A question to providers and hobbyists alike:

What do yawl think of a provider who works for a house churning 12-13 hours a day 5-6 days a week?

This house provides 1/2 and hourly sessions, so its not a quick house per-se, its a fast house in pushing through clientle in volume.

Why would a hobbyist trust seeing a provider of this volume, knowing they are lined-up since they can never really get the appt time they request and settle on a different time all the time?

Why would a provider physically and psychologically abuse themselves like this, never taking a vacation in one full year.

Does anyone really need the money that badly, and when they get it they cannot spend it since they are always working?  If they retire will they have anything left in their structure to go on with any sembelence of normalcy, relationships, etc?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say something a lot of girls would never admit: Sometimes it's FUN to have a super slutty thrill kill day!  It just suits your mood. Or maybe it doesn't for other girls. I like having the control, I am quite a lazy girl a lot of the time but now and then I get that tingle...and I just wanna be treated like a dirty little girl, break a sweat, run out of breath and toss my cash into the air before sleeping.  There, I said it

Some clients want you to tell them how dirty of a whore you've been and find it terribly erotic to be with the bad girl, they've already got the nice girl at home.  Why she'd give away her money? She may not want to do all the work herself of advertising, screening, scheduling,  photo shoots, keeping an incall, doing the laundry, etc, the list goes on.

Why do think it's so self abusive?  It's fucking, it's not housework....the horror!  

Don't judge too quickly, we all have our wicked ways and methods to our madness!

BB

one more male trying to understand females...falls under the heading of an exercise in futility...better luck next time.  

I pm'd all my answers

Assume that most ladies choose agencies because they do not want to for whatever reasons deal with drumming up their own business. Hence, websites, photoshoots, locations, and screening just to name a few things. They prefer a regular schedule and aren't GFE so prefer the shorter sessions. The reasons that she is working so many hours are infinite. Maybe she wants to only do this a few years. Get in and get out. Or maybe she has huge financial responsibilities, who knows.

Personally, I don't know any providers who are that high volume.

There probably are a few out there... but, it would cause serious fatigue and burn out.

Maybe you have the wrong impression about this provider?

Re Re: We all have very different libidos and limits, her choice!

Brennan makes an interesting point. Some gals just wanna fuck like animals for a complete day, a week, a month a lifetime. Those that do wanna fuck like animals often and every day - they are known as nymphomaniacs. There are nymphos that are totally well adjusted to this in their lives and there are others that are (in fact) self abusing themselves. So many variables as to how much or how often a gal wants to fuck on a daily basis in the hobby. This just scratches the surface.

nycad

Posted By: Brennan_Blake

I am going to go out on a limb here and say something a lot of girls would never admit: Sometimes it's FUN to have a super slutty thrill kill day!  It just suits your mood. Or maybe it doesn't for other girls. I like having the control, I am quite a lazy girl a lot of the time but now and then I get that tingle...and I just wanna be treated like a dirty little girl, break a sweat, run out of breath and toss my cash into the air before sleeping.  There, I said it

Some clients want you to tell them how dirty of a whore you've been and find it terribly erotic to be with the bad girl, they've already got the nice girl at home.  Why she'd give away her money? She may not want to do all the work herself of advertising, screening, scheduling,  photo shoots, keeping an incall, doing the laundry, etc, the list goes on.

Why do think it's so self abusive?  It's fucking, it's not housework....the horror!  

Don't judge too quickly, we all have our wicked ways and methods to our madness!

BB

My annual membership expired 2 days ago.  I do not have PM priveleges currently, but I do thank you for replying.

Thank you your replies to my questions and discusssion, but I need to clarify issues.

The provider I question is not a nymphomaniac.  Its a job, going through the motions, acting getting the client in and out in the time period paid for (10-15 times a day, everyday).

Obviously does not prefer the job because she gets very high (snifles) to get that outer body experience to isolate herself from what is happening, but most clients do not have a clue to the depth of the intoxication, they just think a spacey (dumb) chick.

I received back channel information that this provider has been in the biz for over 15+ years so its not a fly by night, make the quick dollar (because its not an easy dollar), financial issues, debts, etc making that level of untaxed cash, seeing that many clients daily non stop) one has to really wonder if the provider is acting out against men.

Health related issues must really become a problem when one see that many clients for so long in a factory assembly line setting, exposure no matter how safe, and this provider does not play safe if there is an ability to upsell on risky behavior.  Not your standard GFE type of stuff.

Its very reminicent of a provider who is trapped in a trafficking situation that we all read about and have heard about through media reports.

Hobbyists that seek this type of thrill with the very dirty girl needs to evaluate their personal life because its just Russian Roulette over and beyond standard provider playtime that we all enjoy.

I know personally some of the providers who have responded here and I know for a fact that they have more respect for their bodies, minds and well being to work at that level for so long and take those risks.  They look to the future, outside of the business and have a life outside of the business because they limit their work hours to enjoy the fruits of their labors.  Dont get me wrong, Sindee is one of the greatest ladies, physically, mentally and intellectually one would ever want to meet in this life or real life.  OctaviaNY ditto.

Further analysis is respected and appreciated especially from providers because they have the insight into the minds of the female in this situation.

First of all, I would disagree with your assessment that girls who work in brothels suffer more psychological abuse than girls who work on their own.  It's a different kind of job, but it's also got it's perks.  There is an element of security, so much less worry about someone trying to hurt or rob them.  

And who says they don't get to go on vacations?  I see the ads for a few different brothels on a few different sites, and none of the girls are there every day all year.  Some take several days off a week, and some disappear for a few weeks at a time, and then come back onto the schedule.

Sure it's not for everyone, and for some it would be the hateful experience that you think it is, but the same is true of the 1 client a day indy, if it's not her thing.

As far as clients go, brothels have 2 things going for them.

1.  They are cheaper.  Sure, you get what you pay for.  But for some guys the choice is cheap or not at all.  

2.  They are convenient.  If you develop last minute availability, it's rare that you can find any indy who can see you within the next 30 minutes.  If you have a 1 hour window within the next hour, you can spend the entire time trying and failing to find someone, or you can go to a brothel.

As to your question about why a client would go to a high volume girl, I would suggest that if you are looking for a low volume girl, then you should rule out escorts entirely.  Almost very escort that you see has slept with more men then you can count.  There are guys who try to delude themselves into thinking they are the first one of the day, or the girl is low volume, but it's just bullshit.  Most of us do this because we like sex.  I am not ashamed of the number of people I have enjoyed sex with, nor do I care how many people my partner has been with.  It doesn't matter whether she say 10 today, or 10 in the past week, as long as she is comfortable with her body and staying within her own comfort zone.

I am so on point that I might even have undercounted on a busy day, meaning overtime.

I know from what I speak in this particular situation.

Thats why the snifles to get through the day in an "outerbody experience".

Unsafe for providers and hobbyists alike.

Its an exponetial factor with the number of partners refarding health related issues.  Indies make their own rules, work when they want, take days when they want and leave when they want.  Working in a high volume brothel, you areset to a schedule (especially in the case where I speak), cannot or should I say, are not permitted to leave (financial penalties imposed if you miss a day, call in sick, want to leave early, denied lucrative days/hours) are booked and they do not want to let the client know that the person has needed to leave or did not show at all.
Thats slavery in anyones language at the brothel vs Indie.
Brothel Supplied drugs to maintain your alertness and state of mind to party.
Indies, just in the nature of their title make all their own rules and will not see or abuse themselves because that effects their next day down the line.  In the brothel, it does not matter, you are on schedule, you will appear and if the client is not happy, maybe and I repeat maybe we will make a concession if he complains enough.  Most say nothing because they believe the mantra YMMV.
They do not count on repeats at the brothels that much because the variety they offer, Indies count on repeats and references.
Security, its all an illusion.  Several places have had LE come down on them to such an extent that they have relocated numerous times in just one season and the AMP/KMP's are running all over town changing their names every few weeks.  Where is the security and safety?  If you advertise 30 times a day, everyday dont you think you are on the radar.  At the brothel its all about getting you through the door with fake pics, false ages, false assurances regarding safety, health, security, reputation.  The brothel will take anyone with cash, drunk, stoned, body odor (let the girl deal with them they want their %), in town or out of town visitors, white, black, asian, latino, Indian... sores, rashes etc.
I can name you two high volume providers at one location that have worked for 1 full year without a break/vacation full 12 hour days and have seen volumes (2500-3000 p/yr) that you would never imagine and that an Indie would not see in her entire career of 10 years.  That is factual information taht is verifiable just try making an apt with them and see if they are booked, day after day, night after night, opening until closing.
Listlord makes very valuable points and has great insight.  He must be a carpentar, because he has hit the nail right on the head first try out.  I am sure those wise men have have modified their behavior, looked into the hat to see if there really is a rabbit hiding in there or its just an illusion they have been sold on through slick marketing and lies.

In the post-modern brothel where I started my career there was a hungarian girl who said she didnt have any sex for 2 years, cuz her boyfriend moved to the US and made her believe that he will come back to her.
Then she got her ass over here, just to find out that he has no intention comin' back to her, in fact, he was having secret affairs here.
then she found the same ad  I found in the hungarian paper, that's how I broke into the "show-business."
Then she started to F*ck seven days, to make up for her 2 years of sexless, faitful waiting for NOTHING.
she just kept saying: "I cannot get enough..." "I cannot get enough..." "I cannot get enough"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
Eventualy she got satisfaction and she got married with a client.
Now she is a 30 year old  suburban housewife with 3 little kids...and a dog...
You never know...Some these girl who are cannot get enough may have had a sexless life before...
an they keep doing this till they get 100% SATISFACTION.

hey listy

Yes I agree that if someone sees those types of numbers in a week something else is going on. These ladies who are charging 300 and splitting it with the house are forced to work harder because they make less, and obviously need the money. A busy week happens but even if you have that type of flow you cant maintain it without at the very least, being exhausted and not on top of your game. Being not on top of your game could mean some bad decisions in the process.
There is no up side.
I can see if the establishment was reputable and upscale it could be different. It was brought to my attention that there is one operating in NYC that will only deal with high profile people and they charge top shelf rates, and the girls from what I was told, are gorgeous and seemingly happy. The person who told me this is high profile himself and has been hobbling for a good 20 years or so.
I guess like everything else, there are varying degrees of in house ladies and houses.

Ivanka, which brothel did you used to work at?

Escorting is a numbers game.  More appointments means higher probability of arrest, injury or health issues. More clients means less time to screen, less time to rest, less time to prepare yourself both mentally and physically for next date.

Since we are talking about numbers, here are some from personal experience.

I am independent provider who sees on average 2 - 3 clients a week.

If I were working in legal brothel I would have to see 20 - 25 clients a week to make exactly the same money as I am making now.


How do I know? I worked in one of those brothels for 1 day when I just started my escorting career.

I don't know what is current situations in these places, but 3 years ago rates were 120 for half an hour or 180 for one hour.  Split 50/50 with the house.

Girls got to keep the tips.

The house had two separate buildings on same street.  One had "line up" and another had separate apartments.

House claimed that they have 99% repeats, and that they screened.  House also claimed to be run by a woman.

Yeah. Right. We were told to tell customer "i just got my period" if after looking thought the peephole we were too scared or if the client was african american.  Meaning they had NO CLUE who was coming in.  Part of hiring was "audition" with the owner.  Part of working was to "spend time" with same owner.

When hired, girls were told how much to upsell for specific services.  

Kissing was extra 25.  BBBJ was extra 50.  Greek another 50.  Upsell was encouraged.

As far as security goes, yes, girls working line up did have a chance to buzz phone girl in case something went wrong.  Girls working in apartments and marketed as indies had no one.

I can't tell much more simply because took me one day to hightail from there.

About two years ago I heard that the place got busted.

Some can be addicted to the money. I've had  girls tell me they are out of their mouths. And hh or hr appts depending on how much she charges does not mean she pulls a lot of clients a day. About hh and hr appts well I have 2 friends i'll use as examples one who is 180hh 250 hr and another 200hh 300hr (raised rates a little) and they MIGHT have 3 appts tops a day usually 1 to 2 hr appts and they have plenty of free time to do whatever they need or want to do.   Now why some work themselves to death all day every day almost like you describe I don't know anyone like that.

You seem to think that everyone who works in any brothel is a slave.  

There are feminists who say that of all escorts.

It's not more true for you then it is for them.

Certainly the situation you describe does happen.  I tend to think more so in AMPS and RMPS than in other places.  However, there are plenty of brothels where that is just not the case.  Girls working there have the same freedom of vacation and days off as people working at an office.  

Obviously, I have never worked in an brothel, but I know several women who have in the past, and one or 2 who do now.  Even if you don't want to take the current ones at their word, the former ones have no reason to lie about their experience.

And my comment about safety was regarding being mugged, raped, killed.  Of course no amount of security will stop you from getting busted.  But you are less likely to be attacked working in a brothel then you are working independently.  

As for your comment about the girls who worked a year with no vacation, I can tell you about people at my company that did the same.  That doesn't mean that no one who works in an office ever gets to take a vacation.  We can both provide extreme examples on both sides of this, but neither one would represent the big picture.

Personally, I much prefer indy's over brothels.  It's always a better experience.  But brothels are a part of this industry and they are, generally speaking, nowhere near as bad as you make them out to be.

Not that is matters.  Guys will go wherever they want.  They will make their own judgements just fine, no matter what we say.

 I started my career at availablepink.com as Judy. When I worked there we had the good old place with all hungarian girls and the website was created (availablepink.com) only if someone wanted to work with new clients. Then after 5 years of advertising in the hungarian newspaper, the paper claimed they didnt get a money order and pink claimed they sent it.
So as a result of this they stopped advertising in the hungarian paper(HELP WANTED AD FOR GIRLS) and as a result pink turned into international just like any other brothels in the city with a few hungarian girls here and there. Except the phone girls,who r still hungarian and the same individuals.