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swimtrekr 58 Reviews 722 reads
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Why would you want to see that many every week, I would ask.  Word would get around that you are a high volume provider.  After a time, guys would be less apt to come see you because of that.  Most guys prefer lower volume ladies, as opposed to those that see a lot of guys every day.  

I think you would also find out that it would be pretty tough to keep up with that kind of routine, day after day, week after week, month after month. If you just saw 2-3 a day, 5 days a week, that is 2000 to 3000 bucks a week, pretty damn good money in my book, minus expenses of course.  Less wear and tear on you also.

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KGordon2565 reads

How many clients would I be able to see weekly if I charged $200. Would 30 be doable? Also, would it be consistent fo 2-3 years?Or would it slow after month?week?

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but it depends on a big range of factors involving your assets and how good a marketer you are.

I would think that after a while, you would begin to experience burn out at that rate and want to slow it down a bit, but that's also up to you.

I don't know what your local going rat is, but let's assume it's 200. Also, I am assuming that since you're asking, that you haven't done this before.

You would (read should) probably only do two days stints at any given (assuming) incall location, and you would probably only do 4 days a week on average, including time lost to Aunt Flo. I still think thats high, but we'll go with it.

4 days a week would be 7.5 hours a day, of doing your thing. That already sounds bad, to me. I would guess that there are few ladies that could sustain that for more than a week or two before crashing or getting completely burned out on the business - let alone 2-3 years.

Let's say you want to gross $120k (if the local rate is 200, then 100k is probably a good yearly salary). Out of that would come 20k for health care, 5k savings and 15k for retirement - leaving 80k for living expenses. That's a good salary.

At 120k / 200 per appointment, thats 600 appointments per year. Assume you work 10 months out of the year, thats 60 appointments per month, about 15 per week or about 4 per day (in a 4 day average work week).

That still seems like a lot if you haven't already been doing this for a while and know how hard it is staring at all those fat, ugly, smelly dicks. Yes, I am being extreme here to make a point... But no matter how hot the guy might be, if you're burnt out, his dick is going to look disgusting.

My numbers do not include business expenses such as hotel/incall location expenses, outfits, lube, condoms, electronics, etc. Since my number are very general, I assume you can squeeze things here and there to make those work.

My point is, if you thought you were going to make 30 clients x $200 x 50 weeks - to make $300,000 a year, I think you are sadly mistaken.

This can be hard and difficult work. Dangerous at times. Are there good things and benefits and rewards, I am sure, and those will vary from lady to lady, many of whom have done this for several years...

It is not my intent to discourage you, but to make you step back and take an honest look at what is realistic. If you really think you can sustain 30 clients/week, you should give it a try and see how it goes. The danger is that if you burn out, and (we're discussing this on a review site) start to get bad reviews, the business will drop off, and the clients you get may be less desirable.

KGordon1088 reads

I want to do this for 3 years max and stop. Save and maximize. I'm frugal. I'm not doing incall, dildos. Please.

The point is, its physically impossible to do this for longer than a few weeks. I'm low volume and played one week and took a double the appts I normally do. WOW I WAS EXHAUSTED! I took about 5 days off. My advice is to hike rates if you can. You'd be surprised how quickly things add up :)

Take care and more importantly BE SAFE!

Posted By: hound_dog69
I don't know what your local going rat is, but let's assume it's 200. Also, I am assuming that since you're asking, that you haven't done this before.

You would (read should) probably only do two days stints at any given (assuming) incall location, and you would probably only do 4 days a week on average, including time lost to Aunt Flo. I still think thats high, but we'll go with it.

4 days a week would be 7.5 hours a day, of doing your thing. That already sounds bad, to me. I would guess that there are few ladies that could sustain that for more than a week or two before crashing or getting completely burned out on the business - let alone 2-3 years.

Let's say you want to gross $120k (if the local rate is 200, then 100k is probably a good yearly salary). Out of that would come 20k for health care, 5k savings and 15k for retirement - leaving 80k for living expenses. That's a good salary.

At 120k / 200 per appointment, thats 600 appointments per year. Assume you work 10 months out of the year, thats 60 appointments per month, about 15 per week or about 4 per day (in a 4 day average work week).

That still seems like a lot if you haven't already been doing this for a while and know how hard it is staring at all those fat, ugly, smelly dicks. Yes, I am being extreme here to make a point... But no matter how hot the guy might be, if you're burnt out, his dick is going to look disgusting.

My numbers do not include business expenses such as hotel/incall location expenses, outfits, lube, condoms, electronics, etc. Since my number are very general, I assume you can squeeze things here and there to make those work.

My point is, if you thought you were going to make 30 clients x $200 x 50 weeks - to make $300,000 a year, I think you are sadly mistaken.

This can be hard and difficult work. Dangerous at times. Are there good things and benefits and rewards, I am sure, and those will vary from lady to lady, many of whom have done this for several years...

It is not my intent to discourage you, but to make you step back and take an honest look at what is realistic. If you really think you can sustain 30 clients/week, you should give it a try and see how it goes. The danger is that if you burn out, and (we're discussing this on a review site) start to get bad reviews, the business will drop off, and the clients you get may be less desirable.

Why would you want to see that many every week, I would ask.  Word would get around that you are a high volume provider.  After a time, guys would be less apt to come see you because of that.  Most guys prefer lower volume ladies, as opposed to those that see a lot of guys every day.  

I think you would also find out that it would be pretty tough to keep up with that kind of routine, day after day, week after week, month after month. If you just saw 2-3 a day, 5 days a week, that is 2000 to 3000 bucks a week, pretty damn good money in my book, minus expenses of course.  Less wear and tear on you also.

Swim

If you are offering a low rate to attract higher volume, you might find that your strategy will backfire. In this business, clients associate price with quality, and will stay away from girls who offer way-below-market rates. Some will wonder if a drug problem, or a pimp, is the reason for the low price. The clients that are willing to take the risk might be less than desirable.

As for your other queries, I found that business was slow at first, then increased when I was able to build up some regulars. Eventually, I was able to raise my rates, and at that point, business really took off.

I really can't imagine keeping that pace up for very long.

In this economy many established providers are lucky if they have 30 appointments a month, forget about a week.

You are over optimistic with your numbers.

You also need to take into account these factors like your looks, service you provide, location, market for your location, average rate for your location, how you market yourself, standard of living, touring etc.

Don't forget to factor personal downtime like vacations, illness, injuries, family commitments, that time of the month etc.

The learning curve for new providers in this business is pretty steep, many gents are reluctant to part with even $$ without knowing what they will get.

You will also find that expenses related to your work tend to add up pretty fast like health ins, taxes, std testing, supplies, lingerie, hotels, car maintenance, gas, medical needs, clothes, marketing, screening, security etc.

My point is if your solely in this for the money and you have a particular figure in mind, while not impossible, you will find the going tough.

How about simply focus on the first appointment first and see if you like it. If you do then try another, then another, then take a day of and reassess and start again. A realistic goal for a new provider is probably around 1-2 appointments a day, 4-5 days a week at most until you get comfortable and that is if you can generate that much demand. Competition is tough.

You might be really smart and have already done your research and will hit it off right away, but I didn't get that impression. Good Luck.

Remember not to use your real name or any part of it, get a hobby phone etc. If you used your real name for your handle, get TER to change it.

to larger profits.  Nothing wrong with a higher priced burger that tastes better.  

Try this:  Check the going rate for ladies in your area that are as attractive as you and offer the services you intend to offer (BBBJ or CBJ, anal-yes or no, role play-yes or no, etc.).

KGordon883 reads

I have done this before for a few months. As for bbj, anal,etc, I saw a lot of guys. Not one asked for a bj or anal. They were mostly Jewish, respectful, married, and drama-free,etc. I had four regulars within two weeks of starting. I had three marriage proposals,too. I had a nicer experience with them than arrogant guys in their 20s I used to date without generousity.  After that, I looked down upon self-absorbed younger guys that shave their body hair and take self-pics with their cell phones. Anyway, they all wanted to perform oral sex on me. So, I had a good experience.  I stopped because I felt immoral stupidly.

One guy I saw for several years. He never once brought up bjs. This is true, and I could not make it up if I tried.

KGordon879 reads

One guy asked for anal I remember. he was younger and attractive. I remember I gave him a bj and we went out for a drink. He was so sweet. But really all johns are so sweet-so nice.

Once you jump in full time, you will see guys from many different backgrounds who desire different services. While you will have control over the service you provide, you will not always have control over the type of guy you want to see or who wants to see you.

If you limit your service too much or have too many preferences, you will have a difficult time meeting your goals as you stated. You might start out well but once a few reviews for you go up and guys find out that you don't provide the service they want, your demand might drop. If they notice your performance level is also inconsistent, your demand will drop as well.

Your limited service, high volume model might work for Cityvibe and Backpage but significant risks are involved both to your health and safety.

You won't get away for five thousand appointments over three years without giving bj's and simply expecting clients to be happy with cuddling and taking you out for a drink. I could do that on my own.


Honey, you have got to learn the power of a properly done bj. Don't feel immoral. You are offering men a theraputic service, and fulfilling the basic human need of validation. I agree with you on 20 year olds. I rarely date anyone under the age of 40

The biggest misnomer of this business is that it's all fun and bjs. You have to run it like it's a small business. I take 5-6 appointments a week max. I work 40 plus hours every week and only 8-10 of that is spent with clients. How would you have time to screen all 30 clients? Sometimes it takes hours and days just to get one client screened. My mainstay isn't the single hours appointments, but you have to work hard to market yourself as a provider a client would want to spend more then an hour with you.

Medically speaking, 30 clients a week puts you at great risk for many simple female infections.

Ew especially when the client doesn't mouthwash or keeps trying to stick their tongue in your vagina. I really don't understand why clients do that. Its unpleasant feeling and not safe due to all of the bacteria on a tongue.
Any thoughts on this?

Posted By: Ashley2010
Medically speaking, 30 clients a week puts you at great risk for many simple female infections.

A top provider on these boards has some 650 reviews in five years. That's 2.8 days for every one review. On average about 10 - 15 percent of total clients post a review.

Your goal is very do-able IF you are up to it physically, emotionally, you keep your focus, and you promote incessantly; but innocuously.

Posted By: KGordon
How many clients would I be able to see weekly if I charged $200. Would 30 be doable? Also, would it be consistent fo 2-3 years?Or would it slow after month?week?

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Posted By: KGordon
How many clients would I be able to see weekly if I charged $200. Would 30 be doable? Also, would it be consistent fo 2-3 years?Or would it slow after month?week?

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No, because there are seasonal effects in everything so you can't assume a constant rate. Seasonal as in people might be more interested in general on specific times of day, specific days of the week, specific days or weeks of the month, etc. It is also seasonal as in you could be very popular for a period of time and not be very popular at other times (even if you're highly rated). You'll have peaks and valleys in the distribution. You would have to take on a number above your desired average that is equal to the difference between your target and your actual numbers you had below your average just to attain it.

So with 30 in mind that could mean 5 on one week 10 a second week and 15 a third (look things are going well the number is increasing), but in order to have 30/wk average you'd have to fit in 90 in the fourth to reach your target.

Are you opting for a below market rate in hopes that a lower price will increase demand? While it will probably raise demand a bit (for example 8 if at a higher rate it would be 5) there are multiple factors that affect the price and demand elasticities. There are limits to the elasticity though, you can go too low and that will hurt the volume attained or you could be not low enough and you won't see a pratical difference in the demand. Not to mention all of the logistical challenges (verification, location, hygeine, medical, etc) others have pointed out.

You could guess and check and keep your own records in order to figure out what best price and volume that is attainable and you can live with or it may be possible to get some generic information from others in your area that might help you build a model to approximate the real elasticity in your region to again figure out the optimum combination of price and volume. If you have a background in regression analysis (statistics or econometrics) it would be straight forward, you could even potentially do it with an excel spreedsheet (record the data set, have it make a scatterplot, have it fit a line to the data and have it show you the expression that expression would indicate what combinations of inputs get a specific output) if you can supply it with the needed data. Either way it is going to be a process and one that is time consuming.

You are going to be one sore little lady. Don't be blinded by the $$$$$$$, take your time and be real with yourself.

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