I set up an appointment this evening with a new TER provider. I explain to her booker that I am very flexible have a window up to 11pm to see her and am told to show up at 10pm. I reply and say if there is any delay to please call me on my cell phone. I go up to the room ring the bell twice at 10 sharp and nothing. I ring the bell again twice and again nothing. I turn around and leave. Fifteen minutes later I get a phone call asking if I can go back saying that the bell is too soft and it was not heard. The hotel floor was dead silent. There was no loud music coming out of the room the only thing coming out of the room was fresh cigarette smoke.

We all know what happened here. Some asshole client overstayed his time and the provider and her booker stacked us hobbyists up like planes at LaGuardia. When are some providers going to learn that you should have 15 to 30 minutes between clients. To top it all off I get an e-mail saying that I need an attitude adjustment. lol

What a total waste of my time,

J

I also was busy tonight...fortunately, none of the issues you dealt with were part of my experience.  Then again, I was seeing a friend I've known for over eight years, and despite the over thirty mile road trip I had to make through the rain on my end, plus a plethora of issues on her end, all's well that ends well.  

Keep your head up!  Sounds like you TOFTT, and it sadly didn't work out.  Always a risk when seeing someone you've never met before.  Did she have a review history that led you to believe there wouldn't be problems?

I appreciate your empathy, but to be honest with you this has nothing to do with the number of reviews. This has happened to me constantly over the years from providers with few reviews to others with 400 plus. I can not tell you the number of times I have had to wait 15-20-30 minutes after our agreed appointment time in a hotel lobby or on some street corner. This can't be just happening to me. I am done with that bullshit and will vote with my legs from now on. I understand that "shit happens", but if you set up a time and are going to be late one should at the very least call to say you are behind schedule.

This goes both ways as hobbyists can be late too and many have a bad habit of staying past the allotted time.

J

How can a girl possibly at her best if she doesn't have time to regroup?

Clients turn up late, girls get hungry & need to go out to get food, girls need to rewash their hair cause it got cum in it...

So many reasons not to book back to back

Her booker gave me the hotel room number about an hour and a half beforehand over e-mail and told me to go up at ten. I replied that I would be there on-time and stressed that she should call me if there was going to be a delay. The provider is new and hopefully she will learn from the situation, but I doubt anything will ever change unless we all take a stand and vote with our feet. That is not going to happen because we are all a bunch of horny perverts.

I guess it is no surprise. We all know that this is the status quo especially for the hotel circuit/circus. The rooms are expensive (especially now during the holiday season) and providers are under constant pressure to take on clients. I know that I am not planting a flag here and it is obvious that we are all getting sloppy seconds (thirds, fourths etc.), but it is getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that these women are not cleaning up between appointments. It is really bad form.

I show up clean as a whistle and shaven. I guess this problem is as old as time. Could you imagine what it must have been like in the past when a shower was a luxury. I am sure that a provider's hygiene was quite grim during the middle ages, but it did not matter because the hobbyist was probably in worse shape. lol

J

guys going to learn that this is the price of making dates with Agencies or Visitors.  After this experience, j7b, will YOU change your behavior?  Or, are you just going to be another sad sack.

I have been thinking about this lately. Why do I bother with these visiting ladies and their marathon fuck-fests. When I really think about it turns my stomach. To think I am probably in contact with 4-5+ other hobbyist's bodily fluids is fucking foul.
I have a wonderful low volume ATF and she uses a great little apartment in Murray Hill. She screws me every which way and cost hundreds less than the visitors. I have forsaken her for excitement and continue to pay the price. That said I had the time of my life with a traveler in a hotel room two weeks ago.
This particular girl mentioned in my first post is currently based in the NYC metro area and I wanted to find an alternate to my ATF. She was recommended by another TER member. I was really looking forward to seeing her and I was hoping to see her many times in the future if things went well. I spend $10-$15k a year on this crap. I know that is not much to many of you hobbyists out there, but it is way more than I should spend. I need to find a couple of local ATFs, but it is harder than you think. You have to go out and invest the time and money as TER will only get you so far. You have put yourself out there to find the right ones. Sometimes things don’t work out.

J

And I don't know what happened other than what you just told me.  I can only say that I'm sorry for your experience.

My own experience is that it's not at all that this booker or that this girl sees clients back to back to back.  I have seen this provider more than once, and she is great, and the booker is more than professional.

The thing that makes me wonder is...why would the booker give you the room number well in advance, if she was going to risk having you bump into another client?  My guess is that she would only do this if your screening checked out well above and beyond anything that would cause her any kind of concern.  Certainly NO booker would ever give the room number and hotel name well in advance of when a girl was ready.

It sucks that you were not able to reach her until you had left and tried twice.  For that I can offer no explanation.  However, knowing what I know about the girl and her booker, it is possible the girl may have been on the phone with a personal matter, or even fell asleep and didn't hear the door.  The girl in question doesn't do this regularly, which is part of her appeal, but perhaps she fell asleep.  I'm fairly certainly it was not like stacking flights at La Guardia, as you suggested.

In any event, I just felt compelled to speak up because in the end, you didn't see her, and yet you are making some conjecture as to what MAY have happened.

If you don't want to book with her in the future, that's totally understandable, and I apologize for the fact that you had a wasted time when you were looking forward to it.  But I do think it's maybe going a bit far to assume these things.

Mistakes were obviously made, and there was clearly some miscommuncation here.  But I think assuming that she must have had another client run over his time is a bit of a stretch.  Yes, that COULD be the case, but as a guy who knows the NYC market well, I can certainly tell you that girls are just not that busy these days, and no reputable girl or booker would risk giving the room number so far in advance if the bookings were not properly spaced out.  It just doesn't make any sense.

I would suggest contacting the booker again.  Again, I know the girl and have used her and the booker before, and it is just not like them to be playing games.

Thanks, and again, I'm sorry it didn't go well at all.

Save others the hassle

I have never had issues with either, and I have seen her multiple times.  I am not discounting Juan's experience at all.  I'm just saying that I know their MO, and it's not to book back to back to back.  Very few girls are very, very busy these days, and so even the concept of having clients back to back is a stretch now.

Look, it seems to me that you are just assuming the worst.  Which is fine.  There are many other establishments and girls out there.  You should see them.  I'm talking with Juan, since I recommended her to him.  And since you are convinced that obviously the woman had an another appointment which ran late...well, who am I to convince you otherwise?  I have seen her multiple times.  I know my experiences.  You probably don't even know the woman in question, and yet you are speaking as if you do know her.

All I can say is...Juan, I'm sorry.  Sorry it didn't work out.  If it helps, I will personally contribute $100 to your next mongering session out of my own pocket since I feel bad.  How many clients would do that?  How many of your so-called "bros" on this board would do that?  I will.

Facts, based on what Juan wrote here and told me in PM:

1.  He did not give her an ALL-DAY window.  He gave her a wide window, but not all day.

2.  Girl was available at 10 pm, and they agreed on that.

3.  Girl in question has another job and another life.  Maybe she fell asleep.  Totally unacceptable, but certainly possible.

4.  Girls don't want to call and cancel, and girls don't PLAN to fall asleep.  Do you plan to oversleep for work, or does it happen?

5.  Juan never saw her, so he has no way to talk about her cleanliness.

Like I said, Juan, I will offer you $100 towards a session because I recommended this girl.  Unlike some of your "bros" (I am just another monger, not a "bro," but one who recommended her to you), I will actually put money your way towards another session.

Actually, tell you what.  I'll give you $200.

Now...who is gonna tell me I'm full of shit?  I never disproved or disputed Juan's accounts.  I merely spoke of my own.  I have no dog in this fight, and I feel bad I gave him a recommendation that didn't work out.

So, Juan...PM me.  You know where to get a hold of me.  $200 to you.

SNGiggles - I happen to agree with you and came to many of the same conclusions.

She is just getting started in NYC and there is a learning curve to this business so I am not going to blow her up as that was never my intention.

Crazy you are digging yourself a serious hole here. I am not even sure why you decided to get involved in the thread. No one has PM'd me to ask her name so relax and even if they did I would not offer up her handle/name. You are not doing her or anyone else a favor. Let it go.

These sort of problems happen all the time. I have waited in hotel lobbies on numerous occasions. In fact it happens way too often. I am sick and tired of being treated like shit, but it was an honest mistake and we will leave it at that.

J

Shenanigans like that, but I can assure you from MY experiences with this girl and her booker that there was some honest miscommunication.  No one really is so busy right now that they are booked solidly one after the hour.  It's not 2006.  

Juan PM'd me, and he is a gracious guy, of course declining to take the offer.  However, I do always feel bad if my recommendations don't work out.  And I know the girl here is just starting off and is new, so I would rather stake the money and give it to Juan to use on someone else that he finds reliable, rather than see her harpooned because of a misunderstanding.

Having said that, Juan is entitled to be really pissed off, because this has happened to me, as well.  I mean, we work so goddamn hard for our money here, and providers aren't super busy, so in a sense, it's imperceptible how this could possibly happen.

I think the girl and the booker will learn from this, and move forward.

And if I can smooth things over with my offer, that's fine with me.  Because the girl has been amazing to me in session, never once asking for more money or a tip of some sort.  She has always been punctual, but not a clockwatcher, but always respectful of my time, and the time of other clients.

I think she will do well, and this will be a blip on the screen.

Thanks for listening.

Any respectable provider knows NOT to book back to back. I like time in between to relax, chill and get ready for the next client. When I am home I am not seeing clients every day, and most of the times I have one in a day. But when I travel, yes I am seeing a few more then normal, and I space things out as best I can.

 When I worked for an agency, it was PV only so no FS but it was stressfull! The owner , she just wanted to make as much money as she could fast, so we were always booked back to back. If I had a 2pM hour , she would have a 3PM booked and my 2PM better be dressed and walking out the door at 2:55PM. Talk about stress and production line!!! It was not full service, but still it was too much. I left and went Indy and obviously added to my menu , and now am a much more relaxed individual.

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