if the client can't work the tool and it keeps slipping, not doing the job,is it okay for him not to pay or feel obligated to pay half of the set agreement posted because he didn't get off? and is it the providers fault?...............what about attempting to do everything thats told would "work"???!!!!!!?@#$%#$

if there are performance issues you cant be responsible for that as long as you are doing your best to make him happy.

He books for an hour, he pays  for an hour... end  of story.

What was agreed upon, is what it is. No if's, and's or butt's?

Unless of course it was something you did.

The "you're paid for your time" line is, of course, not true.  We all know that you're really paid for what you deliver during the alloted time.

But, in this case, where the young lady tried to deliver the service, she clearly doesn't owe the guy a refund or partial refund. If he can't get it up or finish, that's his problem, not her's.

But I hate this "you are paid for your time" mentality. Before I found TER, I got ripped off by a lady who took the money and refused to even take off her clothes since I was "just paying for my time...anything else is illegal."

Caps,

So sorry to hear you were ripped off by an unscrupulous trickster....however don't let that one bad experience cloud your definition of what a great provider really does.

This is how you came off with your last statement:

You walk into your dates with your Johnson hanging out...standing at attention ready to roll. We can expect not to have any sort of conversation with you at all ever...just walk in and pound us. You will not appreciate the atmosphere we set, how we carry ourselves in a conversation, how our bodies are neatly cut yet soft, or any of that. You don't want anything to drink. No cocktails, no snacks afterwards, no shower, no massage, no cuddling, no lap dance, nothing.

You are not interested in spending any time with the lady of your choice you are interested in a blow and go.

Maybe that is why you don't understand the whole concept of: We are paid for our time.

The sex part of our job is easy anyone can gap them legs open and say OK JUMP IN FIRST ONE IN LAST ONE OUT!!!! I don't roll like that....

I don't know any provider who does...unless it is some sort of fantasy date....where the client specifically request a blow and go.


Allure`

to give the gent the tools to make an informed determination about whether a particular lady might be a good "match" for him, and to determine what to expect in terms of quality of service.

That being said, the OP is not responsible for the gents malfunctions, unless she is such a fright that biology could not overcome it lol

The "time only" line is a legalism of dubious value but many ladies feel "comfortable" using it. No probs as long as they don't take it any more seriously than that.

We are paid for our time. that's why we have multi hour rates, over night rates etc. i will concede  some girls have a la carte menus  where you really are paying for specific acts a 150 bolw job, a 100 hand job but here in TER land that's really very rare and usually asscoiated with a lower end  situation. Streetwalkers come to mind. (god bless um we all gotta make a living)

Howerver when you book with  a "provider" What we do during that time together is a matter of individual choice. cuz honestly I've never come across the guy who could fuck for 12 hours straight and I've dated some real studs and book a lot of 12 hour meetings with guys.

Even if she is frightening (not to suggest she is) he still booked with her and stayed, if he cant get his manhood to function and shes doing her best to help with that then the idea of a discount refund is ridiculous. If she was frighting he had to option to leave when she opened the door.

if you doubt me try spending entire dates playing scrabble and watch your 9's and 10's turn into 2's and 3's. There are guys of course that just want to talk or cuddle or whatever, but the vast majority of us are here for the sex.

That said, I agree with the consensus that the OP is most certainly entitled to her fee unless she was directly responsible for the guy's lack of ability to perform (not likely)

your reasons for being there doesn't dictate how we run or business. We charge for our "time", you book specific amounts of "time" we expect you to compensate us if you go over or extend your "time"

We are paid for our time and if you don't think so try asking for any of your money back after you pop in 5 mins.

seriously try it and see what happens.

*shaken head*

Yes you are being paid for your "time", but you are also being paid for what happens during that time.

Both GTM and I are trying to agree with most of what you are saying. If after opening the door I choose to stay for the session I expect to pay for it whether or not I can perform or finish.

I have never had a problem performing, but I routinely cannot finish especially if I see more than two ladies in the same day. I would never expect a refund in the cases where I do not finish, nor would I expect a provider to offer a refund if a client is unable to perform.

I do take issue with the statement that a provider is paid "strictly" for her time. If that time is not spent making her client happy she is not going to have a very successful career. I don't think any reasonable person could take issue with that statement.

Making your clients happy makes you a good provider be that a sex-a-thon or playing a 2 our game of scrabble. none the less it is the time spent you are paying for and based on your statement you seem to already know that.

the OP wanted to know if they were supposed to give a refund because the client had performance issues. And you seem to say no, you don't owe a refund so then way are you trying to teach new people that what they are doing is paying for acts not time spent with a provider.

come on you know better then that.

If so, you got ripped off and might want to consider blacklisting him so other providers will know to be wary of him...

He may not have understood that he was paying you for your time, and for your best efforts.  
Unless you state in your ad that you're a miracle worker who can make even Lazarus cum--with a money back guarantee, no less...he has no right to expect  a freebie or a discount.

I've been told to always get the money up front to prevent the unscrupulous and/or severely confused from attempting this.

Sorry this happened to you...

DC.

Nothing in my post even remotely said what you're implying. What I did say is that ladies are paid for what they deliver during the alloted time.

That doesn't mean the experience you described. It does mean that we're not there to just talk about the weather or play chess.  Some guys -- like me -- prefer a slow build-up to the main event with a lot of foreplay; others like to move quicker so they can get multiple pops in. But except for the occassional "cuddler only", we all EXPECT to have some form of sex during the alloted time.

I understand that your rates are based on a set amount of time, but do you really think that guys don't expect to have a certain experience during that time? Of course you don't. Based on your reviews -- and your reaction to the girl who took my $$$ and wouldn't take off her clothes or let me touch her -- you know that a sexual experience is part of the equation.

And, that is why the original poster is owed her FULL fee. She attempted to deliver this experience. The failure was not on her part.

Lets look at this another way shall we?

I loveeeeee seafood....it is my favorite thing to eat. My favorite resturant in Cleveland is Pier W. My tab alone is usually $225.00+...however 99% of their menu I can actually cook myself or get it cheaper at another resturant whos building and staff are not as on point as theirs.

Now they can take that same food and serve out of a crappy looking, smelly building, next to the city landfill, with menus that are falling apart, and the server can do their job efficiently but not in a professional people friend manner....and because the ATMOSPHERE WAS A SHITTY EXPERIENCE....most Pier W consumers are going to write that off as the resturant SUCKS ASS. The food may be just as good as it is in their current building...but no one pays for just good food....IT HAS TO BE THE TOTAL PACKAGE! Hence, I have never seen a 5 star resturant with a DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW.

I pay $225.00+ for the cleanliness, the absolutely stunning views, the staff are sooooo professional, they all look like they just stepped out of a magazine, they have live jazz music, and everything is top notch. I pay it because the owners of that resturant have put in millions and did their homework on how to keep customers, I AM PAYING FOR THEIR TIME!!! Again, I can cook that food myself....

I happen to have a partial spinal cord injury...  it can take me a while but an hour will do nicely if we hit the right spots.  

I've had women, get up, say "time's up" & get dressed.  (Need I say, I don't go back!)

I have Favs...  I explained the situation to one & her reply was "That won't be a problem".  Another said to me recently, "You weren't leaving until we finished what we started."  Fortunately #1 only provides occasionally & I was her only visit that day & #2 leaves genereous time between visits so is never rushed.  

That said, I've had a great time but as the time was winding down, I'd not finished.  At that point, the lady can do whatever it takes to complete.  Sometimes that's a HJ.  Sometimes a BJ plus hand.  My Favs know that I can finish by hand...  it's not like it won't work (a fair question).  In fact, I've been with other quality providers...  who do "what ever it takes".    

If that still doesn't work, then it ain't happening...  definately not her fault...  payment in full.   The flip side of this is the guy's responsibility...  if you take a while, don't book short appointments!  

Part of being a good provider is time management without getting caught watching a clock.  And it's knowing when to ramp up to a finish.  A thread recently described hidden clocks, change in music, etc.
jtp

You DO NOT offer a refund nor should he ask for one.

This situation will happen & more often on a first date than 3rd.  Keep doing what you're doing & you'll be fine. The gents know the rules even if they may try to bend them.

And, Alllure, I like the way you eat babe!  My kinda girl

BB

they could sit on their ass and listen to tunes on their ipod and it would make no difference.

You are paing for their

effort
skill
attitude

etc
etc

IE  --- effort.

Specific efforts - efforts which contribute to their reputation and which are noted in their "reviews" by restaurant critics and by customers alike who tell their friends about them.

If their *service* declined they would lose business.

that you are paid *for* the hour or time interval.

(and I was just being flippant about the "fright" part. ED happens and it's the clients prob.)

You are paid for making a reasonable effort to provide a quality / quantity of service. Admittedly your efforts are conditioned to an extent by factors intrinsic to the individual client.

The measure of success from the perspective of the client is not that a certain interval of time passed while they were in your company lol

the measure of success from the perspective of the client is the value they place upon the *experience* they had with you

That value will vary with the individual client.

For a "savvy shopper" it is heavily influenced by your reviews - ie your "menu".

In the end, it all comes down to quality of service.

I agree with jtp - we have to manage our time.   To call a girl a clockwatcher for peeking at the time is a long standing idiotic notion IMO.  Many of us have great internal clocks or hidden ways but a newbie shouldn't label a girl a clockwatcher because she looked at the clock - we need to know where we're at.  Like I said, staring at the clock and being obsessive is ridiculous, but looking at the clock a time or two during the appt is NOT clockwatching.   sorry for the hijack

...I see that you had a bad experience with the "saying" but it's true.  Although we are providers we are also, quite often escorts who go to dinner, attend functions, talk and enjoy our appointments.  And in the case of the "overnight" we even get paid to sleep.  Sure, the menu is what it is and we offer those services but it's NOT what we get paid for in the sense you describe and to say we don't get paid for our time is not accurate IMO.

Fair enough in your thinking but you might be surprised that not ALL dates include sex.  Most but not ALL.

I dont mind going over in a session at all....however...I have my limits...

If none of us watched the clock or cut the session off at some point during the evening....would we be expected to stay the night?...and only be paid for an hour.

All providers for that new rule raise your hand!!!


Allure`

of keeping track of the clock.

That's not the same thing that most clients *mean* when they talk about "clock watching" though.

Usually they are referring to the experience of having a session come to a very abrupt end and / or feeling "rushed" to try to cum at the end of the session.

This *would not happen* if the lady du jour kept herself aware of and managed the time and the flow of the session.

But to do so, she *must be* aware of the clock lol......

It depends, I've been hobbying for so long, I start putting on my clothes around the 50 minute mark and then think...wait I am with a Civvie  LOL but true

If its his malfunction,its his problem. You owe him nothing. I hope you didn't fall for that one hon. Got a camara phone? Pull it out next time someone tries that. Amazing how quickly the wallet unfolds!

I don't advocate anything that happened to the OP, but camera phone? Extortion? You sound like a provider that should be given a wide berth.

I agree that time management is a skill and do not object to glancing at a clock occasionally.  Perhaps the term should be eliminated entirely in favor of "was rushed".  
While basking in the afterglow with a Fav lady...  I noticed 2 very small clocks on on either side of the room.  She could not see the bedside clock & neither could I.  The small clocks had been there the 2 + years I've been seeing her & I never noticed her looking.  She never ever rushed me.
jtp

There you go obsessing again GAG get over it! There are consequenses for being an asshole. We could just hire a pimp to come out of the corner and kick your ass. Perhaps that's what you would prefer. Explain those wounds to your wife. Providers have the right to stand up for themselves. If you're not one of these ARROGANT JERKS (who are the minority,thank god) than you have nothing to worry about.

whatever happen to full service thats what i provide a good time with a happy ending and seems like everyone knows that for all fetishs the fee goes up. that what you see in most provider's postin. the time that you pay for should be the time you get ( like a rented car you cant say you didint get to drive it like you wanted to when time is up you give it back or you pay for more time.) so pay for what you really want and everything should go well.  



well that how i feel about paid for time

In order to give service we need the time to do so. So in fact there is little separation of the two. You are paying for the time it takes to provide whatever service the individual lady offers...no time = no service.

This nonsense that a lady should refund or the client only pay half if he didn't get off is ridiculous. She spent her time doing whatever (service) for the guy. She is not responsible for the malfunction of his plumbing. That is if she put in the effort. Now effort can be viewed very subjectively by each party. herein lies the conflict I think.

As far as doing everything that the guy told her to do that might work...if it's unsafe or something she can't do...that's the ymmv caveat and a part of the business. For instance if a guy said to me after me trying everything that greek works, he'd be out of luck as there is no way in hell I will do that. Is it fair I should give him half back if I did my best given my limitations? I think not. I have never had a man in over 9 years attempt this maneuver, so I guess I'm lucky.

If you are paid for your time and the guy shows up and you don't feel like fucking him and just give him a handjob even though he wanted intercourse, then is he entitled to a refund?  

Yes, he was still there for an hour, but there is a tacit agreement that you will deliver the goods.