Newbie - FAQ

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swimtrekr 58 Reviews 219 reads
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Never hurts to remind everyone what all is out there, and to screen and research carefully.

Swim

Bait & Switch...  ads with pictures not her own or seriously out of date or sends another provider

Runner or 'cash & dash'  Grabs the cash & bolts for the door.

Runner or 'take off' After recieving the cash, announces she left the condoms in the car, goes out to get them & runs.  

Runner After recieving cash, does not have condoms, you drive her to the store, she runs...

Runner After recieving cash, does not have condoms, you drive her to the store, you wait outside, she tells the clerk a story (coersion, pressure etc) is let out another door...  she runs...  

She promises/implies services which are withdrawn from menu after payment.  (This refers mainly to large scale changes)

The switchero  First review BBBJ, later customers CBJ.

Reviewed:  Link to TER or other reviews.  Take he time to read the reviews.  Existance of reviews does not mean they are good reviews!  

Up sell:  She collects payment for what is supposed to be all inclusve session & suddenly services are extra cost.

The Banker:  Asks for cash advances or loans, sometimes to be worked off or repaid in cash... then refuses your calls or disappears.

The Deposit Ripoff:
There are exceptions where it might make sense to pay a deposit... like travel expenses or a large time block reserved (over night, weekend, an extended night of dinner & dancing). But in general, deposits leave you open to be ripped off. You pay the deposit & she suddenly becomes hard to reach or ignores you all together. There's no way to force compliance. You can't legally contract for an illegal act.

Thief:  When you are not looking, items or cash disappear.

Scout:  After appointment your residence is burlarized.  

Rip Off:  After he paid the sexy gal in the photos announced "I'm Not in the mood!"  

Blackmail
The provider finds out too much personal information about you, and threatens to post or give out your information to who ever (job, media, family) in exchange for money.

She seems legit, you are getting "comfortable" and all of a sudden some big ape is pounding on the door or busting down the door and you just want to get out of there with your life.

Or girl or her thug block your exit and you aren't allowed to leave unless you give them all the money you have in your possession.

Or the ones where she is stalling for time, you may be undressed but she still has her clothes on, she is doing a little dance, strip tease, etc, mostly dressed. Outside one of her friends is breaking in your car and stealing anything and everything they can find of value. The session doesn't actually happen, she's stalled long enough that you pretty much know you've been screwed, you go back outside to find your car's been broken into and she acts like she knows nothing about it. (I read a review on another site where this is standard MO at this girl's incall).

I also read a review the other day where the girl took the money and then went to the bathroom and locked the door, and didn't come out - the guy waited 4 hrs and she did not come out. (said she had a computer and phone in bathroom with her btw).        

Those scammers are very slick... they have the move all planned & can even be out the door before you can protest. There are some who should be in the Olympics... track team! Many of the scams work best (against us) on out-calls to your home or hotel room. Place the donation well into the bedroom, not near the door!

I should caution that it's illegal to physically lock someone in or physically restrain them... think kidnapping or unlawful restraint charges... we don't have to make ourselves look like an easy mark! This is supposed to be FUN! Again, well reviewed providers are the best bet for newbies & the risk adverse.  

I want to THANK all the Experienced Hobbiests & Providers who contributed to this list.  Some of these are very creative.   I continue to add to the list from our collective experiences.  SCAMMERS spoil this for both hobbiests & providers...  
HV

-- Modified on 2/12/2013 11:23:07 AM

Never hurts to remind everyone what all is out there, and to screen and research carefully.

Swim

that if you have to be told about all these scams you really should be sticking with well established and well reviewed providers. Most of these scams are run by ladies with no profile, no track record, because if they had a track record people would know what is coming and look elsewhere.

So until you know the ropes, play it safe and choose ladies who have the track record, lots of good, recent reviews. Also, check do a search on the lady on your local board to see if anything has come up that did not make it into reviews, such as a history of NCNS, or some other misbehavior. Amazing stuff may appear. Consider befriending frequent posters on that local board, too, via PM, and feel free to ask if they have any info on a lady. Some guys are happy to help, while others are cranky bitches, but do not be discouraged by them.

Now, if someome could explain to me how guys end up seeing ladies with consistently, lousy reviews and then post similar ones, that would help. If you know she is a 4/3, comes about as close to a ROB as she can without doing a cash and dash, why the hell go to see her?

Just one of the mysteries of life, I suppose.

zig

There are just too many SCAMs & RIPOFFs tricks to guard against them all.  Clients & Providers have to swallow hard & trust it will work out.  The best advise is for Newbies & the Risk adverse to stick to well reviewed providers.  
The scams presented might help someone out when all else fails but the whole is best avoided entirely by doing proper research in advance.  Profile, real pictures, recent pictures, delivered as promised, follow the link to the pictures, read some reviews.  

Experienced hobbiests do venture out into the world of TOFTT...  with mixed results.  At least the experience lets them know when something does not seem right.  

The one that got me was the tale of woe...  
After she collects the donation, he drives her to the late night pharmacy...  she tearfully tells the clerk that 'the guy in the car' has sent her in to buy condoms but she doesn't want to.  She's let out the back door.  When he goes in looking for her, they call the Police.  
Another correspondant...  the gal didn't have condoms...  goes to the hotel gift shop to buy them.  But before they went down, he said he wasn't comfortable with that & he got the donation back.  She needed money so he gave her a 20 instead of the big bills.  So when she ran, she only got the 20!  
I bring a sealed 3 pack with me...  but that doesn't negate ALL the scams.  
She says get comfortable on the bed while change in the bathroom...  you are naked when she bolts for the door & she's closer...

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