I took the liberty of a C&P in case you tried to retract or delete your comments.
The thread is also linked.

You aren't fooling anyone.

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Posted by shitturdfantasy Send Mail to shitturdfantasy , 9/27/2011  

I asked her if she would go without a condom, she said no. I asked her if a little more money would help, she said absolutely not and refused to discuss any further.

So I would say your information is incorrect

...by all the talks about BBFS these days... It is not only disturbing but absolutely crazy, irresponsible and inconsiderate. A few of my friends have been asked for this service by hobbyists (more so recently) and it is disturbing me greatly. Has the whole AIDS scare truly subsided?  And what about other diseases? I don't know about others but when I hear a hobbyist asking for BBFS, I automatically assume that he does this a lot with many other providers and this is a HUGE red flag for me.  

I understand that every single person in this hobby takes an "unnecessary risk for a quick thrill."  We each, individually choose the level of risk that is in our comfort zone.  I understand that and respect it.  However, I personally think that BBFS is a totally different level of risk because it is based on false assumptions (assuming the other person doesn't do this a lot, assuming the other person is "clean", etc) and these false assumptions are a lot more risky in the case of BBFS than in the case of BBBJ, for example.

Also, I am disturbed by all the reports I have been reading recently on different verification sites about FORCED BBFS. ANY thoughts on this subject?

Dude! You did NOT just use a NOT joke?!?!?!? Nice one.

What happened?  I seem to have missed it.  Is this the same Hailey who used to work at Aphrodite?  I heard an allegation she was using fake pix, but when I saw them they looked like her.  Is this what you're talking about?

now i understand what you were talking about....i commented on the photos because i love an indy provider that puts up non photo shopped real pics...not because i was shilling for her...after reading the other bullshit on this thread, i am beyond disturbed

I remember that ad.  I don't generally go for girls that put up grainy bathroom shots that look like a BP ad.

I'm still waiting for the review to post, IF it does after all this!

People freak out at the mention of BBFS.  Does that stop BBFS from existing?  No.  It just keeps it secret.  

Not talking about BBFS is the same fucking thing as schools teaching abstinence only.  It increases risk, not safety.

So now, there is a chance that every girl that you fuck or go down on has BBFS on her secret menu for those who ask, but you will never know it because you have eliminated any chance of actually finding out.

You can stick your head in the sand and just assume that no one offers BBFS, but personally, I'd rather see it as a searchable item so that those who want to actively avoid it can do so.

Alleluia!  Well said!

Totally agree. DATY is something I enjoy, but not if the provider does BBFS. I'd rather know and be safe. Ignorance, in this case, is not bliss.

Well put.

Look, the truth is that enough providers out there offer it.  And it happens.  People do it, and they not only do it with providers, they do it with girls they date, girls they pick up at bars, etc.

This is NYC.  If you polled people who were sexually active and HONESTLY asked them how many times they use condoms when fucking a girl they aren't in a monogamous, committed relationship with, you might be surprised.

Does that make providers more safe?  Not at all.  I'm just agreeing with PH above in his post.  Discussion should be open and frank about it.

My experience has been that some providers offer it, and some of the girls advertising as PSE use that term to sometimes encompass BBFS.

I agree with everything you said but PSE definitely DOES NOT equal to BBFS. PSE means porn star experience... which means very wild... greek, rimming, etc... but in no way does it equal to BBFS

I have come across hobbiests assuming this. I one time had a client assume that because I offer PSE that BBFS was on the menu. just to be clear IT IS NOT. however he stated that PSE to him meant "you know doing it like porn stars do, without condoms"
To this I say.....and the last time you were tested was when??????
I mean this seems to me to be a ridiculous assumption but it leads me to wonder how many people think this? Well, I can safely say not too many since its only been asked of me once.
But even stranger to me is why would a hobbiest even want to engage in such craziness?

That's why you need to evaluate each girl on what she offers, regardless of how she labels it.

Sindee...like I said, there are no true definitions of GFE and PSE.  Look at every board and it has been discussed to death with no clear definition.  What's GFE?  Does that mean kissing?  Does that mean CIM?  Does that mean anal?  So what's the difference between PSE and GFE?  Because a PS does it bareback and does it on film and video.  So if a girl does PSE, what does that mean?

I've heard guys say PSE means GFE plus anal, but not all PSs do anal.  So there goes that definition.

The only way to find out is to evaluate each girl on her own and on what she offers, regardless of the stupid label.

And, yes, there are more than a few girls doing BBFS.  I won't say who I've heard it from, who offers it, etc., because that's the business of two people, but suffice it to say that it's been done and is still available if you want it bad enough (not with all girls, but some girls DO offer it).  I was with a provider over a decade ago that I got to know well, and she and I ended up doing it bareback for a while.  This was well over a decade ago.

As far as your own experiences...I cannot argue with you.  But since guys here see multiple providers, I think they are in a better position to say whether girls offer it or not.  And I think enough guys can tell you that it is out there.

I don't judge what people do.  That's between them.

GFE...the rendezvous is the similar to what happens when playing as civvies, with certain boundaries present that allow both sides to enjoy themselves, but not go overboard with unrealistic expectations.  A GFE rendezvous can be soft, and gentle, or maybe a little more energetic....depends on what both parties want.  This is my preferred way to hobby...

As for PSE, I'm not sure what that means.  I've rendezvous'd with three porn stars in my day, and the experience was no different than when I met with my GFE provider friends.  Nothing wild nor crazy was offered nor expected...just that she was a porn star.

Yeah, but still I think everyone has a different definition of GFE.  All my civilian girlfriends were cool with CIM and swallowing, but not all "GFE" providers will do that.  And let's not get into the whole aspect of what a real girlfriend does as opposed to whatever definition of GFE you might be using.  

Like I said already a few times now, there is no firm definition of GFE.  You have one idea but not everyone can say GFE includes BBBJ, CIM, swallow, DFK, DATY, DATO, etc.  

And let's not EVEN get into PSE definitions because most porn stars do it bareback and on film, and with other girls.  But very few porn stars do anal.  So one definition that PSE = GFE plus Greek is insanely inaccurate.