting sting.”
*Sure if you got money to waste. If you used all the other research methods, you don't have to do this. But if you want to do this I am sure most of the ladies wouldn't mind getting their full hourly rates to talk, watch movies and play video games.
“7. If you are very scare, then seek service from escort/modeling agencies. They will send the girl to your hotel or motel room. You know it is not an undercover cop.”
*Escort agencies can also be a front for LE or have been infiltrated by LE. Check for reviews and do your other research with agencies as well as with independents.
“8. Undercover cops will try to get you admit you are comming there for sex. They will offer you a price for blow jobs, fuck, etc. If you say Yes, hand over the money, promise to pay by saying you are going home or ATM to get money, or make a loan for sex, this is enough for ninja style cops to arrest you. Never admit you are comming for sex. You can spot a decoy by the way they talk. Just tell them that you just want to watch movies, TV, video games, etc. This is not a crime. If the escort start talking about trading money for sex, leave immediately.”
*Most of the first part of your statement is true. Yes they will try to get you to talk about exchanging sex for money, but they can still arrest you if you showed up in the room where a sting was occurring. They know why you were there, and it becomes your word against theirs. You might eventually beat the charge in court with a good lawyer but do you want to go through all that? The fact is you can still be arrested, even if you don't talk about sex for money. Do all your research first and try not to ever get in to that situation. If somehow you do get into the situation, then definitely do not talk about money or sex, and it is a good idea to leave (or try to) if the escort talks about it. However, that is not fool proof and you can still be arrested just for being there. On another note, your comment that, “You can spot a decoy by the way they talk” is just laughable. Sorry buddy.
“9. Leave the cash on the table and do not hand it to an escort. If you pay the escort by handing the cash, you leave stronger evidence behind.”
*This is the only comment I completely agree with.
“10. Circle around the hotel, or motel parking lot 30 minutes before the appointment. Also drive on adjacent parking lots and streets around the hotel or motel. If you see anything suspicious, do not go in.”
*30 minutes? Uhm, no. You will bring attention to yourself. Maybe drive around once. But definitely keep your eyes open and look around for suspicious activity. BTW, motels should also be a no. At least no motels with outside doors.
“11. A method that strippers and dancers use to solicit money for sex is to turn up the music so the police audio equipment cannot record the conversation. I cannot recommend or recommend this method. I do not know.
Remember no fool proof method. Just make it harder for them to catch you. Don't be dumb and walk into incall without knowing the person.”
*Don't know about this one, but if you follow the general guidelines that you can learn here on TER and other sites, you shouldn't have to rely on some silly method like turning up music so the cops can't hear. Lol.
It is a risky hobby but there are many many ways to drastically minimize the risks.
I didn't have the inclination to do what you did, appreciate your taking the time to do it. Very good post on your part.
Swim
If you have a better way to beat the sting operation, then your way will work just as fine or better. I understand Newbe will not go for not having sex with the escort. An undercover cop most likely will get in a conversation of trading money for sex right away because they want to get evidence on you. Remember it is not a crime to seek escort service. It is a crime to make offer trading money or property for sexual services.
Now spend some SERIOUS time here reading posts from those who actually know what they're talking about!
Your posts and comments are beyond believable...show you have NO sense of how this game is played...
And you will ultimately find yourself in a world of hurt as you have stated beliefs (YOURS) that will land you in someone's cell for a while.
STOP posting your nonsense....if only to allow those who are actually seeking "real advice" from having to wade through your drivel 
but other than that, I disagree or would have to qualify everything in his over generalized piece.
Newbies should read the self-help section (like by the lifesaver) and then read back on this board. It's FREE. You do not even need VIP. One size does not fit all because you must run the information though the filter of your own circumstances. But read back on this board until you can answer every question yourself.
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Forget about this charge?
Once you arrive on the scene, once you darken the door, you don't have to say a word, you don't have to do a thing, but you've made plans to be there for what ever reason, you CAN be charged with Intent to Commit.....and please don't forget that one!
Stay safe and don't ever Doubt that L E will do what ever they can to get you if they want to bad enough.
this guy SOUNDS like an undercover cop..he trusts absolutely no one..probably not his own mother..fdr said " you have nothing to fear but fear itself " this guy epitomizes that..a post like this is bad for hobbying in general..some newbie will read shit like this and change his mind about even trying it..hobbying is all about fun and enjoyment..not fear and loathing..
zero reviews to base your opinions--don't use "walk in my shoes" as a basis for your information.
Two, your computer or iPad or tablet doesn't have a space bar so that your post would have been easier to read.
Three, many errors in your paper--you failed!
i think they call this PARANOIA...correct me if i am wrong..
you need to spend more time fucking and less time worrying.
Do things the right friggen way....and go get laid!!
Geezzzz, you take all the fun out of it.
IMHO, hobbying is not that risky!!
