Last Saturday, I met up with my longtime provider. After many years of seeing her, I finally summed up enough courage to ask to bare bone her (no condom). I was really horny for her, and paid an exoberant amount of money to her to do this. She made me promise to pull it out before I came; said she didn't want to get pregnant. It felt so good. However, inasmuch as I would like to do that again, I can't hardly afford to pay her the extra tip. What is the best way to approach her to negotiate this down, and possibly to cum inside her. Keep in mind this is not something she does regularly, if at all.

Why the hell would you actually WANT to do that.

Are you cool with leaving with something you didn't come with? As in a disease!

And do you have the money to pay for a kid for 18 years?

You do know that sperm comes out of a penis during sex, not JUST during orgasm, right????

She said she doesn't wanna get pregnant - meaning she doesn't take BC...

Just keepin' it real, man.

do you really, really, think she won't have bareback sex with another guy for extra $$$ above her regular fee?

If she does it with you, she will probably do it with others. All they have to do is ask, just like you!

Are you out of your mind? Do you have any idea how many people you are putting at risk doing this?

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I'll never see anyone who would ask me for that.  Felt so good?  Guess what it feels when you are dead?

This is just stirring the pot to see what kind of results he/ she can get. If I understand this you are doing (so you say you are) probably 4 of the top 5 absolute no/no's to a provider. And you also felt the appropriate place to post you question is the Newbie board. You claim she's your longtime provider, why post on the Newb Board...Get Real

1) Wants BBFS
2) Wants to expose her to STD's
3) Wants to cum inside of her
4) wants to negotiate her rates while increasing her risk

The only real part of this post is that there is a day of the week named "Saturday"

I know guys seek it and I know some providers offer it, but this scenario just reeks of BS

-- Modified on 5/27/2008 11:42:03 AM

How the HELL do you know that she does not do this regularly?? Do you SERIOUSLY think that she says no to EVERY other guy, and that your money is somehow more special than anyone else's?? Do you seriously think she is turning down THEIR offers of exorbitant tips??? A month doesn't go by when some idiotic fool doesn't offer double (or more) the donation if he can go BB. You ain't that special.

What on EARTH makes you think she isn't selling the same story to every Tom, Dick, and Harry, who are also willing to pay the 'exorbitant' extra fee???

Years ago, when you first started seeing her, you would undoubtedly have been asking the same question about how to negotiate this exorbitant fee down, if only had 'worked up the courage' a litle sooner, because clearly her willingness to allow BB had nothing to do with your long time relationship, and everything to do with the extra $$ involved.

To say that you are a fool is a massive, and I do mean massive understatement. Get thee to a health clinic promptly and get tested!

on a discussion board full of pious pontificators.

  What you work out with your longtime ATF is between you and her; but just the mentioning of BareBackFullService on this or any other board is like saying you’re running for Congress, and you support pedophilia, spouse abuse and racism.

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"Do you have any idea how many people you are putting at risk doing this?"

..Because if you use a condom each and every time with a person the chances of transferring the HIV Virus (which I would guess is the one that most people worry about) is so close to non-existant that it is basically not going to happen.  OTOH the chances of getting her pregnant is much higher.

So explain to me how his "bare boning" (I actually like that phrase better than BBFS BTW), puts you at risk?


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If I were to take your post at face value, here's what I get.

You have built a long time relationship with her and built a certain level on trust. Having that trust, she allowed you access to a different level of service.

So now your plan is to be disrepect the relationship you have built with her, and try to renegotiate. I would never off that service. But if I did, and the gentleman tried to renegotiate, he would lose alot more with me than the extended menu.

Something about the phrasing of the OP, makes me think this is just someone's idea of a joke posting.

What I am saying (which you are not smart enough to understand I guess), is that if you do wear a condom each and every time, you are pretty much safe from most STD's anyways.

So again I ask, if you wear a condom each and every time, how does his doing what he did endanger you?

But like AmorousAudacity said below, any mention of BBFS has to be met with attacks towards anybody who posts anything that does not completely disagree with the first poster.

Look, BBFS is certainly wrong, but it has been going on for a very long time, and will continue.  Hiding under an alias, and/or saying that it is bad is the "cool" thing to do.

Oh yeah, I am sure you will think of another cool alias to post under.


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It always amaze me how ppl on this board consistently go off-topic. The basis of my question is how I would reset the tip if after being with my ATF for so long we have a mutually agreed amount.

SinsOfTheFlesh, you sound like a very angry individual. I wouldn't want to meet you in a dark alley, let alone in a hotel room. Get thee to a nut farm!

You have a very good point. Only those that are doing risking things need worry. It's like getting tested every month...why, are you(generic) doing something risky to have to "catch" the result before you can spread it?

Personally, I won't swap body fluids and am very careful...Yeah I know  boo hoo not a GFE...well I am in as much as the attitude and connection but not in the menu department. I have someone in my life that is too important for me to risk. And the guys I see, see me because of how I am.

And I do not see high risk guys....so where's my point....somewhere in here....OH found it. This poster is quite right and to think that bareboning is that rare is quite naive. I don't get mad or grossed out...I just don't see those that could be in the "loop" and if one slips past, I am very careful and really don't have to worry.

Happy Tuesday all.

First off, DW is a name I chose for myself as a joke to another friend of mine on this site.  While technically, it is an alias, so is luv_women.  I mean, we don't know your REAL name.  Furthermore, DW is the ONLY name I post under, and I announced myself upon taking on this alias (again, it was all part of the joke).  So spare me your "hiding behind an alias" crap; it doesn't apply here!  Secondly, yes I'm std free and I do always wear a condom, for FS.  However, I have received BBBJ's from two of my ATF's.  To me it was worth the risk.  However, it would not be worth the risk if I knew that these ladies accepted exorbinant tips for BBFS.  A pro that does accept that is much more likely to catch herpes than one who doesn't.  If she has the herp it can be transferred via DATY or on a BBBJ.  Though not as likely as transferral via unprotected intercourse, it can happen.  Now follow along here: If I want to receive a BBBJ or perform DATY, then careless behavior by the provider and her stupid "bareboner" does put me at additional risk!

I wish I could educate you some more, but this will do for today.

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It seems you simply do not understand the transmission of herpes.  Herpes is transmitted by skin to skin contact.  If one of your ATF's (How can one have multiple All Time Favorites??  but I digress),  has covered FS with a man who has herpes in his genital region, his rubbing against your ATF can transmit that virus to your ATF.  Since there is nothing covering anything but the shaft, it can be transmitted.   In fact since the folds of the skin "down there" on a man can easily hide the warts from herpes, whereas warts on the shaft are much more easily viewable.   Furthermore there is alot more lubrication inside then there is on the outside, so more rubbing and friction occurs there.

DATY on her will result in transmission to your mouth region.

...But lets see if you understand this.  If she gets herpes in her genital region, your getting a BBBJ can not transmit herpes to you, since herpes is a localized infection, not transmitted through the body.  It is localized to where the receiver got it.   Therefore her giving every Tom, and Hairy Dick a BBBJ results in exactly the same chance of her getting herpes in her mouth region no matter what does on "downstairs"!  She will contract herpes in her mouth region if she comes in contact with it, and it is transmitted.

Likewise if she receives DATY from many men, and one of them has herpes on his lip, it can be transmitted to the outside of her genital region also, and then you having covered FS with her can transfer it to you.

...But I do like the alias, BTW.


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that she took the chance to get preggers with you.  Perhaps she intends to blackmail you??  A kid with half your DNA is pretty much undeniable evidence.  You wouldn't happen to be extremely wealthy?...  No, idiots don't usually get rich.  

Why then are you blasting this other guy. He saw his risk level and went for it. You took your risk level and because you think his is worse, he gets blasted. Kind the pot calling the kettle black here.

Personally any swapping of fluids to me is risky and I won't but judging him is a little futile as you accept certain risks for your reward. I guess his "risk vs reward" puts a spanner in your activity so I guess I can see why your up in arms.

No? Good! Are you fuckin' nuts? You've obviously been around for, as you said, "Many years". Since you went bareback this time, I would venture a guess that it's not the first, or at least the first attempt. I don't care what anyone says, any bareback penetration puts many people at risk. Both you and your lady friend should get tested instantly, and give some serious thought to your activities. If you don't give a shit about your own health, try to think about the health of others.

Because these are the risks and the consequences.  We are exactly right on track.  Get your own girlfriend.

I'm sorry for going off topic.

The anaswer to your question is that you don't negotiate a lower rate. There is always an extra service charge to be granted the opportunity to contract HIV. It is in the Escort 101 handbook. Customers must always pay extra if they want the opportunity to catch an incurable, fatal disease.

PS. You are still a total idiot if you actually think it is the fact that you have been seeing her along time that convinced her to go BB. If she's willing to do that for extra $$, then any other Tom, Dick, or Harry is getting the same service for the extra $$ too.

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I just wish they were more intelligent adults.  

In defense of Sins, I'd take anger over idiocy any day.  You're a *^%$*#@ and I hope to never meet you or your unnamed provider or any other of her clients.  In fact, I wish you'd name her so that I can use her client list as an additional screening tool and stay out of her general geographic region.



-- Modified on 5/27/2008 1:48:08 PM

Just go back to wearing a condom...You've got a big set on you jt, I just hope they don't shrivel up and fall off...

Long time ATF, finally BBs her and the first thing he does is come here to announce it to the world...wanting to know how to get it cheaper. WTF next, she gets pregnant and he wants to know where to get discount abortions? LMAO!

BTW: You been with this ATF how long...and no reviews.

I just wish they were more intelligent adults.  


 The more people you meet the more below average intelligence you will find..After all is said and done, almost half are below average..

-- Modified on 5/28/2008 5:19:02 PM

you should let us know who you are so we can avoid you like the plague.  you are taking foolish chances thats what your so is for, but if you have an so, what risk have you just put her in? Or don't you care.

I am not the OP, nor an I someone who "takes chances" like the OP talks about.

I was merely pointing out that while all STD's are bad, using a condom is a great way to prevent the transmission of many of them.



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...Dude, seriously, you're not telling me anything I don't already know about stds and their transmission.  I mentioned the herp in my previous post for two reasons: 1) you had mentioned HIV as hobbiests' top concern (which you should not assume) and 2) to play along with my name, DickWart.  My point is really directed at all stds in general.

And it appears the only point you're not grasping from me is quite simple.  It is:  any hobbiest and provider that engage in "bareboning" are putting the ones that follow (i.e. fellow hobbiests) at a greater risk.  Period.  The fact that I wear a condom is not really a factor.  Because, that is a constant.  If I'm playing with a provider who "barebones" when someone pays her extra, I'm at greater risk than if I'm playing with one who doesn't.  The condom could break under either scenario.  

Discuss everything else til the cows come home.  My point is simple and it is fact.  It shouldn't have taken this many posts for you to get it.  Nor should you have questioned the other fellow to begin with.

And those who want to blast me for blasting a "bareboner" should go fuck themselves.  Literally!  Stay out of my hobby!



-- Modified on 5/28/2008 10:18:05 AM

Hey JT,
Sorry, that request is not smart.  To answer your question, probably get a girl drunk and ... or maybe ask your wife/ girlfriend to do THAT!!

... twice now you've attached your "you-should-let-us-know-who-you-are" speech to the wrong poster.  The guy you should direct this to is the the thread's originator!  BTW, he didn't use an alias.  So, he is identified in that regard.  The little envelope that's beside his name is how you can tell.  You can click on it and send him a PM if you have VIP membership.  (Somehow, I doubt that he'll tell you his real name.  However, he appears pretty stupid, so who knows?)

actually i was just reading thru and replying in a rush i guess so sorry if you couldnt figure out i was talking about the original topic.

also...it is transmitted before there are any signs of the virus being visable. It goes through stages and when it is active, it can infect others no matter if you have a blister or not. Herpes simplex1 is most common and typically on the mouth region but can be tranfered to genital or even the eyes. Its the fever blister one a great deal of society has.
herpes simplex 2 is the nasty one and concidered genital herpes but can be transmitted to the mouth or also the eyes. very painful and larger sores and blisters. both can be tranfered before there is any sign of an outbreak. many people have simplex1 and 2 as well and have never had an outbreak. 70% of the people who have herpes simplex 1 are not ever aware its more than just a cold sore. few outbreaks and simplex 1 is not terribly painful. simplex 2 though is def not just a cold sore and if you have outbreaks you know it.

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JT,
Lets just assume that you're really lucky AND both you & the woman in question are disease free.  Are you FRIGGIN NUTS?  
She has told you she's not using any other birth control.  And you want to go BB intercourse.  Withdrawal has a notorious failure rate.  Precum often has sperm (it only takes one).  Sometimes the timing is off just a second.  
And you secretly have a preggo wish since you want to cumm in her!  
You are nuts.  You could end up with her medical bills (best case) or child support for the next 18 years.  Don't say you weren't warned.  
Use a condom.  Use a condom.  Use a condom.  Back in the 70's, I had a civie girl friend.  Before I banged her, I asked several times if she was on birth control.  She insisted she had it all under control...  well, guess what?  I paid.  In more ways than one.  
skb

-- Modified on 5/31/2008 9:16:19 AM

i'm new at this (2 providers)but the provider i currently see (5times) and who is well reviewed on TER and the reviews indicate the use of a condom - i've bare boned her every time- we connected when we first met - and when i lay naked with her i just held her and slowly slid in - she just said don't cum inside  - i haven't protested or even mentioned it - i thought maybe this is the way it is
i tell her i love and she says same to me (although i get bummed when i read her reviews with other guys.)
i was faithful for 20 yrs prior so i know i'm clean.