: New York Discussion : the saga continues!

AnotherDonJohn 1371 reads

posted 12 years ago

1 / 16

Fake review/ reviewer alert & update on "Ferreni ring" (warning:long read)

For background, there was the saga posted recently of sessions with a phantom provider Adrianna Ferreni, of which the community basically concluded was actually another provider Sonya Olsen. Sonya admitted via a mongerer that she was playing her supposed friend but to this day, an Adrianna has never stepped forward. BCing says there was an attempt to hush this up with a discount offered for future visits. In some cases, a shadowy third party female (perfect American English, no accent) was involved in discussions over the phone.

Discussion Link:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=2&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=Ferrari&SearchType=1&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&MessageID=224943&frmSearch=1#224943

Peripherally, there was a suggestion that suspicious reviews existed for another Russian provider Valeria Kourkova. But the theory was not fleshed out.

Today, I'm putting this point forward. Upon closer inspection, it looks like many of the reviews and reviewers are BS. In VK's two pages of reviews starting in summer 2013, there are two types of suspicious reviews. One group are from reviewers with 2-3 reviews only and they are for Sonya O/Adrianna F and Valeria K (Pmarlowe10023, hilohay, dougiefr, bigdog74). The scores are invariably double 10s. Btw, what's the likelihood that a $800/h indy provider would see a guy with zero or only one review? Possible but improbable ...yet, here it is four times. Another example (skyking) is not much better. I highly suspect these are planted reviews.

There is another set of suspicious reviews where the reviewers have many reviews but there are SO/AF and VK reviews more or less back-to-back (dj83yankfan, nycxxxwish, Markymark907, jamadison). Jamadison is particularly suspicious since he reviewed all three, so he reviewed SO and the fictitious (to our knowledge) AF. This is not to mention a few more reviewers that were borderline suspect. Again, the named reviewers gave double 10's. Given some BC statements, I conclude many of these may be bought reviews (paid with discounts or extras).

I'm not questioning the right to call a provider a once in a lifetime experience by ter score. However, the inescapable conclusion is this is an organized racket of some kind. We still don't know why the fictitious AF character was created either.

Kourkova's review pages:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=Pmarlowe10023
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?ID=233405&page=2#Review

lustkatrina See my TER Reviews 742 reads

posted 12 years ago

2 / 16

Whats Sad about this?

Do you think a guy who spends $800 for an upscale lady has time to write reviews because clearly he has a serious job and well paid

Maybe you should volunteer at a soup kitchen or shelter since you have so much time on your hands playing detective Tsk Tsk

Posted By: AnotherDonJohn

For background, there was the saga posted recently of sessions with a phantom provider Adrianna Ferreni, of which the community basically concluded was actually another provider Sonya Olsen. Sonya admitted via a mongerer that she was playing her supposed friend but to this day, an Adrianna has never stepped forward. BCing says there was an attempt to hush this up with a discount offered for future visits. In some cases, a shadowy third party female (perfect American English, no accent) was involved in discussions over the phone.

Discussion Link:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=2&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=Ferrari&SearchType=1&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&MessageID=224943&frmSearch=1#224943

Peripherally, there was a suggestion that suspicious reviews existed for another Russian provider Valeria Kourkova. But the theory was not fleshed out.

Today, I'm putting this point forward. Upon closer inspection, it looks like many of the reviews and reviewers are BS. In VK's two pages of reviews starting in summer 2013, there are two types of suspicious reviews. One group are from reviewers with 2-3 reviews only and they are for Sonya O/Adrianna F and Valeria K (Pmarlowe10023, hilohay, dougiefr, bigdog74). The scores are invariably double 10s. Btw, what's the likelihood that a $800/h indy provider would see a guy with zero or only one review? Possible but improbable ...yet, here it is four times. Another example (skyking) is not much better. I highly suspect these are planted reviews.

There is another set of suspicious reviews where the reviewers have many reviews but there are SO/AF and VK reviews more or less back-to-back (dj83yankfan, nycxxxwish, Markymark907, jamadison). Jamadison is particularly suspicious since he reviewed all three, so he reviewed SO and the fictitious (to our knowledge) AF. This is not to mention a few more reviewers that were borderline suspect. Again, the named reviewers gave double 10's. Given some BC statements, I conclude many of these may be bought reviews (paid with discounts or extras).

I'm not questioning the right to call a provider a once in a lifetime experience by ter score. However, the inescapable conclusion is this is an organized racket of some kind. We still don't know why the fictitious AF character was created either.

Kourkova's review pages:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=Pmarlowe10023
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?ID=233405&page=2#Review

PhilAsheo 549 reads

posted 12 years ago

3 / 16

I think most guys here are happy to see ...

disclosures like this. Reporting fake providers and phony ads is important!

BTW, I know guys that spend $1,000 an hour and write reviews. Do you really think it takes that much effort? lol.

AnotherDonJohn 697 reads

posted 12 years ago

4 / 16

The fact that LK and Blue answered the way they did only reaffirms what I said

Not answering the issue but trying to 1. Bully the poster, 2. Say something ludicrous without any substance (guys who spend $800/h don't have time to write reviews).

Let's explore point 2 since I "have so much time." First, I can name hundreds, if not thousands of reviews, for girls costing $800/h+. They're called ps reviews, plus the reviews of elite girls. Duh. Second, let's think about how non-ps girls get guys to see them at that rate... They develop a rep with reputable mongers. That doesn't seem the case here. They certainly don't get tied to doubles with lower rate B&S providers like SO. OTOH, if her argument rang true, then she could just bypass reviews, delist herself, and just see rich guys. She wouldn't get two pages riddled with suspect reviews.

Btw, I absolutely would volunteer in a soup kitchen to help the poor. What I would not do: 1. See an OTHFB like LK, who must be in her early 40's (because she's ter age 36-40 awhile) and rants for less than upstanding causes; 2. Spend my time writing an even longer self-serving piece about being the Great American Hobbyist.

Sorry but when you ladies defend an obvious scam, it demeans yourself. I've gotten several PMs from bros confirming inbound attempts by those ladies to explain themselves but none would show up at a safe location first, to confirm their identity and be away from the pimp/handler. They also expressed gratitude. Zero messages defending the girls since the story broke.

Posted By: lustkatrina

Do you think a guy who spends $800 for an upscale lady has time to write reviews because clearly he has a serious job and well paid

Maybe you should volunteer at a soup kitchen or shelter since you have so much time on your hands playing detective Tsk

-- Modified on 2/19/2014 11:34:02 AM

Cosette 786 reads

posted 12 years ago

5 / 16

When posts like this are published...

I do appreciate "investigations" like this for several reasons, but one of the most important ones is that it helps to tear down some stereotypes.

If no one said anything of substance or truth, I would never have thought I had a chance at doing "this". Seeing the Top 100 list and the rates and pictures would have served to deter me from ever having anything to do here. Then you read about complaints of the things that go on like blackmailing and air brushing and you realize it's not all it's made to seem, and there's good and bad in all spectrums. And this seems to be what that is, unfortunately, I would even venture to say borderline human trafficking, in the high end, again debunking the fact that bad things like that only happen in the low end.

VOO-doo 556 reads

posted 12 years ago

6 / 16

You missed his point!

He is railing against those who take WAY too much time out of their lives to put up lengthy, inane, and completely uninformative posts. That behavior is in complete violation of the Great American Hobbyist Character Code - Version 1.0, Title 8.3.1.

Marathon31 518 reads

posted 12 years ago

7 / 16

Thank you ADJ for a helpful summary eom

Posted By: AnotherDonJohn

For background, there was the saga posted recently of sessions with a phantom provider Adrianna Ferreni, of which the community basically concluded was actually another provider Sonya Olsen. Sonya admitted via a mongerer that she was playing her supposed friend but to this day, an Adrianna has never stepped forward. BCing says there was an attempt to hush this up with a discount offered for future visits. In some cases, a shadowy third party female (perfect American English, no accent) was involved in discussions over the phone.

Discussion Link:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=2&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=Ferrari&SearchType=1&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&MessageID=224943&frmSearch=1#224943

Peripherally, there was a suggestion that suspicious reviews existed for another Russian provider Valeria Kourkova. But the theory was not fleshed out.

Today, I'm putting this point forward. Upon closer inspection, it looks like many of the reviews and reviewers are BS. In VK's two pages of reviews starting in summer 2013, there are two types of suspicious reviews. One group are from reviewers with 2-3 reviews only and they are for Sonya O/Adrianna F and Valeria K (Pmarlowe10023, hilohay, dougiefr, bigdog74). The scores are invariably double 10s. Btw, what's the likelihood that a $800/h indy provider would see a guy with zero or only one review? Possible but improbable ...yet, here it is four times. Another example (skyking) is not much better. I highly suspect these are planted reviews.

There is another set of suspicious reviews where the reviewers have many reviews but there are SO/AF and VK reviews more or less back-to-back (dj83yankfan, nycxxxwish, Markymark907, jamadison). Jamadison is particularly suspicious since he reviewed all three, so he reviewed SO and the fictitious (to our knowledge) AF. This is not to mention a few more reviewers that were borderline suspect. Again, the named reviewers gave double 10's. Given some BC statements, I conclude many of these may be bought reviews (paid with discounts or extras).

I'm not questioning the right to call a provider a once in a lifetime experience by ter score. However, the inescapable conclusion is this is an organized racket of some kind. We still don't know why the fictitious AF character was created either.

Kourkova's review pages:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=Pmarlowe10023
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?ID=233405&page=2#Review

Chuck@Norris 703 reads

posted 12 years ago

8 / 16

Pro and Con

Pro: ADJ has too much time to do something useful on this board.

Con: ADJ has too much time to do something meaningless on this board.

Objectively, I think this post belong to the Pro-category.

But it doesn't change the fact that he still is a douche.

AnotherDonJohn 626 reads

posted 12 years ago

9 / 16

Btw, chuck norris is our local troller

He's not even up to the national boards and the likes of Udolt, fIDiot, dungy, lilstinkyboy, and fatwhiner...

Three sentences and he's already botched one subject -Verb agreement, which tells me he's ESL.
I urge you to read the GD discussion on learning to write (by HooktardGold).

Posted By: Chuck@Norris

Pro: ADJ has too much time to do something useful on this board.

Con: ADJ has too much time to do something meaningless on this board.

Objectively, I think this post belong to the Pro-category.

But it doesn't change the fact that he still is a douche.

Chuck@Norris 583 reads

posted 12 years ago

10 / 16

AnotherDumbJerk =Trolldog

Speaking of ESL, Only ESL people care about verb agreement,
but they don't know the subjunctive mood.

So you want another round.

NP, I will make you post as long as it should be.

Unlike yo who enjoys garden leave on this board, or who enjoys his unemployment, I don't have that much time to type wordy crap comment.

I'm waiting for your reply.
Let's rock this post.

Bagnobag 31 Reviews 749 reads

posted 12 years ago

11 / 16

Shill posters

what I've noticed perusing TER is often after a provider gets a mediocre or poor review, if she has friends in the right places (her boss, someone who likes her) then up pops a new REALLY GOOD review to cancel out the bad one or at least be above it in their list of reviews.

I don't know if it's a racket, I just think it's done a lot, by friends and employers who want to give the provider a boost.

It's a crazy world and even crazier online world, craziest TER world

incognitho 707 reads

posted 12 years ago

12 / 16

the saga continues!

So are SO, AF, and VK all working together? I'm enjoying this tea

Fridays117 27 Reviews 591 reads

posted 12 years ago

13 / 16

I for one always appreciate correct and accurate info

Thank you ADJ for your public service. If we don't keep it real ( I know that sounds dumb and noob like) then WTF ? Without accurate and true info, reviews are worthless, a waste of time at best and downright dangerous at worst if planted by LE or unscrupulous providers/or whomever.

adriannaferreni See my TER Reviews 1108 reads

posted 12 years ago

14 / 16

Well, Hello!

A good investigation guys, bravo!
That means you have enough of your time to do this research and look for stories you ll discuss over here
It's me, Adrianna Ferreni (not Ferrari), and I'm back
I've never had fake reviews and all my 10/10s are given by some reputable guys in this hobby. The reviewers who do not have a bunch of the reviews under their profile - doesn't mean they are fake or I just made somebody to write me a fake.
TER knows better if the reviewer is real or not and if the reviewer's account was created in 2014 or a few years ago.
I read this thread carefully only today and
1-I've never worked for an agency, I am totally independent and no other dudes are involve in my business.
2-Sonya Olsen is not my friend, we met though hobby when I just started, and when I had a family emergency (I was not sick and I had to go out of the country) I just asked her if she wants to take some of my "bread and butter", she agreed and I didn't think it will cause me that much.
3-the reviewers like jamadison, nyxxxwish, markymark, and etc were here for a while, and they did hobby at the time I was virgin and was under 21, so no need for you to say the reviews are fake, there are real people under their profiles who actually saw a few reputable girls, have plenty reviews and good reputation.
4-verification: every girl chooses her own way how to verify her potential "boyfriend", and it's non of your business if a provider asked a million questions before the date or not, your business ONLY to decide whether you want to come or not
Cheers

incognitho 495 reads

posted 12 years ago

15 / 16

Nice fake pic(s) on your Eros ad.

One of them is from vk.ru.. Good job.

jbinMC 52 Reviews 573 reads

posted 12 years ago

16 / 16

Re: Well, Hello!

Oh, so you *knew* that you were both lying outright when you deliberately allowed Sonya Olsen to pretend she was you without informing any of the gentlemen trying to contact you?

As just a thought experiment, what if some devious guy with absolutely no hobbying history secretly assumed the profile of another, verified nice-guy hobbyist just to arrange a date with you? (I don't wish this on any woman, btw, but it's the same concept in reverse.)

Why should anyone in their right mind ever trust you again?

If you had any personal integrity, you would at least apologize to those of us who were duped...

P.S. Special shout-out to all the other lovely courtesans of NYC I've met. With just this one exception regarding the OP, I have had only wonderful experiences in the big apple, and look forward to continuing many romantic times there. xoxo to all of you lovely gals...