Very often, I can tell more about a potential client and whether I should arrange a meeting from a simple conversation on the phone than I can from the "data" that they send, such as name and work info.  Both guys and gals, what are your thoughts on this?

I guess they are newbie guys with no other refs? Or maybe that's what you demand for screening purposes? And if that's what you need to feel safe, that is totally your call and I'm not going to tell you otherwise, but I hope the guys know what the risk is with that, in general.

I've actually turned down potential clients because they didn't act like gentlemen on the phone. One guy called me and simply asked me "How much you charge for sex?" Needless to say, I didn't see him.

place in a couple hours no problem . the chopper is on the lawn and fueled up .. Michele ? shes  going to chitown , oprah doing an episode on faithful husbands in powerful positions . yeah kinda funny isn't it .. basketball , no I never played . yes I do look tall on tv ..  

useful information from phone callers number as long as it wasn't a throw away or a pay phone.  But even that would be telling.

You can't tell anything from a nice voice on the phone..A charmer can also be a jerk
That is a dangerous way to screen.

but guys want anonymity just as much as you do!

But I disagree with your last line of 'men can recover from being caught, but women rarely do.'  If I got outed, blackmailed, etc, it could have devastating effects on my life that I might never fully recover from.  As such, I am extremely careful and much more guarded about my personal info now.  P411, TER Handle/WLs or provider references is all I am giving out...  If you need more than that, then that is your prerogative and I would move on.

It was an incredibly dick-headed move on their part to start accepting several "OKs" in lieu of providing any personal info. In my opinion, this move has rendered that site virtually useless. Any registered sex offender can now get a couple of "OKs" under his belt by seeing ladies who are aren't as skilled at screening and then *bam* he has access to THOUSANDS of women, who have not the faintest clue who he REALLY is! The system was already flawed enough by not letting any NEGATIVE feedback be visable to other ladies. Not to mention the whole refusing to ban clients who constantly troll for BBFS nonsense...

I was talking with some of my references and was very surprised to find out that they were never contacted.  I would say that at least 90% of the women I have seen have not checked my references.  

It's always ways to not trust your safety to some website.  It's valuable for it's data, but it's not the end all-be all of safety.

Guys troll for it b/c women offer it here. Not my cup of tea but what diff does it make to you?

I too have learned there is a fair amount of back channeling going with p411 where the provider has contacted my recent okays to further verify that I am indeed OK...

I have had to change my name three times because of stalker/ blackmailers

I agree with this as I was turned down by them but some hobbyist who did not go through any type of screening were accepted

I can't tell you how many, "he's ok" references replies that I have received that for me he was not ok!
I wish ladies would say, "just a heads up.. He will use all of your towels, be sure to leave only one out." "Are you doing an outcall? Because he smokes a lot of the green stuff." "Yeah, he's nice.. Once he gets there.. He always runs ten minutes late.. "

I'm ok with the toilet seat.. So long as you flush.

But seriously.. You guys like to know if a lady doesn't shower, right? It's gross. Those are the things that I think reviews should be focused on..  
Were we on time?
Were we clean?
Did we do what we promised?
Were we nice?
All of that jazz....
I kinda like the same back from the guys I see.
Xx

Despite numerous complaints to Gina from providers who declined to "OK" said client because he kept pleading for BBFS during their session. Girls have a RIGHT to know that this has been an on-going problem with said guy. People in this thread keep saying to contact the most recent "OKs" directly. However, if the ladies DECLINED to "OK" him because he was a PROBLEM CLIENT, then how the hell can other ladies know about this issue, unless he was blacklisted on a national site or something?

If a guy asks for BBBJ and you ony do CBJ, you say "no", right? How the fk would BBFS be any different?

What if a seemingly "good" client shows his true colors one day and assaults a provider... and she wants to press charges. Will the site help her in this process? If the answer is "no," then I consider that a MAJOR problem!

Dont YOU do the verifying? Dont YOU decide who you see? Then isn't it at least partially, if not MOSTLY your fault???

Frankly, I also do a lot of my screening through "creative Googling," as well. However, P411 seems to be eclipsing the other methods in many areas, though I rarely use it and frankly don't trust it in several reguards. But seeing as how this is a discussion board and all, I'm "talking it out" and reading other people's thoughts on the matter.

Stinky ass cracks?

There is a security expert named Gavin De Becker. He has been on 20/20, 60 minutes, written books, etc. One of his great point is a theoretical story he tells:

This is info she would have received from his refs, if it was a conern. You might be shocked to hear this, but women do share some of this stuff bc. I swear!

I had to undergo a thorough screening process.  I even had to take a picture of my drivers license (front and back) and email that in...  Maybe they have gotten more lax recently, but the wasn't the case a year or two ago.  Maybe there is away for providers to see how long someone has been on p411 and can get more comfortable that way.

I can only image what the reply said that you replied to.. Only because I have him on ignore. You probably will soon, he's kinda repetative & boring.

LMNSFAO. (Laughing My Non-Stinky Fucking Ass Off.)

"Sure, if they they are friends with the other provider in real life. OR if they talk directly to each other on the phone... "

That was my 1) in my post. Loose lips. The girls and the guys have them. Just the other week I saw a guy who gave me so much real life info about so many girls.. It went in one ear and out the other, but I had to ultimately stop him. That's why I wish girls would just answer, "girl code" when a guy asks what was said.. But I also wish that every city had a beach.... Not going to happen.
Sometimes girls even reply, "sorry, I won't see you. You're on a site for not paying." Like, why even say that? Why say a thing?  
I just don't get it...  

I even have a name for your new company:
 
HookersWithTinFoilOnOurHeads

I agree with what Lustkatrina said.  I personally cannot tell if a gent is safe to see based on a phone call.  

Yes, I do that now too (didn't use to, but P411 has been involved in too many questionable situations recently for me to trust just the OKs). And so far most girls do respond to those requests, which is very helpful. And appreciated!

YOU seek out hookers, they don't seek you out. When that day comes, you can be the one to set the rules as far as screening goes. If you don't like the process, go fk your wife. P411 and DC are not the end all be all of screening, and they give us nothing but who a guy has seen. Um, big whoop. I would never put my life or even my vagina up for grabs based on the word of some other provider I have never met. Some women fk and vouch for anything, as proven by your reviews lol.  

No, I have brought up that subject many times. I think there should be degrees of the OK, like on DC, so you can put something like "YMMV, but I would not see him again, because..." or " He was not LE, but he can't wash his ass properly" lol.  

Ok, but don't wonder why providers are suddenly charging more than they did 5 years ago. Here's a hint, it's not because of rising gas prices and hotel costs like you see rehearsed here. They have just grown tired of smelling your ass for cheap, so looks like we agree. Personally, I don't see how any woman could do this for less than 500 and I don't really care how much they claim to love sex. You don't love it with every old, saggy, fat smelly man that walks in the door, so I must call BS on that noise.  

This is True about P411
I met a regular in Boston and he mention that he had just became a member of P-411
I right away asked him was their screening and he said zero screening I just had to pay the membership

P411 has never changed screening methods.

i think you schouch trust your gut

I still had to go through the same screening as anyone else, and I have nothing but good things to say about both P411 and GIna.

Money and time very well spent IMO.

Alyssa, you should start a verification and review site for guys. Call it, theneuroticreview.com.