I was thinking about doing a 4-6 hr appt with a provider I saw once b4 for 1 hr. I'll prob need to shower before I leave and noticed that many others do that. My question is how safe is ur stuff i.e.duffel bag, wallet, when you shower? I thought about taking everything with me into the shower and not leave it alone with her but would that be offensive to somebody?  

And the reason for the duffel bag is bc i will in in gym shorts as my excuse is going to the park with the boys.. so the bag is for change of cloths and a firearm that i always carry around for safety, especially while seeing a provider as I hear of many hobbyist getting scammed or robbed.

My gut reaction to your post is to say that bringing a gun is asking for trouble.  I can think of literally no situation in which you are better off with a gun than without one.

as far as wallet etc. goes, I don't think I would bring much more cash than I expected to pay the provider and taking an inventory of valuables certainly would be a good idea... but again the presence of a gun in the bag changes the entire equation.

If I knew a hobbyist had a firearm at the appointment, he would be shown the door.  If you have seen this lady before, why are you bringing a gun.

Are you trolling CL for ladies?  If you are visiting well-known, well-reviewed ladies, you do not have to be worried about being ripped off.

If you feel the need to bring your duffel bag in, do so.  Better yet, since you have seen her before, bring just the donation with you and lock your wallet in your vehicle.

If you are picking up CL ladies without reviews, and you get busted, aren't there laws about carrying concealed weapons???

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Well, thats the reason for the duffel bag, to not reveal that I have something to protect myself and scare the girl.. Plus here in the south, you are allowed to conceal ur weapon if you have an pistol permit.  Just can't take it to public places, government buildings, and large crowd gatherings.

And no shes not a CL lady, I've tried that twice and decided its best to stay away.. My provider is well reviewed on the local NOLA boards but not on TER.. But I figured, hey, Can't be too careful. And as long as she doesnt open my bag, she'll never know either.

Once word gets out about the gun, you'll be on more DNS lists than you could ever imagine.

I do not care if you are from the south, or the wild, wild west... the fact remains that you have already seen her!  If you do not trust her enough to see her without "packing heat," I would suggest not returning to see her.  She is not a complete stranger.

And when you open that duffle bag for a change of clothes, if she sees the gun, she is likely to panic and suspect you are looking to hurt her or rob her. What if she screams or yells help?

Your comment "protect yourself and scare the girl" is quite distressing!  

Please take this suggestion in the spirit its made... when you hear of rip-offs, its normally about girls who are not reviewed and respected. I don't know about the NOLA boards, but I would suspect they have a forum for reporting unsavory providers.

If you need a gun to visit a lady you have already met, this hobby is probably not for you.

So you are going to bring a concealed weapon to an appointment that is illegal to begin with? You have already seen this girl for an hour and you feel worried enough about your safety that you need to bring a gun with you.

I'd say bathing arrangements are the least of your problems...

Point well made about the trust.. I shall heed ur advice and leave the gun in the car. Being that the the incall is her place, I think it will be better to respect ur place and not bring it..

What to do if its an outcall to my place though? Thats where I heard most hobbyists get beatup/robbed by the drivers. Would it be bad to hide my firearm in a dresser or in the duffel bag?  
By my place, I mean my hotel, not my home

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None of my belongings ever leave my sight. I don't see how bringing your stuff into the bathroom would be offensive. You're going to get dressed after showering anyway, right?

I always carry a concealed gun, but I never bring it with me to an appointment, and I also remove my holster before I go in. I don't bottom feed when picking providers so I am never worried about getting robbed. And for your information, some providers have guns stashed away around their incall. A provider showed me one of her guns (she also has a license to carry concealed). It was literally under my ass in the sofa. You don't want a packin' provider to see your gun and freak out and go for hers.

There is NO good reason to bring a gun to a session. EVER.

I prefer clients not bring large bags (because maybe there's a fucking gun and some duct tape and knives, no?) and if you bring no valuables I'm happy because then neither of us has to worry about you loosing them.

Did I say, don't bring a gun?!?
He'll, I knew my extremely wordy etiquette page was missing SOMEthing!
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So do ladies actually have to add "NO GUNS" to their etiquette list? Sorry, but I find the duffel almost as wrong. Besides all of the nasty stuff it might contain that could be used to cause physical harm, recording equipment of various sorts would not be outside the range of possibility. Ladies, you should consider adding metal detectors. Is full body scanning next?

...did she screen you before meeting with you for the first time? She obviously did this for her protection. You say she's well reviewed...did any of the reviews mention that she has sticky fingers? You say the bag is your excuse to get out of the house...well, you don't actually have to carry the charade all the way to the rendezvous! Leave the bag in the car...she probably already has everything you need to have a great time, gun not included.

I am all for persons with CCW permits doing so...  (as I did when I had one).  However due to the dubious legality of the expected activities, I think it increases your danger should your play time be discovered.  
If you feel insecure about valueables, bring only your donation & ID to the meeting.  I have occasionally done so on first meetings.  If a meeting is planned, place your valueables in the trunk at a previous stop so that you'd not be observed doing so on arrival.

The easy stuff first...

Many of the other responses are well stated and appropriate.

A single one hour appointment does not trust make. Limit what you take to your appointment and keep your valuables with you at all times. Better yet, take no valuables with you.

She wouldn't be offended, but if she is, then tough shit - she was probably wanting to rip you off.

I am nearly at a loss for words over the stupidity of this! What the fuck do you need a gun for?! If you are so paranoid that you need a gun for someone you have A) seen before; B) is well reviewed and C) you're going to see for 4-6 hours, then you need to stay home, lock your doors and pull the shades!

A concealed carry permit is not the same as the knowledge of when you can and cannot use a weapon, let alone how to. You can't use a weapon because you're being scammed.

Most states are quite clear that lethal force is only appropriate to protect imminent loss of life or bodily harm. Her putting your money away and not providing any "expected services" does not count.

Because if guys are reporting that they are being beaten and robbed by drivers, I would say that there are some questionnable ladies that board.

Look on TER.  Find ladies with pages of GOOD reviews from established hobbyists. Not a newbie with one or two reviews from first time reviewers.  If you haven't invested in V.I.P., you should.  You can, not only read about the lady, but also look up the reviewers.

Become familiar with TERs rip-off board.

Lock your valuables and gun in your "in-room safe."

If there is nothing to steal.  The point is moot!  Even though, unless you are staying in a dive, hotel security would pretty much preclude a rip-off from a "driver."

I think what has happened is you have read horror stories and misinterpreted them.  You are reading about CL ladies, with no reviews, meeting guys at the guys home or at a Red Roof Inn or Motel 6.  Not a 3.5 or 4 Star Hotel.  

If, after that, you are still inclined to "carry a firearm" when meeting a lady, I would suggest a different hobby; fly fishing, bowling, skeet or trap shooting, frequenting strip clubs, etc.

Your level of apprehension is way out of proportion to the risk if you've done your research,  

Good luck!

Thought this was gonna be about taking a shower with the provider!

I have to agree with you that carrying a permit is NOWHERE nearly as important as knowing HOW and WHEN to use the gun.. And I would never use a weapon on someone for scamming me.  

To defend myself by saying this:

I have to admit that I have never had to pull my gun on anyone as I am good at diffusing a situation. I always try to avoid conflict as a first option . if its unavoidable, I know that i can defend myself adequately WITHOUT the firearm as I am a jujitsu black belt. The only time I would ever imagine myself using one is if I'm outnumbered or if the opponent has some kind of weapon I am not comfortable going up against.  that being said, I only remember being in one fight all my life and that dates back to my high school years.

Hence I would never use it in the situations u stated.

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Ur rite she did screen me the first time and I passed as I do not have any type of record. And it was an outcall to my hotel so I didn't need a "duffel bag".  She did have a bag of fun "goodies" that made me a bit nervous bc I didnt know what was in it so I see where ur coming from.  I guess an incall at her place would make me a lil nervous as I have only met her for 1 hr prior. But i will respect her place and feelings and leave the bag in the car.

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Don't be a fool. If it's a scam, let her get the $200. It's not worth your life or hers.

So what if you kill her with your gun for stealing your $.  You go to jail for life for killin a call girl.

Jezzzzzzzz

The hard gun in between my legs .. hahahaa

A bit off the topic, but is there really a "DNS" list out there?  I was wondering if there was a service that tracked clients who may have done something to upset a provider.

Un-Fucking-Real.  Pal, if you feel you have to take a damn gun to a date, you are in the wrong hobby.  Not to mention that your choice of ladies has to really suck, if you are that worried.

You guys that read this may say I'm nuts, but I have left my stuff in the room with providers while in the bathroom, and never gave it a second thought.  If you/I have done our research properly, this should not be a concern.  High quality providers are not gonna risk their reputations for the few bucks you might have in your wallet or the stuff in your pockets.

If you have seen this lady before, and you are that paranoid, get out of the hobby......

Swim

Being that I'm from Biloxi, MS. Well reviewed providers is far and few in between for those areas.. I also frequent to NOLA and Alabama with the same conditions, a bit better with NOLA but thats a 2 hr drive per session.  There is also no local boards for any of those areas here so I have to use other local boards to do proper research.

I have to agree with hound-dog that carrying a permit is NOWHERE nearly as important as knowing HOW and WHEN to use the gun.. And I would never use a weapon on someone for scamming me. I just brought that up to point out examples of bad things that can possibly happen.

To defend myself by saying this:

I have to admit that I have never had to pull my gun on anyone as I am good at diffusing a situation. I always try to avoid conflict as a first option. if its unavoidable, I know that i can defend myself adequately WITHOUT the firearm as I am a jujitsu black belt. The only time I would ever imagine myself using one is if I'm outnumbered or if the opponent has some kind of weapon I am not comfortable going up against.  that being said, I only remember being in one fight all my life and that dates back to my high school years.

Hence I would never use it in any situations posted above. the Glock is saved for defense purposes so I would never use it offensively to go after someone with my money.

And being from Biloxi,MS; well reviewed ladies are far and few inbetween esp ones of my preference (under 30 years old spinners). So you can never find a well reviewed lady.. I also travel to alabama and NOLA but the the same situation applies.

With that said, Many posters here have valid points that I will follow. Thus, no duffel bags to a ladies incall out of respect for the lady's place and mental well-being. Because I know I would be a bit nervous if the provider shows up with some type of bag and i don't know whats in there.

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I'm surprised no one has come up with the most simple answer of all.  Ask her to join you in the shower!

Let's assume for the moment you are a black belt as you state. That makes it even worse. You come off as completely paranoid about defending yourself against a mostly non-existent threat. And now you're saying you bring lethal weapons when you are MORE than capable of defending or diffusing any situation?!

You reek of the morons I knew who would carry because they can, and because they think it's cool.

Dude, stop while you're ahead.

You can never be too careful rite? Better to have and never need to use it than to need it and not have it..

like my storm shelter, I have at my house. Paid a buttload for it in case of tornadoes, but haven't need to use it yet, thank god.. Or health insurance, I have it but never had any major injuries or illnesses to really need to use it. But I purchase just in case I need it.

with that said, I have already stated in a previous post above acknowledging the insight of seasoned hobbyists and my decision to leave the gun in the car.

Most of the gentleman I see leave their things on the desk in plain site.....watches, phones, money clips.  I don't touch their stuff, for what, I have my own for gods sakes!  

I don't have to steal anything to have nice things.  This is downright scary and somewhat insulting.

Scary!

♥ Ava

BRILLIANT!!

Most ladies keep their own list of guys that won't get in the door.  The reasons could be anything; carrying a gun would be on the list for most.

There are also blacklists out there, where ladies communicate about other guys.  Some are total crap and others are valuable to the ladies.

Ok.  I read all the way through this thread with my mouth dropping further and further. I work, walk, and play in areas that the CCW crowd would be too afraid to even drive through.   Have been doing so for many years. Employ people who go into the same areas, in more than 25 years have not had as much as a car scratch. Have played for 15 years without even the hint of issues (beyond upsells).  This CCW paranoia based on misperception and fantasy is just that.  See the related post on FUT.

Welcome to Chicago.  I myself spent a great deal off my life in MS.  Forget what you think you know about gun laws.  Unless you got your permit from Illinois official we don't recognize yours.  If you hobby and get caught with a gun a charge can easily be bumped to a felony even if you obtained the gun legally, but used in the  commission of a crime, prostitution (in the car in IL against the law if not locked up) it no longer matters legal or not just present.  If you stick with well review ladies you should not have to worry about your safety. If you still have problems change hobbies.
Doc

clearly this was a bad idea based on all the responses. And I hope to make things a bit easier on the minds of the ladies, I have never actually carried a gun to an incall appointment. . Just a thought I had, but I'm glad you showed me the views of all sides. I usually leave it in the car or concealed at my outcall hotel and shall continue to do so

yea, I know MS permits are reciprocal in many states and Illinois isnt one. Nor do I plan to do a 18 hr drive up there anytime soon. If I do make my way up there, it'll be via plane and the gun will definitely stay at home then.

I concur

in which you wrote "that i always carry [a firearm] around for safety, especially while seeing a provider as I hear of many hobbyist getting scammed or robbed."  For those of us that think bringing a gun AT ALL is a crazy overreaction to the real or perceived threat of getting cheated, I think you're getting yourself in deeper.
My sense is that you never would have posted this if you were actually a violent or dangerous person, but I'm not a provider and I can't say how comfortable I would feel if I were.  Just leave the gun at home.  
By the way -- if you use that gun and kill someone during an illegal act -- misdemeanor or felony -- you can forget any self defense plea.  You are going away for a long time.

Many ladies do not like luggage...  possible concealment of hidden (audio/video) recording equipment...  though these days they can be very small.  

Well I apprec the comment that I'm not a dangerous person.

but it is true that I have never carried a gun into a provider's incall before.

1. because I'm usually a 1 hr guy so it doesnt leave much time for the shower hence no need for a gym bag. The biggest reason for the bag in this instance is bc this is a 4-6 hr dinner date so I would need cloths to change into bc gym shorts isnt the best attire for dinner.  Normally I wouldn't care about a change in cloths cuz they dont stay on for long.

2. The point of concealing a weapon is to keep it concealed. I would never keep it straped to my leg only to undress and reveal it. since i usually don't have a gym bag for change of clothes, i just leave it in the car. So yea, I do always carry one, but would leave it in the car if I knew I can't conceal it; mainly to not alarm anyone.

In MI it is not that unusual for people to apply for a permit and carry a gun. I don't want to give away to much but both my mother and father are from MI and most of my  relatives carry a gun.   I think the problem is what do you do with it when you see a provider.   Leave it in the car? Maybe still be an illegal gun if you get busted.  The point is illegal activities and guns do not mix, leave it home or take it home first.  IMHO
Doc

During a recent home invasion in MN the husband pulled a shotgun on the intruder with the intent to "Defend" himself and his property. He ended up shooting is wife on accident.

Shit happens, this is not the fucking movies Bruce Wills

a gun?! you bring a gun?! this is 2010, not the Wild West or the OK Corral, leave your guns at home!

you're worried that the provider would be offended by your suspicion of her possible snooping, but not by your bringing a gun into her home?! your head is so far up your ass it's a wonder that you're able to find the time to hobby. for the safety and sanity of the women who may be put in danger by your sheer pressece, do us all providers a favor and be gone.

Take it to the PR board, otherwise please STFU and drop the alias as well as the agenda.   Sorry Mod I'll be nice to newbies but this poster shoud know better.  IMO
Doc

1. If you feel THAT unsafe around a woman, you shouldn't be seeing her AT ALL. Pick providers you feel safe enough around that you don't need a gun.

2. Possession of a gun while committing some other crime generally elevates the whole mess to a felony -- often with federal involvement. Only an idiot would bring a gun to date with a provider.

Now, I am NOT an anti-gun nut. I'm a competitive shooter and have licenses to carry valid in 18 states. I've been to lots and lots of tactical handgun training. I really like guns.

But there is a time and place for everything. You don't bring your wife and kids to an appointment with a provider and you don't bring a gun.

If you must bring stuff, bring unopened sex toys and the gun just above your testicles. Have fun.

That is exactly true, being in the hobby, you should know that you can't apply one incident to everyone.  Are u gonna say all providers are bad based on that one bad CL incidence?  No, that why ur still here. So please compare me to old trigger happy husband.

With that said, u don't need to worry about me using my gun to "be a hero". I'm not here to change or better the world, but I'm not out to wreck it either.

It would seem that everyone has had an opportunity to make their point, and I think quite effectively for the most part.

This thread is officially closed.  Any further discussion will result in moderation or worse.

Red face for attention, not anger.