I've had my share of providers, but mostly 'lowend' providers, the type that are in town for a few weeks then are never heard of again.

What is the best way to start getting references so I can start seeing higher end providers and agencies?

Do some research on this board because there are a lot of threads regarding this topic.

If some of these "low end" providers have legitimate websites, some gals might accept them as references as well.

1) Join a verification site like Preferred 411 or DateCheck (not absolutely necessary, but it just makes things easier)
2) Look for reputable providers on those sites and here, who specify that they are newbie friendly (expect to still have to give personal info to get screened until you have sufficient references)
3) Make a date following the lady's guidelines and exercise proper etiquitte
4) Repeat as needed to aquire additional references
5) It also doesn't hurt to establish a presence on your local board, by initiating posts or at least participating in other's threads

It's all about how you word your email or text and present yourself.

Some providers won't accept a provider reference if the provider doesn't screen her own clients.

why didn't you ask them to Whitelist you here?  The ones you rated good, that is.  I agree with the others on the verification sites.  If any of the gals you have seen are members, they could help you get on the sites by inviting you.  Gina, who runs P411 will work with you  to get verified if you can't get a provider to vouch for you to the site.

Swim

He's the only reviewer for all the providers he has seen except two.
In the other two, there's only one other reviewer.

None of them have their reviews linked.
Even if they did link their reviews and white list him, it would look suspicious since the provider only has one review (his).

1.)  See a "mid range" reputable provider that will see you and will provide a reference for you.  It may take a few calls or e-mails but you'll find one.
2.)  Use the lady you see in #1 above to see a "higher end" provider that will accept her as a reference and will also provide a reference or White List for you.  Again, it may take a few calls or e-mails but you'll find one.  It's also pretty easy to figure out using TER what ladies in your area will White List clients.  I'm sure quite a few probably do and others do not under any circumstances.  
3.)  Use your new found White List to see another "higher end" provider who will White List you and you are pretty much off to the races with your two White Lists.  You can also ask the lady you see in #2 above if she has any providers she'd recommend to you.  If she is a higher end provider it's very likely she knows other higher end providers.  If she's recommending someone she'll most likely be a reference for you in that case (or she'll get jealous, but that's another topic for another time).

More important than any of the above though is when you e-mail or text a provider you need to come off looking like a decent guy and someone they want to spend time with.  Write complete sentences, be polite, use spell check, read their web site or ad and answer their questions, etc.  I cannot tell you how many providers I have seen that clearly indicate that they "check references" or state "no one will be seen without a reference" that never checked any of my references just because of the way my initial e-mail/text was presented to them.  

In a perfect world eventaully you'll be able to find that one provider that you see every so often that will be your "go to" reference.  The problem I have found with those is they either retire, go MIA, or get jealous so I always make sure I have that "back up" reference just in case it's needed.

To accomplish everything above doesn't take very long if you see a lot of ladies.  I average about 4 new ones a month so it was fairly easy for me.

P411, RoomService, & DateCheck are probably all great, however why pay for something if you don't need to, especially when there is no "guarantee" the providers you want to see will even take that.  

Good Luck

FYI, I know many ladies who would never accept a reference from some girl who did not screen a guy to begin with. What's the point? If she is that stupid, why would I trust her? He could USE her to bust ME! Nope...I want a provider with at least a six month review history on TER and a personal website..not some bs.  

In those cases, I still require personal info. and I don't much care if I am "passed by." My life is more important than a few bucks. Also, just because a woman does not check your references does not mean she did not screen you. If you use an email or phone number that can be traced back to who you are, it takes less than 3 min. to find that out.

LR,  

I respect your opinion and agree that any providers life is worth more than a few bucks.  I also can't disagree with the points you made.  I was just stating what worked for me and continues to work for me.  Every provider is different in their method of screening. For every one of you there could be a dozen "reputable" providers with review history and web sites who aren't as "strict" on their screening.    

In the beginning a new hobbyist may have to give out his personal information.  Each hobbyist has to make the decision to do that or not do that on their own.    

My hobby e-mail address & my phone number trace back to nothing.  If they did trace back to me that would defeat the purpose of attempting to remain anonymous.    

 

 

These guys don't have the smarts to be able to discern a reputable provider from a total rip off yet, so by telling them to pick one who is stupid enough to see them with NO SCREENING, I just think it might be dangerous. How many times do we tell these guys a woman who does not screen, is probably not concerned about her life much less her health? That was my only issue. The chain effect of your theory actually makes sense if you can pick that first provider the right way.

In his case, many providers would never see him based on his reviews...I know I wouldn't, because NONE of those women are what I would consider reputable or well reviewed. When I see a guy who has nothing but low end providers, I don't even understand why he could contact me in the first place. I am paranoid though lol. I am not saying they are BAD women, but they would do nothing as far as verification is concerned. I think he should have used an alias to review these women and then had a high end girl white list his HANDLE. The company you keep speaks volumes.

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LR,  I never took into consideration that my advice could land a guy in jail.  I could see that happening if one wasn't careful in who they chose first.  I'm in a large city where there are tons of providers and it may have been easier to start here as opposed to somewhere else.   In my area there are lots of providers with reviews on TER and other sites, that have web sites, and do little or no screening.  The first two ladies I saw had more than 40 reviews combined and they saw me as a newbie with no references.  They were probably a little leery about me being a newbie and I know for the first one I was worried about going to jail.  Maybe I just got lucky??  They weren't the first two calls I made so it did take some time.  Now though the ladies I see I want to be screened by them.

Regarding your statement below I couldn't agree with you more.
   
"In his case, many providers would never see him based on his reviews...I know I wouldn't, because NONE of those women are what I would consider reputable or well reviewed. When I see a guy who has nothing but low end providers, I don't even understand why he could contact me in the first place."