Newbie - FAQ

I agree - regulars can get special rates. First timers do not. (eom)
WhiteApple 6 Reviews 2779 reads
posted
1 / 30

I'd like to see some providers but their rates seem tad bit high.

Would it be rude to ask if their rate is negotiable?

hiddenhills 143 Reviews 1428 reads
posted
2 / 30

Oh boy, this is gonna be an interesting thread.  The standard answer is YES.   However, you'll prolly get some veterans who say it can be done. My advice, hobby at a donation level that's comfortable for you and don't covet providers you can't afford  

Posted By: WhiteApple
I'd like to see some providers but their rates seem tad bit high.  
   
 Would it be rude to ask if their rate is negotiable?

CaitlynKennedy See my TER Reviews 1530 reads
posted
3 / 30

I do not think my rate is unreasonable vs what I do/offer...  

But regardless if she is $200/hr or $1000/hr

I think most providers will see trying to to negotiate her listed rate is rude, offensive, and insulting.  
Even if she did agree, by starting out that way, you blew your 1st impression, and she is already going to have a pre-conceived opinion of you before you meet. She may feel resentful but see you anyways, but that is for sure going to make the whole session weird.  

She may even rush you a bit, or cut back on her services...  

In the end, you both were miserable.  

I would just find a provider in your spending cap...  
If you absolutely HAVE to have a provider who is more expensive, then just take your monthly hobby funds, and save them to see her in a few months

1192967 45 Reviews 1505 reads
posted
5 / 30

...Depending on where you ask this question you will get many answers. Some few will argue it's OK. They are wrong in regard to a newbie like you making first contact with a provider. Most will say no never negotiate. Negotiating raises red flags for the provider. Are you Law Enforcement? Are you just a cheap bastard that may try to take advantage of her in other ways? These are just some of the things she will wonder and she will refuse to see you. Discussing the donation amount is not done because it makes a possible connection between sex and money (read sex for money). If you try to discuss donation in first contact she will hang up or not respond to e-mail or voice mail.

A client that has been seeing a certain provider several times can talk to her about rates but usually only as it relates to a time frame that she hasn't already established a rate for.

Others will chime in here I'm sure. Keeping in mind you are a newbie. Read the Self-Help Center. The link is on the upper right under the red & white life preserver.

I will say it's ok to ask about donation for her "time" but if that info is on her ad or web site she won't discuss it and will pass you by.

Newbies don't get the slack that clients she knows gets.

Bottom line...Don't negotiate. If a provider will negotiate with you then you don't want to see her. She could be a rip off, rob, etc. . You want to see reputable ladies, with established credentials with rates that are clearly stated and easy to find. Search here on TER. Look at the ad board for you region. Get the VIP membership and research the ladies that interest you. Check out their profile. Read their reviews. You can find reputable ladies for very reasonable rates.

1192967 45 Reviews 1342 reads
posted
6 / 30

...but my advice regarding negotiating still stands.

Good for you in checking reviews. The advice of a previous poster is good. Save to see a provider you want to see at a higher donation. You will find better service and a more satisfying experience if you invest a little more money.

cashorcredit 1354 reads
posted
7 / 30

besides they're tons of gals in the 200-300 range in Atlanta.

LovetoDaty 7 Reviews 1310 reads
posted
8 / 30

1. There are "bargains" in most large markets. Do research, you may find a great $250 lady  just as good as others in $300-350.
2. When you find a lady you like to repeat, become a regular and she may grandfather you if she raises her prices.
3. Check many websites carefully. I've seen ladies post 2 types of prices. For example new clients $350. Established clients price $300.
4. Look on ladies' datecheck or p411, some give member discounts $25-$50, e.g. if its in her profile you can mention it politely.
5. Consider longer date specials, some ladies charge same for 90 minutes as others for 1 hour. Some have better deals on 2hr and multihour dates than others
6. Some advertise discounts for established reviewers or TER members now and then

bluepillman 1439 reads
posted
9 / 30

This isnt going to be popular with the ladies but the ladies cant have it both ways. They cant tell us its a "business" when it benefits them for it to be so, then tell us its "rude" when the guys treat it like a business.

Virtually every small business receives offers for less than the prices they quote publically. It is not "rude" to make the offer. It would be rude to trash the girl for not accepting. A lady can simply reply she doesnt discount her rate. She can simply hit delete. The truth of the matter is that many ladies accept and welcome "offers."  

Pricing is a very private matter and should remain so. Some girls need the money. So its easy for a lady on here to say "nobody should ever negotiate." Well its a helluva lot harder to say that when their rent isnt on the line that month. If I were a working girl, I would base negotiating on time of year, economic conditions, personal financial situation, hours requested, etc. I would make it on a case by case basis. No one lady should speak for any others on this matter for they dont know other ladies situations.

Typically, the more hours you are looking for, the more likely it is a girl will negotiate. Mos arent going to drop their rate for a one hour appt. But for a 12 hour overnight for $3000 posted on her site? You think many girls will walk for an offer of $2500? Umm....no.  

I cant tell you how many dicounted "offers" I recieved from about Dec 15 thru last month. Of course it comes with the usual disclaimer of "please dont tell anyone else." They dont put it on there website. I get it. I would do the same thing.  

Go ahead and negotiate, IF, and this is a big IF, you can handle the downside but most newbs dont undertsand the downside. Just be prepared that the ladies have every right to put you on their DNS list and tell all their local friends in the biz. That can really hurt you as a newb.

bphunter 1416 reads
posted
10 / 30

As someone recently said, for $2500, "you're in the shallow end of the pool"

Posted By: bluepillman
Typically, the more hours you are looking for, the more likely it is a girl will negotiate. Mos arent going to drop their rate for a one hour appt. But for a 12 hour overnight for $3000 posted on her site? You think many girls will walk for an offer of $2500? Umm....no.

glowerlord 7 Reviews 1641 reads
posted
12 / 30

There have been surveys on sites showing about 10-15% of providers responding will say "NO" to you and take offense no matter how you say it. Those are the bitches.  
There is another 10-15% who will say "NO" but will not be pissed by the inquiry. (If you're as asshole, that's different. Those providers tend to be vocal on boards about it and over shadow what the majority have responded, which is:
Ask politely and the answer may be "YES" or will be "YES" depending on the situation.
The key here is DO NOT HAGGLE like you are talking to a Tijuana Club Girl. Simply ask in the most polite and respectful way. Providers who do this full time and have no other source of income seem to be more sensible and willing to adjust prices occasionally for business sake.  
Some suggestion given by providers on two such surveys I read were: "Do you have any specials?" or "Do you have any lower cost options that might be in my price range?"
One last tip: If you have never seen a provider, you will have far less success, and will be considered a douchebag for asking far more that if you ask after seeing her a couple time.
Either way, you are risking wrath when you ask, since you do not know what the viewpoint or temperament of the provider is.  On top of that, they are women, you know.

1192967 45 Reviews 1242 reads
posted
13 / 30

I don't know for sure if some of the top 100 negotiate or not. I do know one of them has a web site that says don't. You also saw my statement about what an established client can do as opposed to a newbie.

You also saw the response of the ladies in this thread.

When giving advice here I go by what a Newbie can expect to happen in a certain situation.  

(I have had a few ladies tell me a rate was negotiable but it wasn't on first contact or even during the arranging of the appointment and I'm not a newbie.)  

Are you going to tell me that a newbie can contact one of the Top 100 ladies and in his e-mail negotiate her rate because the ones she has posted don't fit his budget or some other of his criteria?

Come on bluepillman you know that won't work.

bluepillman 1243 reads
posted
14 / 30

But market conditions, in a down economy and off peak season, like winter in major northeast cities, all play a significant factor in whether a lady would/should accept lower than her published rate.  

If I were a working lady, I would much rather someone offer me 90% of my rate during slow season than offer it to the next girl who has a rep for taking discounted offers. At least I would want to consider it. There is nothing wrong with ladies that do and I don't think rudeness plays a factor at all. But it's just my opinion and I do think I am in the minority here on this topic.

bluepillman 1646 reads
posted
16 / 30

And you didnt see my other post of the perils for a newbie if he does decide to negotitate. But you stated  "If a provider will negotiate with you then you don't want to see her." That is the issue I have with what you wrote and why I pointed to the TOP 100 to begin with.  

It seemed like you were taking a shot at ladies that negotiate. Many well regarded, professional, trust worthy, highly reviewed ladies negotiate. They dont post it on their website, no. They also dont post they do BBFS, but guess what? Some of them do that too!  

And how the ladies respond on this thread publically, and how they respond privately to an offer below their stated price, are two totally different things.

1192967 45 Reviews 1092 reads
posted
17 / 30

Posted By: bluepillman
But you stated  "If a provider will negotiate with you then you don't want to see her." That is the issue I have with what you wrote and why I pointed to the TOP 100 to begin with.  
   
 It seemed like you were taking a shot at ladies that negotiate. Many well regarded, professional, trust worthy, highly reviewed ladies negotiate. They dont post it on their website, no.  
I did edit the above quote of your post. I left the part that pertained to your concern.

What you take issue with here is not what you said though I can see by this post that is what you were alluding too.

Again, my post was too a newbie. Granted what the ladies say on their site and what they will do in case specific situations isn't always the same. But again the case for veterans and for newbies isn't the same. Your clarification in you subsequent post was accurate and I thought your stating that there could be consequences for attempting to negotiate a providers rate was a good idea. I wouldn't take the point of view that you took. When replying to a newbie I try to keep it simple.  

My statement about not wanting to see a provider who negotiates was caused by trying to keep it simple. Unfortunately it created a misunderstanding. It referred to those providers that along with discussing rates are not of good reputation and don't do the other things that providers should do to be safe. Might even be LE. Though the OP does appear to do some research which would hopefully catch that. I could have been more clear. I assumed others would get my meaning which most did. However for the newbies sake I should have been clearer. What I said was not to denigrate any of the reputable ladies. I'm fairly certain none of them reading it took it as such. I believe they would have understood my meaning. Furthermore, they would agree that though they may choose to negotiate they wouldn't tell a newbie on a newbie advice board that negotiating is OK. You did qualify your point of view by stating consequences so at this point it appears we have a different approach to this. We can both post our point and let the reader/advice seeker choose the course for themselves.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 1232 reads
posted
18 / 30

If I enjoy being with a guy, I will offer him some type of incentive to come back. If he asks, puts me off and I really don't want to see him. If a guy I've never gotten a cent from asks upfront for a discount, I tell him to try someone else. If a REGULAR asks for a discount who has been seeing me for a while, done deal. He has EARNED it.

-- Modified on 4/21/2013 8:12:47 AM

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 1218 reads
posted
19 / 30

Um, now I know who you are lol. Geez, don't be so obvious!

RRO2610 51 Reviews 1353 reads
posted
21 / 30

Invariably they’ll tell you to find another restaurant more in your price range.  
   

"Some" providers may offer a discount for return or regular patrons; but beginning the business relationship as a pathologically penurious miser wins you no favor, and likely sub-standard service if you do get your way.

bluepillman 1243 reads
posted
23 / 30

Its not some terrible, awful thing. Its just business. She can choose not to if she wishes. She can DNS list if she choses. She can counter offer. But to get pissed off at him for making the offer? That makes no sense to me.  

And I didnt tell ANYONE that I think EVERYONE should negotitate. People should do what they feel comfortable doing. I have called any guys here fools or idiots for not negotiating. The only time I ever negotiate is when it benefits both parties. I believe in win/win negotiating. Always have, always will.  

The OP asked if it was "rude" to negotiate. I dont think so. And many, many, many women dont think so either. There are twos sides to this. Surely we are all adult enough to discuss both sides. Right?

bluepillman 1389 reads
posted
24 / 30

The circimstances are wildly different for a touring girl as opposed to a local girl. You and I have discussed this before and you know I dont use it as a tool to take money out of the mouths of single moms with child(ren) to feed. If you want to discuss this more, hit me bc.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 1239 reads
posted
25 / 30

Granted, but this is not about "whether negotiating happens," it is about it being RUDE. You're not the one on our side, so easy for you to say "I don't think it's rude...it's business." Let me break it down like this...

If I am framed for murder and I can't afford 500 an hour for an attorney that knows what he is doing, that's not rude to present my situation when MY LIFE is on the line.  His compassion is at play in that scenario. On that same principle if I have a child dying of cancer and can't afford critical care, again...that's fair to try and plead my cause because of a dying child I want to save. Some guy who wants his d*ck sucked for a second time that month, has no right to try and play the damn victim card saying "Boo fkin hoo I don't have the cash to pay for a nut this time." Sex is not a need, it is a want. If you don't believe that theory wait until your house is in foreclosure and you must CHOOSE to pay your mortgage or pay for sex...I can bet you 99 percent will not lose their house over a piece of ass.  

You forget this is not a soup kitchen where we are feeding starving people, because if that were the case, no problem.  I don't feel sorry for men who try to negotiate a damn nut. I think the fathers who are on Welfare would die if they saw this shit, because they can't afford to pay a 300 dollar electric bill much less pay 300 for an escort.

bluepillman 1395 reads
posted
26 / 30

Again, I dont think it is rude to make a lady an offer, specifically for an extended date. Its rude to try and hurt the ladies rep with others if she declines.

I do it (negotiate) in very rare circumstances that you and I have talked about privately. In each and every case the girl was thankful and either saw me again or would see me again. I dont use negotiating as a tool to screw someone over. I have always believed negotiations can and should be a win/win.  

If that last line doesnt make sense to anyone, i would gladly discuss it by pm as I dont want to take up any more time on the NB to discuss this topic. I probably should have just let my first post on the subject be my only post. My bad on that.

WondersOfTheWrld 1244 reads
posted
27 / 30
Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1267 reads
posted
28 / 30

I had a guy contact me recently who was from Columbus (I'm based in Cincinnati, roughly two hours away). My shortest/cheapest appointment is $450, and this guy asked me, "If I come down to Cincinnati, will you take $300?" My response was simple: "If you drove down here to eat at one of the local restaurants, do you think they'd knock 1/3 of the total off of your bill just because you drove two hours to eat there?" That shut him up pretty quickly.

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