I want to stay Manhattan side near central park. Im coming for my day biz. Although open to other options on areas. Looking for some scoop. Hot spots to live, what parts do gents not like to go to to see a lady?(beside the obvious places) Ex: would it be wise to move to the financial district? Or places you've lived and really liked. Im a single female so I need safe, also safe for clients for both jobs.

I need something larger, super large studio or 1/2 bedroom. I need some space to run my day business a well obviously this. lol I want lots of natural light/windows, high ceilings, views, balcony/or outdoor space, elevator(possible parking). Hoping to cap at $2500, hoping for less but its NY so.. lol Food and a store close by would be superb.

Been doing some net research and will hook up with an agent possibly, I also have a couple emails out to ladies I know that work and live there, just waiting to hear back. Have a friend thats from there we are meeting for dinner this week to talk NY too. I wouldnt come for a few months just trying to get all the info I can. I live in upstate, central.

Also open to good ladies using my place for a couple days instead of hotels.

It's the best place on the Earth!!!
I suggest you to avoid agents and owners who r "flexible". Of course thats not so easy, but with a bit of creativity is entirely doable. These people need you more than you need them.
They need cash or they are out of business. And there is no better sourse of cash then "us"
Of course you and your prospective ret collector shall never talk about this and they willnot ask you in New york City, AS LONG AS YOU PAY THE RENT IN TIME OR EARLIER.
Or look ask providers.(I PM u specific resources)
While agents can get you a glamorous place (if u r r willin' to pay them)
you don't wana find out 2 weeks after you move in that you cannot operate in there.
Just cuz a building doenst have a doorman doesnt mean you can work there.
My sexy girlfriend just moved out from a no-doorman walk up cuz the neighbours relized it.
Walk  ups don't  have a lot of people so they will learn about you SOON.
And just cuz a building HAVE doorman doesnt mean that you CANNOT work there.
In any case look for builings that are big in size and has lots of activity going on.
300+apartmant will do it. That way you will be sooo little nobody will learn about your mysterious existence.
 See specific buildings an contacts))) in your PM

That price range is gonna be a little challenging for what you want:

- Location near Central Park
- Super large studio or 1/2 bedroom

Rents have gone up this last year, and I'm guessing that anything you find there will be a walk-up or non-doorman building (which is good for discretion but bad if you need packages to be signed for, which everyone does in NYC).

In fact, that price limit will also price you out of a lot of other areas, too.  But as far as good areas to live in that are easy for clients to get to...Central Park would not be my first choice.  Pick a place near a lot of subways and near midtown, as everyone tends to work around there, and it's easier to get business during the day there.  I wouldn't go too far east or too far west, either.  Stay no further east than 3rd Avenue, and I would pick east over west.

As far as hot spots...there are so many and they are all different, depending on what you want.  If you want bottle-service and scene, look at the Meatpacking District.  For a good blend of everything, look at the Flatiron area.  The Village is always great and cool, as is Soho, but the problems there are that it isn't easy for clients to break out during lunch and the daytime to see you.

The Financial District sucks to live in.  It's dead at night, and there's nothing to do there.  It's great for daytime appointments, but a shitty place to live.  However, you get more bang for your buck three as far as space and cheaper rent.

Balconies and views push up the price--a lot.  And as far as size goes...I don't know what you consider big, but a studio in a nice doorman buildling will run you $2500/month, and then you're talking about 350 sq ft.  No, I'm not kidding.

Also, NYC isn't like the rest of the country where going from 1 bedroom to 2 bedroom means a 30% increase.  Here it's literally double.

If you want more info or you are coming into town, PM me, and I would be happy to show you around and give you my insight.

For the info.

If I have to I'll push up my rent cap. Id rather not but I know its the city and everything is costly. I need the space, at least 600 sqft. This is why Im posting to find out some things like this. I might be ok with the financial district, as bang for your buck. I dont care to live in all the action of the night life, Im here to work. If its easier for gents to see me during the day over there.. I need this "job" to supplement being able to live in NY so I can do my day job. My day job is my social activity, its a hobby I enjoy and I get to make money. I only go out so much really lol I'll sacrifice some stuff, the space, elevator, and outdoor terrace/balcony I need.

Im also low volume so I dont worry a lot about traffic and my day job is totally legit.

Trust me, I have been looking around because I want to move to a bigger place.
Same block where I live, one studio on a nice doorman building = 2,700 plus utilities. One bedroom? 3,300 hundred plus utilities.
She might - with luck - find a walkup. But, she will need to be quick and jump on it because they don't stay in the market for more than a few days.
She will need to compromise A LOT on the things she has on her wish list to get a place around Midtown for 2,500 (including all utilities).

There are some areas in Brooklyn where you can get AWESOME aparments with all the stuff you want and more, for around 2,500 a month.
I found a loft, brand new, in a trendy area for that much (duplex, lots of light AND a terrace!).
Brooklyn is just 15/20 minutes by train from the city and guys would not mind going to see you, if you offer long evening appointments.
Just a suggestion, not sure where your day job is, but you might want to think about the possibility to live outside the city.

I had an incall apartment in Manhattan three years ago.  

I was there for less than a year, and then I moved to a cheaper, bigger apartment in Brooklyn, and now I use hotel rooms in Manhattan.

I left my Manhattan apartment behind because of nosy neighbors, a nosier doorman, and the recession just started.

Personally, I did not like working working working my pussy off, just to afford the rent in Manhattan.  If you can't stop and smell the roses, why bother working here, you know what I mean?  I had to work FULL TIME, just to afford the Manhattan rent, and there were just more pricey rent increases looming in the near future...  

I have been offered Manhattan apartment hook-ups from clients, but it's always over $3K per month for rent...  I am not that busy, as a provider, to justify spending that much on rent.

I am glad that I did move to Brooklyn and now I provide more on the part time side in NYC.  I have weathered the economic storms more easily, and I am only 30 minutes subway ride from Manhattan.  Even when I lived in Manhattan, there were times it took me about that long to commute somewhere, anyway.  

When I moved to NYC, a hobbyist told me the best place to provide is "anywhere in between the financial district and 100th Street."  Personally, that works for me.  

It is true that midtown has the most working professionals with money, blah blah, and the tourists are all there.  However, you really can be successful as a provider in just about any part of the city... except Staten Island and maybe the Bronx would be a tough crowd.  LOL  Long Island seems tough, too.  I know girls who do provide outside of Manhattan, and they stay busy.

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As long as you treat your customers right,your donation is not exagerated you can provide anywhere outside Manhattan and you will have  a good,safe clientele,i dont mind taking the subway or driving to meet a lady,if she looks good,acts normal and has reasonable rates $300 -$400.
And im sure there are a few guys like me,willing to do the same,but like in any other business,customer service is the key to succes!!

I think Lynn said she prefers to see clients during the day, and if that's the case being in Brooklyn is not an option.  First, that is beyond inconvenient for any guy working in, say, finance.  Second, Brooklyn incall rates are always lower ao she can't command as much.

For 600 sq ft you are talking ome bedroom and if you want the balcony that usually adds at least 100 to 200 per month.

The other thing to keep in mind is that luxury doorman buildings have very strict rental guidelines.  You typically need lefit, documentable, verifiable annual income that is 40 times to 50 times your monthly rent.  For example, if you want to rent a 3000/month place, you need to show that you earn 120k to 150k per year.  And then you also need security deposit, first and last month's rent, so your outlay right off is about 9k.  

The Financial District may be good.  It is good for daytime clients that have deep pockets but not many buildings there have balconies.

PM me if you want to discuss more.

"Im a single female so I need safe, also safe for clients for both jobs."  I think safety is a subjective thing. There's difference signs of safety that different individuals need to feel safe.  There are some people who think New York City, in it's self, is inherently unsafe.  You could interpret 9/11 or the recent Times Square bomb attempt in Times Square as a sign of danger.  Just the other day, I randomly saw this drunk teenager from Long Island or New Jersey at 7 AM, and she was lost in my Brooklyn neighborhood, and she was terrified out of her wits.  She was completely freaking out, while everyone else was just buying their morning coffee.

I think you need to assess what you need, in order to feel safe, and maybe think about why you associate that quality with safety?  Is it really based on real things, or is it the stuff of urban legends?

Manhattan is SO DISGUSTINGLY GENTRIFIED.  I think everyone in Manhattan goes to bed at 7 PM.  



That's just my two cents.

Thanks again for the info everyone. I have preferences but will certainly compromise on area etc. Elevator is a must though, a 65 year old man is not going to walk up 6 flights of stairs to see me if you know what I mean. lol Nor would I want any clients to.

Thanks again for insight in the city. This is why I posted.

Hello, if someone can pay 2500 then what difference does it make to pay a bit more and get the place you really really want, instead of moving into something that you don't really want, but 500 bucks cheaper)))
 It's Not like she's gone work for 500/week? She will work for 500 per hour.
you get what you pay for and it worth doing 1 more client a month just to get the place
you want. Clients will love it and you will feel like the QUEEN of NEW YORK?
Those who were fortunate enough to visit my place know what I am talking about.
Yes, I have a lot of stuff. I have a big one bedroom, but how I supposed to hide
500+ pair of shoes and so many dresses  without being seen?
Like I always say Cluttered office cluttered mind EMPTY OFFICE EMPTY MIND. )))

...I pay 1800 for a one bedroom (350 square foot) apartment. It's a pre-war building and luckily I only have to go up one floor (there are no elevators in these older buildings). I love my apartment (and furnishings etc can certainly make your space 'live-able') but this is how I did it. Go to Craigslist NYC and ponder the ads - there are some really good 'deals' but you have to research and go see lots of them. I got a great deal (in NYC terms) since I have a great Landlord and Superintendent. Be personable, humble and sweet. Just my two cents. Good luck!!!

Everyone has forgotten to tell her about paying off the supt with approx 5K to get the apt.  In NYC its called key money which is totally illeghal but withouit it a GREAT apt will never be yours.

You took the words out of my mouth Brooklyn has great apartments. Convenience to manhattan is literally a 10-15 minute train ride.

There is a real need for quality providers in Brooklyn and, if you decide to look into it, find a nice condo, loft or apartment like a block or two from ANY of the subway stops.
You will get the guys commuting their jobs to & from NYC. If you offer an affordable two hrs evening appointment, you will get the guys living in Brooklyn who don't want to hobby in the city.
Long Island is not a place for newbies just moving into NY. Is well known that LE there is ruthless and a girl working out of ANY area in Long Island will get busted sooner or later! Is just a matter of time before she will get popped. LE there has references AND work info.
Bronx is a tough area, and Queens is soso. Staten Island is far and not a good place to work from either.
Brooklyn is the best 'out of Manhattan" place to make money, as many hobbyists live there.

I would say it's not a great idea if your business plan is to have incall appointments during the day.

I don't think every provider can command $500/hour or more.  If you have solid 8s and 9s across the board and are very well-reviewed, you probably can.

You just gotta be cognizant of what you can charge.  As a client I can tell you that with the economy going into the shitter and Wall Street announcing big layoffs, you are gonna see a tougher business environment.  So to lock yourself intto lots of rent is a tough sell, especially if you aren't accustomed to paying Manhattan prices for Manhattan sizes.

Plus, there are the startup costs (first month's, last month's and security), not to mention the utilities are gonna be expensive (if you're running AC all summer like most of us are, you expect bills between $100 and $250 a month, depending on how big your place is).  And of course there's the other cost of living things that just go into being in the city, like cabs, food, and generally going out and hemorrhaging money at all the hotspots in town ($20 cocktails, dinners where the meal is easily $80 to $100/person just for food).

Also, there are lots of quality girls who are charging $350 who have had to do that because of the economy and to keep busy.

That's a better business plan, methinks.

If you figure that a hotel room in Manhattan runs you $500/night, you can plan ahead and book four clients at $400/hour each and make your money.

In this economy, the last thing you wanna do is have a huge nut every month to meet.

I am reading everyone's posts in this thread, and it's becoming more clear to me how subjective the Brooklyn vs. Manhattan chasm is.



My Brooklyn rent is about one third the cost of what I paid in for my rent in Manhattan, and it's a bigger apartment, like I mentioned.  I'm 30 mins. from Manhattan, too.

When I am busy providing, I am sure my hotel bills brings my total "space expense" up to the cost of  Manhattan rent

However, when I'm having a slower month, it's a relief to have lower rent.

There was a six week period, last year, when I fell down the stairs and my arm was in a sling.  I was so glad I opted for cheaper Brooklyn, when I wasn't able to provide for six weeks.

I also have traveled A LOT, since I moved to NYC, and that wouldn't have been possible, if I was still enslaved to Manhattan rent.

I think if you try Manhattan, and a different part of the city is a better fit for you, you will be guided towards the part of the city that matches you best.

Most of my friends live in Brooklyn, too.  That's probably where my Brooklyn enthusiasm lies, too.

" I don't want to live in the ghetto. "  That's a very subjective concept in this city.

Just like how " safety " is a subjective concept in this city.

It means different things to different people.  

my first post to the boards ever.

i am not a real estate broker, but i know the rental market pretty well due to my business.

$2500 for what you are looking for is not realistic. i suggest you scale back what you need/want. i'm part of the manhattan crowd. i'm sure you can get great deals in brooklyn that are only 30 minutes away. but 30 minutes is an eternity in new york. also, if you're gonna use that argument, you might as well go out to queens (astoria, LIC). better bang for your buck than brooklyn.

i personally think you should shy away from the central park area. that's one of the big things that's killing your $2500 hopes. go further out -- expand west into the 9th ave region or further east into the 2nd ave region. that'll bring down rents.

you're also not gonna get view and balcony and doorman at $2500. anyone that tells you that is lying to you. each of those features adds $$$ to the price tag. your best bet is to get into a safe, small building that's a walk-up. something on the 2nd floor (one floor up). where neighbors mind their business.

for $2500 right now, what you can get is maybe 500 square feet in a modest building with no doorman, no view, no outside space.

oh. last bit:  shopping for a rental right now is THE worst time of the year. you're fighting with NYU/Columbia students, as well as all the corporate newbies that have just gotten jobs. the rental market drops off a cliff for October 1 move-ins. that'll save you $200/month right off the bat.

October 1st is when the changes on new regulations and rental raises are applied on leases for these apartments.
Lots of walk ups are under the stabilized laws and she might get one (if she's luck).
Tenants from stabilized units need to move out by the end of September, if they decided the rent is too high for them to pay.

Thanks for the more info and insights on the city. I wouldnt move till at least November/December.

I do most of my appointments during the day, Im available any time, (work my own hours for day job too)thats just when most want appointments in Upstate. Seems the gents sneak out during the work day to see ladies.

Only thing I cannot compromise on is the size, I need the space. I will also travel to make my money for the month if I have to, I already do it. I make good money in Syracuse but I like the travel. I'll probably travel to Syracuse once a month anyways, I think Im keeping my commercial space in the cuse, tour for my day job so to speak too. lol

I will certainly compromise on things as I have to be realistic, its NYC. I just dont want to live in the ghetto or walk up 6 floors everyday. lol Im pushing 40! lol Living where is easier for gents to see me is a plus. I can live anywhere in the city to work my day biz...

And its all in the marketing no matter where you live or whats going on in the economy. You can sell anything to anyone if you market it properly. Target the market that pays.. ladies reducing rates should revamp their ads/marketing/etc. Even when its slow here, I still make my weekly minimum. The rest is bonus money..

8/9's are not the be all for a lady on TER.. Just sayin'. I only even have 2 reviews here, Im well reviewed on another board. The point system on TER is a bit too much.. I guess you could say.. IMO. Im certainly not going to base my rates or my business on TER reviews. I charge what I charge because Im worth it, I believe in you get what you pay for, and bottom line.. Im a business women before Im a hooker.

Without a broker, in a bldg that has just a sign posted where they give you the application thru the office of the supt or resident mgr a payoff is needed to secure the apt rather than someone else who is providing cash to "not lose your application".  These are in rent stabilized apts in smaller bldgs.  How do you think all the brothels get their apts and lofts?

I lived in a doorman bldg on the eastside, dead end street up on the 29th flr with south views of the river 7 years ago for $720 p/mo because the bld had a free mkt apt and a rent stabilized 421A apt and I told the on premises resident mgr that I will pay for the apt, what will it take.  It took $7500 cash and the apt was mine and I had the best service.  Long time move outs in RS bldgs or 421A bldgs with doormen and without require payoffs (key money).
Friend lives bet CPW and Col in the low 80's pays 1100 but paid 10K key money.

Maybe you just dont know where to look and how to negot. with the on premises resident mgbr to show you an upcoming empty or the "other" apts available not advertised.

Very true.  NYC is truly a dump for the most part compared to the rest of the country.

People pay a premium to live here (I don't know why), so you really gotta adjust expectations downwards.  I'm not trying to poo-poo your efforts, but you will see soon enough yourself.  Finding an apartment is the biggest pain in the ass unless you can pay exorbitant prices (which was luckily the situation I was in when I moved here).

My apartment building is great, but they also made me put a year's worth of rent up because my FICO wasn't upper 700s or 800ish.  You do the math as to how much money I had to pay to get this place.  And that was a 700 sq. ft. one-bedroom with ridiculous views and more than one balcony.

The shit people will do to live here...

I'm not saying you are or aren't worth the money.  I'm just saying that you will probably be shocked at how much you will pay for how little you get.

There's an old saying here.  You get two out of three things unless your resources are unlimited:

Space
Location
Price

You can have space and price, but a shitty location (way downtown, way uptown, way east or way west).  You can have a killer location and space, but then you get raped on price.

You get the picture...

Just don't want you to have unrealistic expectations, that's all.  Another provder mentinoed that you will be getting $500/hour, and I think that's pretty optimistic to think you will always be booked at that rate all the time.  Especially with the state of this economy and where it's headed.

If you want to have mostly daytime, incall appointments, the other boroughs are a lousy choice.  Stick to Manhattan, and stick to where the clients work, which is midtown or downtown.  Downtown Financial District stinks as far as quality of life because everything shuts down after the work hours.  Midtown east generally seems to e a more desirable place to live because midtown west is another word for Times Square.

Another poster said that you should be looking closer to 2nd Avenue, and I would agree, but 2nd Avenue righ tnow is the pits because they are tearing up all the ground underneath to dig another subway tunnel that is long overdue and badly needed.  The eastside has only one  train at this time, so getting around can be challenging if you are living farther away from the line (the train line runs along Lexington Avenue, so 2nd Avenue is two avenue blocks away).

For your price range if space is what you must need, you will probably be looking for an older building and maybe a walkup instead of an elevator building.

Most of the office buildings on the eastside run along 5th Avenue, Madison Avenue, Park Avenue, Lexington Avenue, and 3rd Avenue.  2nd Avenue is about as far east as you can expect a client to walk or cab it to during the daytime to get away for an hour or so.

If your plan is to have incalls but after work or in the evenings, you can be a lot more fleixible in where you want to live in the city.

Cool thanks carpet. I heard they are doing upgrades to the subway system, now to learn that! lol I cab it mostly, so cheap to cab it there. Triple the fair in upstate.

I can work any hours, I do now. I can book any day, any time according to my openings I just book more day appointments as thats what the gents want. Lots of mid morning is what I get. lol

Gatta check into parking.. I know its bad and costly there. I'll have store my car, Ill need it to travel so I wont get rid of it. I could store it upstate and train back but I dont really want to do that, want quicker access in case I want it. lol

Parkng on the low side is probably $300 to $325 per month, and can easily run into the $500 or $600 range if it's covered and in a particularly desirable area.

Also check into your jump in insurance rates.

You may be better off renting a car when you need it.  Lots of pepple do that here.

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Cool thanks carpet. I heard they are doing upgrades to the subway system, now to learn that! lol I cab it mostly, so cheap to cab it there. Triple the fair in upstate.

I can work any hours, I do now. I can book any day, any time according to my openings I just book more day appointments as thats what the gents want. Lots of mid morning is what I get. lol

Gatta check into parking.. I know its bad and costly there. I'll have store my car, Ill need it to travel so I wont get rid of it. I could store it upstate and train back but I dont really want to do that, want quicker access in case I want it. lol