Hi all, new to this.  I'm wondering whether there are any providers willing to do BBFS if, say, very recent STD test results are provided by the client and provider.

This is NOT worth the risk.  If you find someone that agrees to it, RUN the other way.

You ain't gonna find one of those.  BBBJ, ok, but FS, no way.  Keep looking, you'll be looking for a long time.

Swim

Hey sweetie, give me a call. Suuuuuure I'm clean and for an extra tip we can just forget about that little raincoat. Oh, you want to see my latest STD screening? Suuure no problem. Its right here, it has ALL of my personal information on it - my full name, address, phone number, etc but I'm so stupid I'll let you see it. But please don't pay attention to the fact that this test was done a week ago - I mean, that is recent, right? I've only seen 20 clients since then, and out of those 20 clients, only 5 or I think it might have been 6 guys were willing to give me that extra tip so that they too could forget the raincoat. You know, now that I think about it, actually I think it was 7 guys who swallowed the same BS you are about to swallow. But all of them SWORE they were clean too, so its all good, right? Of course, I'm not actually going to TELL you I let anyone else go BB. Because YOU are special sweetie. Just little cute old you. I've known you for 10 minutes, but I just know in my heart you are special, and that is the only reason I would even think about letting you go BB. Well, that and that extra tip.

Regand.....are you getting the point here???

God, I've typed and deleted this so many times, maybe this time I'll press "post" dunno yet...

Hi, I'm PocketFisherman, and I have received BBFS.

No, I was not seeking it.  I did not request it.  Hell, I didn't even WANT it.  I was with a (very) well reviewed TER girl.  Everything was going pretty much as expected when without any warning she literally jumped on BB.  
I have NO explanation as to why.  I'm no great  lover, I don't believe she was simply carried away in the moment, and I'm certainly not so damned handsome that she couldn't help herself, but once it started I am ashamed to say that I stayed for the finish.
Am I greatful for this "gift" that she bestowed upon me?  I was furious, but that was after the stunned phase, which lasted until well after she was gone.
The gift she gave me was MONTHS of worry until tests come back, the last one of which is still weeks away.  I don't dare see anyone in the interim, nor do I dare touch my wife (try explaining THAT).
You won't find a review, nor will I reveal her identity.  Why?  That ace in the hole "personal information".  She knows who and where I am and if I do anything to hurt her business she has the capability to ruin my life.
This is all MY problem and I will deal with it.  Not asking sympathy or even belief from the masses, but know this.  It DOES exist, it IS out there, and it ISN'T just CL girls...

Reading these and other posts in the faq have made the risks very clear.  I just figured that, given the turnaround time that some health care providers can give for std tests (less than 24 hrs for some hc providers), and given a sufficiently large premium (like, 2X or 3X standard rate for 24 hrs), some escorts might offer bbfs and make the necessary commitment to stay out of commission between test and engagement.

Coming from a guy who thinks no hassle, absolutely safe bbfs is that much better than slightly risky covered fs (given that condoms don't completely prevent disease spreading).  Of course, the option I've inquired about isn't actually absolute, given the small chance of a false negatve or the chance that the provider could 'commit' to staying out between test and engagement.

Very similar situation happened to me.  With a highly reviewed woman too.  Who also seemed so educated and knowledgeable, she had to know better.  I know I did, but the little head had temporary control over me as I let her take me inside her.  After 2, maybe 3, strokes I came back to my senses and requested the coat.

Thankfully I took and passed a comprehensive (and might I say time-consuming and painfully expensive) STD test after that.  But the interim moments of extreme anxiety and reflection brought to light how astronomical of a gamble I had taken.  

"Not worth it" doesn't even begin to describe it.



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There is absolutely no such thing as "absolutely safe bbfs". Every woman in the hobby is not as honorable as we would all like to believe (of course, the same goes for men as well)Once you put money on the table the risk/reward factor becomes an issue for both sides. Good luck to you in your search and please let us know if you find any takers so that the rest of us can avoid her....

And while your at it I'd like a list of the men so I can avoid each and every one of them. And some of you wonder why some ladies insist on everything protected...this would be the very reason.

You can do it using private messages or some other discrete means. Such providers are danger to all of us in this and should be forced out.

and you got a loud and clear answer from both from both hobbyists and providers.  It really sucks when people disagree with you, doesn't it?  

Why bother trying to justify your question?!?

Ok, you didn't get it the first time, so let me really spell it out this time.

First, I would love to say that absolutely no way would you find a provider who would agree to your suggestion. Sadly though, as Fish pointed out, there are women out there who will go BB for reasons that pass my understanding. So to your initial question of can you find what you are looking for - the answer is an unfortunate yes.

Now, lets look at the reality of your idea. First off, as my original post attempted to demonstrate, the first assumption you have to make in order for your scenario to work is to assume that the lady you are talking to is honest and ethical. You mention "stay out of commission between test and engagement". Problem #1: You are relying on HER honesty here. What if its three days from test to tryst? Do you seriously think she's not going to see anyone in the interim? Are you prepared to reimburse her not only for the time you spend with her, but also for the days she is "out of commission"? That's alot of beans. Secondly, to be absolutley blunt, any woman you find who agrees to this scenario is questionable right out of the gate for even AGREEING to your suggestion. Absolutely no woman with common sense would even consider it, so you've just hit the jackpot right from jump street with a woman who quite likely doesn't exactly have the highest of safety standards for you or herself. So your chances of her being honest and actually abstaining just hit the dirt.

Secondly, I don't think you realize just how much time you are really talking about. Perhaps you don't realize that STD's will not show a positive result for a certain length of time after infection. Every disease of the body has an incubation period, during which a test for the disease may or may not return a positive result even though infection has occurred, and the person is infectious to others. For bacterial bugs like gonnhorea and syphilis, we are talking a turnaround time of a few days. For viral infections though, the time between infection and positive STD screen can be weeks, or in the case of HIV, months. There are now two tests for HIV. the older method that detects HIV antibodies still won't show a positive result for up to 3-4 months following infection. A newer test however, screens for HIV in the blood stream. However, that test still takes an average of 10-14 days before infection is detected. During that incubation period the person is infectious, but an STD panel will NOT show a positive result. So in essence, you don't need a lady who will abstain for the few days between test and tryst. If you want absolute certainty then both you AND her must go a minimum of 2 weeks from your last encounter, THEN get tested, THEN go and have some fun with no worries.

Yeah, that  condom thing is just darned annoying. But the alternative to using a condom is Russian roulette, plain and simple. If going without a raincoat really is that important to you, my suggestion is for you to sign up for an account on every dating site on the internet, then cross your fingers to find a wife, if you don't already have one. Absolute monomgomy is the ONLY way to gurantee STD free worries while still enjoying going free willie style.

If you do a goggle search you will find at least 25 caees in the past 4 years of providers, Whores, prosititutes, etc.  that were HIV infected and knowingly went BBFS  and they were all charged with attempted murder. These women were mentally ill, and were trying to "get even " for men giving them the HIV.
I am sure none of the men knew these women had HIV and said " what the hell I still want it BBFS"

So if you find a provider really wanting to willing to do this, ask yourself why would she.

I'm glad to say that the providers I've been with have ALL been safe and we've ALWAYS used the raincoat (not the SAME one - new ones each time!).

Personally, if any of these providers said to me "we can go BBFS - then I would say BYE!"  I don't even like it if the provider tries to rub me outside her entry for a little tease before the raincoat goes on.  Makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I always pull away.  

One time, this provider I always wanted to see and I finally got together and she actually had the oral HIV swab test with her that she got from her doctor's office where she gets her tests done.  We both took the test together before we got started.  That made me feel very safe with this woman and because of this, it is one of the reasons why she is my favorite provider!

I think either the provider or hobbiest should have these tests avaiable and take them right before they get started.  I would put a lot of minds at ease.