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And the "third" story..which is also incomplete!
ANewHobby2011 1 Reviews 2452 reads
posted
1 / 20

First of all I am realitively new to all of this and I must say I like it.   On Monday I had made arrangements to have a reasonably well reviewed provider come to my home this Sat night. We ended up spending many fun and informational hours together on the phone. I now know her 'real' name and a bunch of other stuff that I would guess others do not know (ex. we are now 'friends' on facebook.)...Wednesday she called to inform me that she was in my part of town...we had dinner together after her 2 daytime appts....after dinner I took her back to her hotel and helped get her stuff to her car...There was alot of passionate kissing, eating of the pussy, a bit of a blow job...No intercourse....she orgasmed...I did not...we were naked for maybe 15 minutes ----her cell phone went off constantly interupting our activities and my coming...she is now asking me..demanding that she be paid her donation...What say thee??----I think maybe something, but not her full requested amount

Welcometothefunhouse 1185 reads
posted
2 / 20

Maybe it's time for another new hobby? You can spend a lot of informational hours watching documentaries too.

inicky46 61 Reviews 627 reads
posted
3 / 20

and don't see her again.  In fact, many would say don't give her a dime.  You're a newbie so screwing up by not clarifying what the arrangement was is forgiveable.  She's supposedly a pro and, if she expects a donation, should have asked for it up front.  That's the way it's done, for obvious reasons.  I've never heard of a provider booking a session and not expecting the envelope before things got started.  You might explain this to her.  The only reason to give her anything now is: 1) you did spend time with her; 2) you did have some sex, though admittedly half-assed (her fault; what decent provider answers calls during a paid session?); 3) you don't want her blacklisting you or spreading your name around with her friends.  In other words, you're being blackmailed but I'd play along just to avoid further trouble.
But this gal is bad news and a must to avoid.

hiddenhills 143 Reviews 1286 reads
posted
4 / 20

1. I would never have a provider come to my home on the first visit, regardless how well reviewed she is. 2. I would never keep a provider on the phone for hours. 3. Never mix social media (Facebook) and the hobby. 4. I rarely, not never, accept unsolicited calls from providers. 5. If I dine with a provider, I also clarify whether it's on or off the clock before dinner. 6. I've never helped a provider "get her stuff together"  7. Before I have a session with a provider, I turn my bb on vibrate and ask the provider to do the same. 8. I've never had sex with a provider without knowing what the session was going to cost me. and I also pay in advance.  I say you've made a lifetime mistakes with this one provider.

Dr Who revived 762 reads
posted
5 / 20

First off...congrats on violating EVERY rule in the book (for newbies).  Not everyone can make that claim, but you are now the poster child for "incompetent hobbyists"!

I suspect you hired a stripper from a low end mall as that sounds like the MO you have suggested in your OP.  If she had a review, I doubt you read it here.  And if it was here, I suspect it was a fake put up by the guys who will possibly be visiting you VERY soon to make good on your donation.

As far as knowing her name...NOT!  You know nothing of this gal, but now she knows EVERYTHING about you.

Your question of compensation on this is the least of your problems :(

And if by chance you don't get rolled on this one...READ the newbie manual (three times in your case) and don't ever get involved in this nonsense...EVER AGAIN!

SummerSanders 836 reads
posted
6 / 20

Listen to those that have posted in reply to your errors.

All of this is wrong on so many levels - yours and hers. But you only need worry about yourself. IMO, she was far from professional and any provider that becomes "Facebook" friends after a first time meeting has more issues than you should care to be involved with. Mixing social media and the hobby is not ever o.k. Unless you have done a full background check on her and could verify her real name and ten of her closest relatives, as well as her last 50 residences,  I doubt you know her "real" name. Sorry to inform you. It may have seemed like "fun" at the time, but, for providers this is a business first. Along the way we may meet some really great people and, at our discretion, chose to become friends, however, to go to all these levels on basically a first meeting and then ask for a donation is a red flag that you should run from.  Spending many "informational hours"on the phone is not what a typical provider does on the first meeting. Not only did she put you at risk in many different ways, you are basically just lucky something worse didn't happen to you and who knows what will come of all of this. Good luck and like mentioned before - read the self help manual over and over and over again.

Have fun & stay safe!

Summer

Pinchi 11 Reviews 856 reads
posted
7 / 20

The reason you have a session is fulfillment, so, if you weren't fulfilled, through NO fault of your own, then you only got half of what you came there for, hence half the going rate. Now, since you only got 15 mins, prorate that amount to suit.  Hence the formula would look something like this-

Full rate hr/Half-assed performance=half-assed rate.  15 min=0.25 of 1 hour, so .... pay 25% of the fully half-assed rate. You have fairly compensated, and now can officially put your experience into a review :) Don't reward bad behavior, the ladies here definitely won't...

Now, don't use this as a tactic to try and get free pan, you'll eventually get called on it, especially if all your info is out there for them to use freely.

McDonald000 90 Reviews 1023 reads
posted
9 / 20

This will not be the first time this will happen. First, you have crossed the boarders with this provider, never reveal any personal info to her. She already knows to much. Don't spend time with a provider OTC, if you are, make sure she's not charging you for it. Never get personal with a provider, period!! take those previous comments, study them. Don't think you can make a friend out of a provider, she just wants your money like every other women!!

harborview 10 Reviews 504 reads
posted
10 / 20

Do you want everyone in your life to know that you spent time with a hooker?   NEVER have a provider to your home on the first meeting...  She knows everything about YOU & is now in your worst nightmare.  
She's contacting you asking for money...  but if you pay, it will not be enough.  She's about to blackmail you.  
If it was a paid encounter, she would have collected while you were together.  On a first meeting it is almost always done before the action starts.  A provider will not let you LEAVE without paying.  Because of the incomplete & interupted time you spent with her, she doesn't deserve compensation, certainly not full compensation...   but you might want to pay her off if it's not too excessive & hope she goes away.  
Alternative?  Go to an atty or the Police.    Blackmail is more serious than any misdemeanor you might be alledged to have commited.  You took her to dinner & back to her room, did not pay...  you can make a good case that you thought it was a real date.  

You will be made to look the fool here...   I don't know if you can avoid your activities being made public.  Sometimes a letter from an Atty will scare them off.

Ivy_League See my TER Reviews 986 reads
posted
11 / 20
Dr Who revived 577 reads
posted
12 / 20

And if you are suggesting any john to use your formula, that would be VERY questionable advice.  The gals POST their rates (but the OP NEVER discusses if she has an ad or rates), and for you to unilaterally decide what you will pay is a great way to end up on DNS lists (at a minimum).

I question the state of mind of this OP.  Hopefully he is just suffering from a VERY long drunken stupor and made up a bunch of the nonsense he posted.

But I would NOT be recommending to hobbyists to create their OWN method of determining prices to pay a gal.  That is not a way to be playing in this hobby.  But is certainly a way to create DRAMA.

inicky46 61 Reviews 833 reads
posted
13 / 20

I don't know, and I realize we're all just faceless people posting here, but I've heard there's another side of this story.  Mainly, that you gave the provider an envelope.  Clearly, the implication is there was money in it.  When it was opened...only a card.  If this is true, what you did is tantamount to fraud.  Compared to this little item, the rest of the story doesn't matter.
Now, there's no way of proving anything one way or the other.  I can't claim what I heard is true, only that I heard it.  No doubt you will deny it.  I am not a judge or a jury.  One thing about the story that doesn't ring true is that it's hard to believe you'd stiff someone who'd been to your house (if you really did this, that was beyond dumb), so maybe you're lying about it.  If not, why would you give her an envelope with no money?  In other words, there's lots here that doesn't make sense on its face. But, if you did it, here's a little advice:  don't do it again.  You won't always run into a provider who will take it "lying down."  Many of them have large and unpleasant friends.

Dr Who revived 799 reads
posted
14 / 20

and the provider PM'd me as well offering up her version of the story.  But she apparently has decided to not reply to the thread here (which I agree with BTW as this isn't the forum for this outing).

However, given a second version of the festivities, I suggested to the lady to follow channels to notify her lady friends of the potential hazards the OP presents to the community.  And I think most of us just reading his OP concur that the OP is "dangerous"..and moreso to the ladies out there that are unaware of who he is.  Hopefully the provider has (truly) his personal info and let's the provider world know about this guy.

And if I'm the OP...I would be in a "severe damage control" mode...right now.

ANewHobby2011 1 Reviews 1389 reads
posted
15 / 20

Ahh...I gather that because I informed the lady of this TER post earlier this morning that she is being proactive in getting her story out there...1--there was an envelope, 2--she was told that the was no donation in it, 3--we were 'just' going to have dinner, nothing else..that was the plan that we both agreed to. As to further clarify points made in your msg...she has/had never been to my home, and quite obviously now, never will ..she has threatened to come to my office...she has been sent a copy of an e-mail I sent to a mutual friend asking if the friend would be kind enough to deliver the donation to her when other items (non cash) were returned to me by the mutual friend...and just a tiny tidbit of additional info..in the very brief 3-4 days that we knew each other there were literally 4-5 dozen text msgs, hundreds of minutes on the phone...we were very quickly becoming very good friends...I have learned my lesson, business is business, you don't shit where you eat...I appreciate that my initiation into this community has not gone well...and I appreciate this forum for all the feedback..good, bad and indifferent...not sure if I'll stick around, I surely will do things differently and adjust my sights accordingly

Posted By: inicky46
I don't know, and I realize we're all just faceless people posting here, but I've heard there's another side of this story.  Mainly, that you gave the provider an envelope.  Clearly, the implication is there was money in it.  When it was opened...only a card.  If this is true, what you did is tantamount to fraud.  Compared to this little item, the rest of the story doesn't matter.
Now, there's no way of proving anything one way or the other.  I can't claim what I heard is true, only that I heard it.  No doubt you will deny it.  I am not a judge or a jury.  One thing about the story that doesn't ring true is that it's hard to believe you'd stiff someone who'd been to your house (if you really did this, that was beyond dumb), so maybe you're lying about it.  If not, why would you give her an envelope with no money?  In other words, there's lots here that doesn't make sense on its face. But, if you did it, here's a little advice:  don't do it again.  You won't always run into a provider who will take it "lying down."  Many of them have large and unpleasant friends.

ANewHobby2011 1 Reviews 844 reads
posted
16 / 20

Just a couple of quick notes FYI..not that you care..but..
--yes there was an envelope and she was told there was NO donation in it, we were to have dinner
nothing else
--in the 2-3 days we knew each other...there were 5-6 dozen text msg...hours on the phone..not only are we friend on facebook, but i have seen pictures of her family and know that she is off to another state next week to take her daughter to university and yes I know which university
--the reason the lady knows of this post..thread..whatever is because I e-mailed it to her, being a newbie I want to do the right thing
--she also received an e-mail I sent to a mutual friend and provider asking if the friend would take an envelope back to the lady in question
--I appreciate all the feedback I have gotten from you and the others...I still have to read the newbie guide..I'll get to that right away

sexyangelique69 See my TER Reviews 625 reads
posted
17 / 20

You should always expect to compensate for "private time" with a provider at her normal rate unless there is a clear, mutually expressed agreement otherwise (and even if it wasn't clear, pay!).

If you are friends with your mechanic and take him out to dinner, and then your car breaks down and he fixes it for you at the restaurant away from his shop, you would still expect to pay for his services even if you are "friends" and he didn't charge you his hourly "shop rate" for dinner.

Building a friendship can help the session to feel more real and enjoyable to both parties. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. How could you travel for a week or weekend or have an overnight and not talk for hours and really get to know each other? Making a connection helps you establish a regular and it isn't "unprofessional" when your profession is being a companion!

But a "friendship" does not automatically mean private time is free.

You agreed that dinner was no charge, but that doesn't mean any private time was.

So much drama that should be resolved privately, not splashed all over for everyone to give a he said/she said.

Pay her and next time you have an issue with an individual provider, PM several someones whose opinions you trust and ask them how they think the issue should be handled.

hiddenhills 143 Reviews 582 reads
posted
18 / 20

Yes many of us have become close to a provider, even myself. However, there is always an envelop with MONEY in it. WTF were you thinking.

harborview 10 Reviews 1750 reads
posted
19 / 20

Sometimes over years of friendly meetings we *may* becomes *friends* with our favorite providers...   but it is remarkably rare that one successfully crosses the boundary of real personal friends.  

With the additional information which has come to light in this thread & by your own statements, I do not feel you have been so wronged!  Who gives a Provider an envolupe with no donation?   Only a scammer, trying to get free service from a Provider... who expects to be paid for their services.   You have thrown some doubt here with your intention...  with numerous phone calls, text messages, FB friending (which is totally inappropriate)...  these are characteristics of a stalker.  It also appears that your dinner was expected to only be dinner, not to include play time, as she's in the middle of packing her car & checking out.  Your no money envolupe misled her.    Perhaps it is your Newness but you have really gotten off on the wrong foot here.  

Now, it takes two...  so she was also wrong in allowing you to LEAP over sensible boundaries & agreeing to see you at all.   If I did that, I'd expect to have my phone & email blocked & be on her DNS list.  

I don't think that this was a planned session as much as a date gone awry...   I do NOT think that a review is justified.  This is so off the chart...  not at all typical of what someone would expect or recieve during a planned appointment.  

You apparently have an intermediary...  I suggest you each settle up with the other & move on.

Dr Who revived 709 reads
posted
20 / 20

Agree with you on this one HV..the OP's stories are "misleading" at a minimum.  While the providers version (via PM) seems a tad more concise, and somewhat corroborated by the OP's new statements.

In either event, they BOTH have left out pertinent information (and justifiably so) to really ascertain just what really went down.

And as you recommended (as did I) that whatever damage control the OP will attempt, if the providers story is "correct", he will just continue being perceived as a stalker.

NewHobby....bad way to start this game.  Hopefully you will read and learn how to play this game.  If not, I suspect that at some point we may be reading about you, and not in a good way (such as the way this thread has read)!

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