I'm new to the game, so I hope you'll bear with me asking such basic questions--I'm sure these are so matter-of-fact to more experienced hobbyists that they don't merit the slightest thought anymore--but I'm still unclear what the best protocol vis-a-vis payment is.

For example, it's suggested to avoid talking openly about money and rates, but then a) at what point does one actually pay the escort--before things get under way, or after? and b) does one simply leave it in an envelope on a nearby table, where the escort can see it, or hand it to her? and c) does one wait for the escort to actually count it out, so they can make sure it's the correct amount? (I can't imagine this is an "honor system" where they simply assume you've coughed up the proper amount!) And d) the price will obviously hinge on how much time one spends with them, but when does one actually let them know one's preference about how long you wish to spend--during the initial phone conversation, or once one has actually met up with them? and finally e) what if no rates are listed at all in their ad--perhaps that's a red flag telling one to steer clear, but if not, is there an acceptable way of bringing that up in either the initial phone call or email?

Thanks much for any input you have on these things!

This does come up periodically, but given the importance of the subject, it's worth reviewing on here from time to time.

First and foremost, you are correct to never discuss this matter before hand.  It will often get you dropped like a hot potato.

Next, be sure to read the provider's site and see if she covers this in her FAQ or elsewhere.  Then follow her instructions to the letter.  The most commonly used strategem is to leave the envelope (unsealed and unmarked, usually), by the bathroom sink so that she can go in to freshen up and check that it is all there.

If the gal does not cover the protocol, then take the envelope out of your pocket right after your initial hug/kiss greeting and place it down on a very obvious place in the room.  On top of her laptop computer or some other personal item of hers is a good place.  Don't worry, they will notice it.  Do not say anything about it.

The issue of time should have been worked out before the meeting takes place in emails or phone calls.  No harm in paying for time, as we often say.

Many gals think it is crass to count out money in front of the client, and trust that they screened well and don't have to worry about being shorted.

Some do count the money, either in the bathroom or right in front of the client just to be sure that there is no mistake.

I'm fine either way.

It's a good idea to avoid gals who do not post rates.  If there are rates on her TER profile, you can ask her if the information there is accurate and see what she says.  Otherwise, you are leaving yourself wide open to a crap shoot situation.  Not a good situation to be in if you are new to all this.

Thanks for posting.

Beyond that, don't ask her what the donation is for.

At the time of the session, give the money to her upfront, which should be already counted and placed in an envelope.  It's that simple.

Typically the escort will excuse herself to get ready and that's when she does the counting, but some will count in front of you, and others will not count at all (rare).

When you book with them, you specify how long the session is for, and that's the extent of talking about rates.

First, read the ladies website from front to back as many address this there. Some have differing thoughts on this. Do as they ask per there website.

If they dont address it there, have the money in a plain white envelope and place it down, with her watching, on a night table. You would do this just after greeting her and walking into the room. Do not hand it to her and do NOT mention it or its contents.

Dont worry about waiting for her to count it. That is her business. Most wont count it in your prescence, some will. Believe it or not, it pretty much is an honor system, certainly for most higher end ladies. Personally, I have no problem with them counting it as I have heard countless stories of ladies getting shorted but that is the protocol, to count it after you leave.

The length of the session is pre-determined. If things go well, you'd like to stay longer, you can discuss that with the lady but dont wait until your time is up. Ask her about 15-30 minutes before the end. If she has it available and if she is having a good time, she will mention the cost to stay longer.

If there is no rates on her ad, check her website. If nothing there, and you have done your homework and she is well reviewed, there will be a fee on her profile page. Do not assume that is accurate. At that point I would simply email the lady and say "I looked all over for your rates and all I could find was $$$/hr on TER but wasnt sure if that was accuate. Can you point me to you rates please?" She should not have any problem with that inquiry.

Good luck! Blue.

Our answers are almost word for word the same! lol

Thanks so much to both of you--SOO appreciated.

Simply asking, "What is the correct donation" is fine with most ladies, if they don't have the crap listed. Honestly, I would just go with a provider who has the common sense not to require a decoder ring for her rate structure. Even if she puts 300 roses on a BP ad, that gets the point across. As far as the envelope...drop it in the bathroom as soon as you arrive. If she is seeing you at your location, have it right by the TV or on a table where she can see it, and does not have to ask for it. Some providers will take it to the bathroom when they freshen up and count it, while others won't even touch it til they leave.

As much as we see on the newbie board, "Never discuss rates," the real rule should be, "Never discuss rates AND service!" additionally, "Never discuss rates if her rates are clearly stated on her ads and/or website."

There are instances where you have to discuss rates, and I have done it many times. For example, a provider has her 1 hour rate on her website but doesn't have a rate for 2 or 4 hours, etc. I want to see her for a 4 hour dinner date. I don't know if her rate is just going to be her 1 hour rate x 4, or if she has a multi hour discount, so I will ask, "Do you have a 4 hour rate?" (or something similar.) Another example is touring ladies. Occasionally I see ads for touring ladies and there are no rates mentioned in the ads. I check the website and they have rates for their home city. I am not going to assume that a lady from Boise, is going to charge the same Boise rates in Waikiki. So I ask, "What are your Hawaii rates while you are touring?"

I have always received polite replies to such inquiries and have never been ignored or shunned for asking. I think as long as you ask, "What is your rate for x hours," and not something like "What is your rate for bbbjcim?" You should be fine. On the other hand, when rates are clearly stated, there is no reason to ask, as that just makes you look like an idiot who can't read or is too lazy to read.

Yes, please don't make her ask for it. And don't hand it to her directly. Or even mention it at all. Put it where she can see it. And know her rate when you get there. Don't walk right in and say, "What was your rate again?" pulling out your wallet. That might get you directed back out the door.