really necessary?
Yes or No.Ads simply don't give me a good feel for the person. I might see them if I can learn about them in another way, such as being introduced, or having some intercourse with them on the boards, etc.
providers, the important areas are photos, calendar, donations, and about me--in that order.
If a lady isn't attractive to me, I look no further. If she is not available when I want to see her, I look no further. She must be within my budget and finally, about the chemistry that might be there is we have some common interests.
...when I am researching. Most here (guys anyway, though some ladies have concured) want to see a web site & recommend to newbie providers to get one if they don't have one. But, is it necessary? I say no. I know of one provider in my area (I have seen her) that does not have one. She does ads on TER, posts in photo threads, and has an ad on one of the escort ad sites. She does quite well, is well reviewed, and is in the top fourth of the Top 100.
I have to think having one is an advantage but not necessary.
I know of many ladies who do quite well with no website.
debating whether I want to do that again. I had one. Got rid of it. Designed and did the upkeep daily. Just not sure it was 'worth' it afterall. Ya know? Hard to say, was just more fun for me designing a new one every month for me, no one else honestly. I'll probably still just sit on the idea for now.
I appreciate the feedback...see I do 'ask' when I need to lol.
I would say yes, definitely. You can control what potential clients see, and let us know exactly what you are providing for us. It's also safer than an ad on a site like backpage, IMHO.
Swim
and I only posted an ad on Eros cause I had to to link on here. Will stick with advertising on P411 and TER for now only. Not sure Im ready to dive in and go the 'website' route again, but you never know with me LOL.
...don't have to have Eros or any other.
So I've been debating for a while now as far as rates. I know what it looks and feels like on my end...how does it look when you guys actually 'look' and feel out rates being the gentleman in all of this.
You know how easily numbers can looked skewed over time and when you look at them often. Like what does 300/750/1000 or 5000 look and feel to the 'average' hobbyist? Now of course I can only get answers from gentlemen in NYC which is my territory for the most part. Someone answering from Alabama wouldn't really be able to chime in and for that reason perhaps I should post this on the NYC board.
But in the meantime, I'm just curious how #'s look to you all. Do you hobby within a budget or just go after what you want. Period.
If the tables were turned and I was paying for companionship from a man, Idk what my #'s would be essentially.
save for a month (meaning not see any provider one month) so I have enough to see one (& only one) the next month then she is outside of my budget & I won't see her. I usually see a provider twice a month.
The numbers you used as example are unclear to me. What are the time allotments for the donations you have listed here?
I expect to see a 2 hr rate that is slightly less than 2x the one hour rate. If it isn't it may not matter as long as it's not more than 2x the hourly rate. I don't do more than 2 hours because of my budget.
I am in the south so my specific donation expectations may not match NY but this should help
like if you saw 300 for 1 hr vs 500 for a nour or 1000 for 2 hrs. Like how do you all justify this in your brains essentially or is it really based on a 'budget' schematic for the average guy who doesn't have money rolling out of his pockets to pay for this hobby.
300 hr is reasonable. 500 hr is out of my range. Please note it's not about "is she worth it" it's just my budget.
Yes, for the average guy that doesn't have the money rolling out of his pockets it's his budget. I have the desire to see the ladies I frequent for longer periods of time but the budget dictates. I'd also like to see a provider more than twice monthly but the budget dictates.
For you to see how we look at it you'll have to consider the various levels of discretionary funds guys are on.
I would spend 500 hr without even blinking if it was within my means to do so and the lady was someone I wanted to see based on her reviews, reputation, and appearance.
Those that can pretty much afford to see whoever they want whenever they want could give you a better idea of choice criteria not involving money.
Budget is not my only choice criteria but if the lady is outside of my budget then I don't go any further in researching her. I don't bother to check her rates if she hasn't gotten my interest in some way other than money.
I am fortunate that in my area there are more excellent providers than I can ever get around to seeing that are also within my donation range.
Thank you and terrific. Great response.
The last few weeks the numbers are just one big mess to me.
I started out here in Los Angeles almost 10 years ago. I started out meeting various porn starlets, who had higher rates the non porn star providers whose rates were in the 300-400hr range at the time. I later moved on from porn starlets and to the non porn star providers who were in the 300-400hr range but I would get offered a better rate for multihour from my ATFs.
My ATFs retired. I have had to start exploring again and it is a lot different now. Rates are higher now but since I have been traveling more, I can totally understand the increase because rent and hotels have gone up. I would usually just go after what I wanted but I have done that recently and did not have the best of experience I would have liked for that amount. Kinda like getting a bottled water for the price of champagne.
So now, I feel like I am putting myself on a budget but at the same time its taking me out of the market. I recently contacted one lady and her assistant sent me this menu of rates and different type of hour dates. It was so many different rates scales that gave me a headache and I never get a headache with stuff like that. Even with all these "guarantees" her assistant assured me, it was no reassurance to me that I would be satisfied or enjoy myself. It felt too much like a business contract and a fantasy engagement.
You can go after what you want, play inside your budget, but you still need luck to find that right one
to me too....hahahahhahahaha. God I hate figuring out rates, confuses the hell outta me. But yes, you hit some serious key points. For me personally, my battle is the fact that I don't live in NYC even tho that's my territory. I won't 'provide' anywhere near where I live, most know this. So for me, even tho most flinch at my 2 hour rate at 1000, it is truly at least a 6+ hour day for me to accommodate any gentleman in NY. Period. Plus the cost of travel etc. But I get reemed at for saying that, but it's the truth. And why I can't and won't offer a one hour session, it's just not mathematically worth it. Then add the cost of a hotel to offer incall for that in the city, and yes...oh god the #'s are getting fuzzy again hahahahahahhahahahahaha. I need some shuteye captain.
IMHO. I have no problem with your 2 hr minimum, but would probably only book that since your rates for 3 and 4 hrs don't offer any incentive. I would be more inclined to book 3 and 4 hours if there was some kind of discount to do so. Idk, maybe 1,200 for 3hrs and 1,500 for 4 hrs. Just my .02.
Thanks Senator. I hear ya and thanks for sharing. I worked out a new system I will be putting up on my new site that is actually what you just stated for the most part with some new 'special' packages for a certain kind of gentleman looking for something quite inparticular.
If I lived in NYC, I would charge the same as you, but I think I would do 2 hours for 1000, and 3 hours for only 1200. If your volume is where you want it, you're fine. If not, time to do some playing around with rates.
You're not discounting that 3rd hour at all, so that might help more guys book the 3 hour option if it were only 200 more vs. 500 more. Think of it like this...you already got the min. rate which is 1000, already booked the hotel for an entire day, already did the travel time, so you're not losing much if you discount that 3rd hour, because guys might be more inclined to book it. In fact, you are gaining an extra 200 vs. nothing at all if they don't book the 3 hour option.
Of course, you don't specify whether that 3 hours is straight sex or a dinner date, so if it's the first, I would keep it the same lol. I don't have a 3 hour playtime only option for a reason...I am not doing it ha ha.
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New to the "active" side of the hobby, but have been analyzing it for some time (I am actually an analyst IRL). The business aspect of it is particularly interesting to me in an academic sense (while the sex is VERY interesting to me in a completely different sense!).
There are several aspects to setting your rates that you need to consider.
- What does your "market" bear? NYC has a higher price point than say Birmingham AL. Your travel costs, hotel costs, food, drink, etc... will all cost you more and you need to account for that in your rates.
- What is your desired booking rate? For some providers one or two a week is fine, for others 3-5 a day. Your rates will to a great degree determine your booking rate. At $1000/2hr you are probably closer to the 1-2/week range. If this works for you and maintains the cash flow you seek then there is no reason to change. If as you say in another post that you "feel a change coming" (I presume that you may be seeing your booking rates decline slightly), then you may need to lower your rates slightly. Decrease your rate $100 for a little while and you can assess the impact on your business pretty quickly.
- What is your most favorite booking time? It seems you prefer longer dates, so you should incentivise the times you like best. For example, you won't do a meeting for less than 2 hours and you charge $1000, but you would rather meet for 3-4 hours. Straight math suggests that 3 hours would be $1500, and 4 at $2000. But you already have the room paid for, and you have already traveled there, so those costs are "sunk" (after they are paid they no longer impact your profit). SO...3 hours at $1300 would get most guys to say "hmm...better deal than 2 hours", and 4 hours at say $1500 and the guy brain says "holy crap, I get 2 more hours for the price one 1!". So you get what you want (longer booking times), and they guy gets what he thinks is a great deal.
- As mentioned elsewhere here, you also should also consider what a longer date "looks" like for you and set expectations with the gentlemen. Some may expect 4 hours of non-stop action which is probably more arduous for you, others will may expect to take you for dinner, drinks, dancing and then retire to the room a couple hours later. You can set different rates for each possibility and state clearly on your website (hint hint) what each time frame entails, or simply state something like "4 hours includes you taking me to dinner".
That was so insightful and helpful..thank you
cast in stone. I usually spend a minimum of 3 but have spent as much as 4.5 for an hour. The upper range has to be a repeat when I know the sparks will fly.
I have minimal flexibility to play because of where I live. Specifically, there are very few providers who travel near where I live so for the most part, I have to drive 2 or more hours to play. When you consider driving to and from and play time, it is difficult to be away for 5 or more hours at a time.
which is reflected in my rates. Like I have stated before, most clients are at least 1.5 hrs away...add that plus the extra time and expenses involved and yes, my rates are more than fair in my opinion.
I'd expect more in terms of openness to activities not apparent in your reviews.
It seems you provide a lovely but quite vanilla gfe...
That may certainly push you out of consideration because many fine ladies offer the same+ at a far more competitive price point.
I don't see anyone under 700, usually 1000 but what may seem 'quite vanilla' to you in the reading of a few reviews is really irrelevant on what happens behind closed doors with any gentleman. If you honestly believe that 'all' is stated and spelled out for every single gentleman to read, you are only fooling yourself. Most of the men I have seen, don't write reviews as we discuss it is not our thing. So, I wouldn't put too much stock into the review system alone. Sometimes, you just have to go with what you like and simply 'go for it'. 
i personally feel you do not need one because of that tight and amazing body you have..your EROS ad is very good..shows just the right amount of skin and curves..very tempting..your P411 ad leaves much to be desired..you need more provocative pics than the ones you have on there now..the ad should titillate and entice..just remember my dear Miss Steele..you did ask!!....
Yes or No.
change your pix for 30 days without it costing you something. They will be updated in 2 days LOL. So there Mac. Of course, I know, I did ask, so give it to me dammit. Now get your ass on the rate question and drum up something good for me. I'm rethinking my rates just a tad to play with a lil bit. Contemplating as I have a lil change coming up. I've been spoiled in getting the rates I have wanted but I have felt a shift changing for some reason on the other end, not sure why. What is going on gentlemen?
sorry i am late..your rates do look good..i would still offer a hourly rate of 600 that ties in with your 2 hour/1000 rate..i bet a lot of guys would love to see you at that rate and get to taste you for that hour yet still be affordable..i personally rarely book 2 hours unless she is extremely enticing and mysterious..you and Miss Cole fill that bill..an hourly rate to her would be insulting..other girls thrive on hourly dates and avoid multi-hour appointments..some will not do overnights under any circumstances..in the end..it is completely up to you and what you are comfortable with..
Best I can do is 90 min at 750 right now as I reconfigure everything. New photos and rates went thru on my P411 til my site is up and running. And yes, I'm pretty sure I will be designing a new one, just need to find the time amongst my crazy 'personal life' schedule, not this gig. So keep an eye out for it in the next 2 weeks.
Taste me huh LOL Idk, ask the few who have already
I am in my late fifties and note that you express a preference for clients to be 30-50 years old. So in spite of you being otherwise a great sounding match, I would never contact you, due to the apparent age mismatch. Not sure if this is your intent, but if it is, it works.
Regarding rates, I have paid between $300 and $600 per hour and all sessions except one, have been 2 hours. The exception was 3 hours, as this particular lady skews her rates to encourage the longer date. That session was through-the-roof fabulous and I think the three hours helped since both of us could really relax. What I have learned is that there is not much correlation between the rate paid and enjoyment. I have had just as much fun in the $300 to $400 range as I have had at the higher end of the range. So even though I can afford the higher rates, I now find myself gravitating to ladies in this $300 to $400 range, due to a better value proposition. I never expect to go lower. Not sure if it is relevant, but I am low volume [are hobbiests allowed to use that term 
], since I only date when I travel on business, which keeps my opportunities down.
With all of that said, there are a few posters here that are well above my historical range, who come across as so damn together and hot, that I could convince myself to see them.
Thank you for your post. I appreciate your candidness and honesty very much so. I do understand what you are saying and of course hobbyists can be low volume. But do explain, what does 'few posters that are well above my historical range,' comment? I am curious as to what that means exactly cause that one went right over my exhausted delirious after midnight head hahahahahahaha.
Yes
Yes or No.
"necessary" = no
"helpful" = most likely yes
Original post states:
is a website "really necessary"? Yes or No.
I don't see the word 'helpful' in the original post.
Galaxy
"helpful" = most likely yes