http://nymag.com/news/features/sex/2012/johns-and-escorts-mixer/

And to think our world was private - now its on public display for all to read... Awesome!

So much for attending those M&G's... Bummer. It was fun while it lasted.

Time to start blurring the photos... Stay safe, discreet & keep your affairs private ladies & gents... Who knows where this will lead.

Kisses.

~A

Actually, not as bad as I thought it could be.  At least there were no names of ladies or guys' handles.

There have been articles about this site and others in the past.  There was nothing new in this article other than the fact that people met at a bar and nothing illegal happened there.

Blur your pics if you feel like it helps you, but you are no more or less at risk today than you were last week.

I, for one, will not judge all M&G's based on this event, and I will keep attending the ones where I feel comfortable.

He's been rightfully shamed and humiliated and will never throw another party again ever. The other party throwers throughout M&G history in NY have not had any problems whatsoever, and security, privacy, and discretion have been the rule. I'd not hesitate to go to a M&G in NYC and look forward to the next one .  Let's not fear monger.

Let's have fun NY!

-- Modified on 7/30/2012 4:31:03 PM

Maybe nothing illegal happened there, but here's a quote from the author"

"Some of the women, in fact, had rented hotel rooms nearby, and some of the men went with them".

Guys that think they know it all about what's legal and what isn't usually find themselves jammed up.

The settings for M&G's are all wrong. Way too obvious IMO.
Never went to one, and probably never will now.
Is the article accurate to the truth?

Has vanimanidiot been banned from TER?

Does This writer still have access to TER?

So, anyone have answers?


Perfect timing..

same day as president comes to town..this article in the NY'er...

I am so glad I come from an era where its cool to keep your mouth shut .....


wondering if there are any other snitches out there....


(placing cheese in plain site...)

He can't be all bad, as he has penned some articles for The Nation.

-- Modified on 7/30/2012 3:44:33 PM

To everyone in a situation like this, the jerk that promoted the mixed needs to be permanently shunned.  He should never be allowed back into the TER community.  I use TER just for the purpose of being UTR.  I had too many hood-rats (do not mean to offend anyone-and no i don't slum on BP) call me at all hours of the night looking to see where I was, I even had a few come to my job and almost atart a mess.  Once my boss had one come to the job and yell, "you promised to pay me more and I know where your wife lives"..Needless to say this was very embarassing.  That is why I meet professional ladies.  To remain UTR and not have to deal with this.  I will never attend another meet and greet in NYC unless it is by Octavia, who i know is very professional.  Otherwise NO.  I am going all the way to Vegas to attend a national meet and greet and I have the feeling that they are better prepared than the last asshole that threw thew the M&G here in NYC and let the reporter in.

Thanks but no thanks

Addict

....how he can call the kettle black is ridiculous. Going covert to find the sloppiest, and the worst drunks to interview is what he is - a jerk. Never liked these 'so called' reporters that lie, cheat and cohort those who truly are not escorts and/or clients. Prostitutes sell their sex and Escorts have the choice since it is only time. That's the difference. To call everyone in TER as prostitutes and John's is so OLD for the 21st century. This dude most likely watches kiddy porn and thinks he's cool. It was a party! Not a ORGY filled with porn stars. We are normal people doing what everyone does. Girlfriends and wives - they get even more for what we wouldn't ever have and they call themselves civil. What a joke on supposed 'normalcy' in this day and age.

Right on all counts.  I went to one of that dipshits Jersey parties and it was cheesy.  He thought he'd step into TBM's shoes and blew it immediately with his out-of-control ego.  I was not there and am glad I was not.  You are also right about Octavia.  I have no problem going to her next one.  And if anyone thinks all M&Gs are like the one in the story, that's bullshit, too. Without giving too much away, sex happens, quite spontaneously as the hour gets late.
To those who say the article's no big deal, I also say "bullshit."  Sure it could have been worse but this game is all about discretion, and the story shines a big spotlight on part of our world.  We all know LE knows about TER but this can potentially make their bosses tell them to start going after the M&G crowd and the high-end indies, if only for a little while.
As for where vadfuckwad is right now, c'mon, for all we know he's on this board from a new computer under a new handle.  He vowed to leave permanently but if you believe that I have a really cool bridge to sell you.

he's never going to throw a party again.  No chicks want to fuck him either. He's a pariah.  

The good news is the next party will be hosted by people who have a stellar track record of security, discretion, rigorous screening, and no big mouths.  There is no reason to avoid a NY M&G with the loud mouth asshole gone from the picture.  Let's all have fun, party and prepare for a fun party in the fall !  

Party on!

At least we knew it was coming...the damage would have been worse had this caught us by surprise.  The fact that this reporter was invited by the now disgraced organizer with the full consent and knowledge of his identity and intentions, and that this was not was not an unintentional screening failure, means that this is probably not likely to recur at any future events.  Past events were never breached as far as anyone knows, and I know that those who may be planning these are being ultra careful in extending invites.  The real losers here will be the newbies, and those looking to attend for the first time that do not have airtight references.  Getting invited now will be much more difficult, and maybe that's a good thing.

Seriously.  

I have been following this news since it happened and I have one question and one suggestion:


If you plan on being a host, and you cannot continue for whatever reason yet you want your guests to

continue enjoying these events and seek out anyone to take your place  EVALUATE your substitute.


Make SURE that you are dealing with someone who knows how to practice privacy and who will not fail
his guests by bringing someone in who is dangerous or a threat to privacy. Never ASSUME someone
is capable of following your lead without strict coaching . Be a helicopter over that person before EVER allowing them to pick up for you because if you don't  you put your guests at risk. The person who passed this on to VAD failed in one thing. Evaluating his mentality and responsibility.


I heard enough to ask him to remove me from his guest list. I felt uneasy about him through his
communication both on the phone, and in email.I am glad that no photos were taken
by this reporter .

I hope everyone remembers his face so that they will avoid him should he cross their path on the street and look for a story .

Angela

As in if someone is going to sub in for a host or someone who plans to continue events . Sorry if
my statements came off as accusations not at all intended to be taken that way just commenting on
the realm of safety in the event that it were handed over in the future in general . I feel badly for all
of the guests and I hope the best for all future events .

Angela  

That self promoting low life jerk ran NJ parties that were usually 90% blue collar guy attendees and  10%  lower tier girls. Many of these parties were held in ghettos and Vadhaman was getting a cut/percentage of the working girl's actions at the party in some instances (read pimp).  One of his parties was visited by COPS and subsequently busted up/ closed down because neighbors complained of under age drunk girls on the premises. Vadhaman then LIED and  blamed the COPS coming to the party on his own black security guard (nice guy).  Inviting a reporter so he could get his dumb ass username in a magazine was beyond the pale, but predictable.

None of these issues have ever happened at a NYC party or with any other party throwers ever in history.  There is no sex at NYC mixers with other hosts/hostesses, and nothing illegal going on. There is nothing to fear, and other past party hosts for the last 10 years have had no problems or breaches whatsoever. The parties are always discreet, safe, secure, and fun.  So much so that the restaurant or bar owners never know the parties are provider/hobbyist parties.  They think the parties are corporate.

Time to get ready for more parties and fun.  Stop worrying, and stop the hand wringing.  NYC parties are safe and secure without the aforementioned loser host.   Party on NYC!    Let's have fun like we always have in the greatest hobby and party city on the face of the earth!      

I just don't find that the allure of meeting many girls in person at the same time isn't worth the risk of bumping into someone you know.  NYC is still a very small world.

mixer was most unfortunate and resulted in his article written about the Meet and Greet, not the way mixers are supposed to go, I still think Meet and Greets are a great way to meet other providers and hobbyists in person.

It is very alarming that the host, for some bizarre reason, thought it ok to invite this reporter to our private event. With that said, Meet and Greets WILL continue to be held and I for one will continue to attend them and hope to host another mixer as well ( I hosted the Mixer in Ct in May- which was a discrete, fun event and am thinking of hosting one in New Jersey next).

Anyone can  have access to the TER boards so anyone and everyone can see the M & G section, so Meet and Greets are not exactly a secret. Hosts will just have to be more careful and discrete in planning future events and everyone who attends needs to be screened properly, as is usually the case. I have been attending Meet and greets for the past 8 years and I have never been to an event where the host invited a reporter in as was done at the last NY meet and greet.

I wouldn't let this article put a damper on Meet and Greets, but of course everyone needs to do what is comfortable for them.

Stay safe everyone, and have fun with our hobby!
Hugs,
Bobbi

Other hobbyists.  

Might be a little awkward if I found a colleague from my industry there.  Or vice versa.

I appointed no one as my successor. In fact, I went so far as to post that my email list was/is private and that any new host would be on their own in that regard. It just so happened that he was the one who stepped up on his own accord and hosted a party.


It is not my job to evaluate anyone. I stayed out of his business because it was none of mine. You should do the same.

I am not pleased that I have been dragged into this thread by you. My decision in years past to NOT invite you was built on a solid foundation that you continue to build to this day.

I have been to several m&g's and have always in the past, felt safe with the screening I know TBM did. I just ASSUMED all m&g's were done in this manner. ALthough I didn't personally know VAN, I assumed he ran his m&g's in jersey the same way they were run in nyc. Safe, secure and screened to the hilt. I was wrong.

I understand running one of these is a headache. I appreciate those who do throw them and spend the time screening and arranging invites and secureing a venue. This is alot of work, and I doubt any profit is made, if any. To do anything in Manhattan is expensive.

I so enjoyed going to the m&g's and meeting other providers and some hobbyest. I refuse to let what vandam did prohibit me from going to another.

ALthough I will be much more aware of the reputation of the next one who is throwing a m&g I attend.

(soo disappointed I missed Bobbis in CT!....hummm sweets, ever think of throwing one in Manhattan? I doubt TBM will come of retirement after this ! But I wish he would!)





-- Modified on 7/31/2012 10:26:49 AM

This is simply fucked up.... HE shouldnt have been invited to our party... I will continue to go to DC bc you I can trust and YOU would never do something like this!! See you soon hon...

As far as a reporter getting an invite,, That is BULL and should NEVER have happened..Im glad I never went..


Bye ya'll..

BIT

I thought women from Philadelphia had good judgment. The Nation? Look around at the mess we're in. Time for us all to take control of our own lives and stop trying to manage everyone else's. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

This was the first M&G I attended and I'm glad I did not find out this reporter till after the fact otherwise I think I would've passed on going however the night was fun and I truly met some wonderful people.  

I clicked on the link to the article.

The article loaded.



And then a pop up for the NY Mag Dating Service  appeared.


timing is everything.

...that you can't be too careful. This could happen anywhere if people aren't vigilant about screening. Damn media!

Just saying it's not for me.  No need to take that personally.

NYC is a very small world, and you don't know who you are going to bump into at one of these soirees.

To top it off, there have been too many bust at these types of things, even when those invited have gone through screening. Really, anyone thinks that girls who have been screening for years and know all the tricks and they don't ever get popped that a mongers screening system can't be penetrated?  Although in this case Vad knew exactly what he was doing, which he admitted to openly.

TBM is NOT to be blamed. This was NOT his party, and it is the responsibility of those attending the party to make sure that their host is one whom they can trust and the blame should NOT be shifted to TBM on any level.

When we choose to play in this hobby, we also choose to accept the chances that we take, and in this case, against the general consensus, the responsibility lay on those who attended as even before the party happened there were threads about issues that were already arising, which should have raised red flags, not hard cocks and thirst of money.

From my own previous experiences at M&G's, I can pretty much guess who several of the attendees were from the authors description, especially the monger with the open too far shirt and gold chain who spouted off about only wanting to pay for younger ladies, many of us have shared a good laugh at his expense over his attitude over the years, to the statuesque blonde, wonder if its the lovely but ditzy as hell one?

The article wasn't that in depth, the narrative amusing, which leads me to wonder, how the mongers that were there and recognized themselves in the article, feel at having someone else "review and judge them" even if only mildly?

I didnt see your name mention at all. just my 2 cents worth.

Yes pretty accurate. Not my style at all. I don't attend the greets. Just depends what your interests are. Mine are not for anything that happens in mixers or risky situations

All of the sudden posting a lot.... Not much of a previous posting history prior to this week... NO REVIEWS but seems to know whether or not an alias will be invited to another M&G... Hmmmm.... Hmmmmm.....

Posted By: Man_Cave

Posted By: crazyshit

Other hobbyists.  

Might be a little awkward if I found a colleague from my industry there.  Or vice versa.  

Don't worry Crazy Shit ..... you won't be invited anyway. We don't need another drama queen.  Party on NYC.
NYC parties and others I've attended around the country have always been safe and secure, and a blast.  

I received NY Mag. in the mail yesterday, there were some good articles in the "sex" issue.  I can certainly understand people's anger at what happened.  But found the guys article kind of boring and somewhat corny. I don't think this guy will be the next great investigative journalist.

Incredibly ignorant or you have an axe to grind.  Which is it?

It's just not my thing.

Very good points.

Well if this person is here on this board oh well but I read that and had to make an undercover statement. I am so tired of people so many times the worst JUDGING since when did they create this earth.

Here is what I had to say

2Sides2 - Handle
You know who is disgusting the people who  
A. sneak in as to uncover some bad place
B. then write about it and make assumptions about a another place of just normal people meeting each, we fail to remember that there is nothing wrong with meeting new people
It sickens me that we are so close minded in this world and those who cast judgement are the worst offenders of wrong. You are making assumptions because he gathered a few business cards remember boys and girls who judge and hide your own naughty secrets, companionship, escort & courtesan are all legal there are bad apples everywhere i.e. this reporter. This lifestyle has been a lifesaver for many in more ways than I could ever explain in 2500 words. Here is a few for instance a husband who loves his wife and children more than life it self however the wife wants nothing to do with just companionship and every night he goes home to only be misserable and angry and the children see and he can't help his wife out of her deep depression? Or lets take a mother who because our economy went bad can't get a job has always dated one jerk after another? Now this lifestyle the man shares moments and companionship with that mother makes him feel happier, he makes her feel better with compliments and a nice so she can survive. Well I say see now you have saved two families and possibly more cause now both of their children can grow up to be amazing parents and by that time maybe this country will grow up stop casting judgement, instead help those around you who are getting hurt or lock up those who hurt others.


Small minded people hold the world back!!!!!!

Listen there is no need to proceed with caution if you are enjoying a lifestyle as it should be enjoyed, companionship is legal and so is friendship! I see my friends and thank goodness I got some really amazing friends so what if they happen to be gentlemen I am much happier in my life!!!!

I think events like that are silly why would you want to have others know of your friendships in that way. Companionship is between two private people not a mixer then it becomes a party or in this case someone to smear the beauty of what is natural. We all deserve the right to live a healthy happy life and this allows that to happen for so many.

YOU GO GIRL!

It is so true if you screen you can have events like this and if they work for you great go to them however keep your mouth shut. Cause the truth is anyone could get through on this site when they say they came from TER that means nothing. They must be a reviewer and whitelisted, now saying that I do understand were you gentlemen stand in the same place we do. I just think we lose sight of one thing yes reviews are good, she nor he though doesn't need a ton it is the same as anywhere quality not quantity, there has to be some level of what is to come when you meet.

I see some of the post where a new guy is asking about a lady and a guy will be giving graphic details go to this lady. I am in amazement cause I think the majority of the people in this way of life are missing passion and intimacy. You see a person young in their intimate life would think what performance he was going to get, however you see that is why they are always chasing cause they only got a performance. Now you take someone who is mature in their intimate life and they are concerned with is their a connection are they comfortable with that person and you also take a person who goes and makes the right choice. The truth is if you listen to your gut and you are a person who is mature enough to handle a life of intimacy then you normally make the right choice. Please don't think I mean age has anything to do with it, some of the us older have been or are very immature in intimacy.

If we treat this and all we do in this lifestyle this way then I think the right choices can be made. Because the bottom line is I think someone could easily penetrate any website. Anyone could want their 5 minutes of fame and speak with a reporter. I think that the reviews should air on the side of caution cause you just don't know, some of the comments through out the different boards are a little to open and what is the need for so much detail? This is a lovely life so many of us get to experience and for some it is truly a life savior not just for the person also for their families. Not only that, we are stripping the beauty of such a natural and great gift of being a living breathing human we are tearing apart the God given gift intimacy and making it something that leaves us all guarded. We are becoming frightened of intimacy what the hell is this WORLD coming to, if that happens I will tell you a bunch of miserable OLD FARTS! Not me I am going to be sexy and intimate till the day I die, which if my intimate life goes as planned anywhere btw 85-125. I through the he lower side cause I love my occasional whiskey or scotch, and all this discussion instead of out their enjoying what is what we want and I am going to just pack it up.....

We all deserve this beautiful gift and we can all have it should we embrace it!!!

Normal people just meeting each other?  C'mon, at least lets be honest with ourselves.  It was not a party where "normal" people meet.  The only purpose of that "party" was to connect prostitutes with potential clients.  Now, don't get me wrong.  I'm not judging.  I do partake and I'm no hypocrite.  But lets not make this reporter out to be some bad guy.  He was just reporting what he saw.  We all know that the majority of mongers have inadequate social skills or are completely are anti-social.  A small part are downright sick (perverted).  And only a small percentage are completely well-adjusted (what most would call "normal") individuals.

As for these parties, why would anybody with a professional job attend one?  What would happen if you ran into a colleague or somebody from your office.  Do you think nobody would find out?  I work for a financial services company.  If somebody were to see me and spread rumors, I think I would have to quit of embarrassment.  Our society look down on this hobby and any involvement in it, marks you as some kind of deviant.  I would not want to be subjected to it.

Lets not start a discussion about how great this lifestyle is.  Your 2 examples are very nice and all, but this lifestyle has ruined many more women than it has helped.  And it has caused many more divorces and destroyed more families than it has "helped".  And apart from the few smart prostitutes who don't have pimps, spend their money wisely, and save for their "retirement", most spend it all very frivolously and after their "careers" are over, they wither away.

... even though I was very much a participant in going after VADHA when all of this first went down.

What brought me back in was just to mention something so far overlooked or forgotten. Not only did this miscreant invite a reporter to the party, he then gave him ALL of our e-mail addresses, so that we were subsequently contacted by the reporter, not once but TWICE, asking for interviews. Unbelievable.

I don't begrudge an enterprising journalist. But for VADHA to not only invite him but then voluntarily invade each individual's privacy by giving out our contact information creates a new standard for VENAL, THOUGHTLESS, CRAVEN STUPIDITY!

Just saying...

While the board has changed, the shift I have seen I have enjoyed, as there seems to be more honesty and clarity that is finally being used by more, and your post is on that line.

While I fully partake in this hobby, I am not so engulfed into this lifestyle to try to fool myself to think that this is "normal" - especially when it comes down to the fact that people are openly discussing it without much regard on the public net.

A meet and greet of hookers and their johns is anything but normal. It actually screams in its own face of absurdity in that this "hobby" is supposed to be one that is private, behind closed doors, and discrete, not lets round up a group of working girls in their fuck me shoes, slinky dresses, glitter eye shadow and their customers, put some drinks in 'em and watch how their inhibitions and senses leave them....

Our society does look down upon this "service" and as of late, LE and the powers to be have been taking a much harsher view of it, bringing it to the forefront of many heated new legislations that have passed....

And for the ladies 2 points, I agree with BP_rules_lol, your examples are nice and full of fluff, but the reality is, this hobby eats up and spits out more than it actually helps... yes, the mother who has to provide for her children and is able to do so through this is great, but the fact is, that many of those Moms then get sucked up by the large sums of cash involved and lose real sight of why they got into in the first place, and end up spending more time kissing customers asses and worried about their repuations with clients , then with their kids, and then try to make up for it by buying them bigger and better things, which in turns leaves them leaving the kids more to make more money.... and many in the end, take away one of the major things they need to give their kids, a good example of how real relationships between a man and a woman are, because by the time they are done giving everything to their clients, they no longer have the emotional means for a real relationship.

As to the man at home who has a wife who he feels no passion with, I can understand this fully, but maybe, just maybe if some of the mongers, not all, but some, put at least half the amount of time into their relationships at home that they do in trying to woo women who are out of their leagues anyway, they might actually get some of that passion in their relationship at home.

Look, I partake in the hobby hard, have for a while, but my main point is, don't try to cover this up with the bs of oh it saved this one and it saved that one, the REAL reality is a harsh one, while this hobby is very honest in that it is an exchange for one thing for another, it still in the end fucks up more people in the end than it actually helps. And a Meet and Greet is anything but a normal party.

While I agree with Blake's points, let's not be naive and think this was just a regular M&G like speed dating.  Everyone participating knows what this is about.  I have never been to one of these and never will, but I see the value, just like going to an industry cinference and being able to meet all your counterparties in one place and over a set of dates.

The reporter and the host aren't really to blame.  Look, as soon as something is posted on the internet, there is risk it gets out to places other than its intended recipients.  Every firm out there has a disclaimer on its fax and email correspondence addressing the possibility of someone other than the intended recipient receiving the contents.  

Now, I disagree that the majority of hobbyists are mal-adjusted.  Maybe if you are looking at a sample based on these boards, it is, but even then, these are board personas and people have a tendency to be real sociopaths when they can hide behind a screenname.  Meet them in person, and they are completely different in real life.

I do share the notion that I don't understand why anyone with a professional job/career would ever attend one of these.  Way too much to lose, not much to gain.  I also work in a career like yours.  It's a small world.  Ask the providers how many of their clients are in finance, and they inevitably say that it is the overwhelming majority.  I am quite sure that some of my colleagues use the same girls.  That said, I don't wanna find out by bumping into them.

Also, I do agree that Blake's examples are the exception, not the rule.  I can't tell you how many girls just do not save their money, who get used to the outsized payouts from escorting, and then inevitably find out they can't replace the income with anything else.  And it is truly sad to see those women when their looks fade and they are still hustling.  Just seeing the trailer for that movie "American Courtesans" brings that to mind.  Some of those women were quite attractive at one point in time.  I hope they saved well, because i this environment, they are gonna have a very, very tough time.

You simply should not be hosting events.

It's common knowledge that TBM retired from M&G's and that vadhadouche self-declared himself the successor to M&G host by saying "overwhelming consensus elected me." Whatever that means.

Pretty sure TBM has absolutely NOTHING to do with vadhajerk.

first of all I didn't get past first two sentences or so what the hell are you even on this site for. I don't know
what you are trying to say I did not go to that party however was invited and I don't consider myself a prostitute. I am an educated woman with many years of sales and marketing and still own my own company and I have a nice circle of friends who after I was laid off came to my rescue and helped a lady feel better about her situation and gave her hope. Now as you sit there and say why would anyone normal attend these events to my knowledge they were normal people from this site the same site you sit and write on boards about, oh yeah and the site that you are part of seems like. And I think you should really think long and hard and do you homework before you make statements that you have no idea whether true or not. So get off the soap box that you sit on and look at yourself first.

I think I would say those who it destroyed should not have been in it then. Anything will destroy you and if you consume yourself with anything it will swallow you up. I am 39 years old and very new to this and dating in general cause I knew I wasn't mature enough to handle and when my fiancé dropped dead from a sudden heart attack I was with no men for 3 years after cause I knew I was not healthy enough mentally to date. So it isn't just this and if you feel as negative as you do may I ask why are you here?

I don't understand why you guys are even seeing women if anyone ever called me a hooker I honestly have to say I would knock them out. It is truly sickening I guess that is what types of ladies you are meeting.

Excuse me first of all if these are coming in the right section not sure exactly how to work this. Now that is so true that it has I know of ladies whom its happened to however when I speak I only speak of me and those friends I have. It is with anything it can destroy you if over indulged in and I never stepped in this world until I was a very young 38 and that is why my approach is totally different than any other. This for me is dating one thing i have never done. However I knew that passion and this woman inside was wanting to have the opportunity to express herself, just so happened the other part of me could not be so adventurous then loosing my job pushed me into a corner. Now that I am there I am actually seeing life has a funny way of working out and sometimes when you have limited choices you do things you never would have and then in the end great things happen. My fiance was a real ass and I spent many years since his death trying to see my beauty and here I have seen it and its only when I get the negative guys who call you playing games, sending you to addresses that are bogus now that doesn't happen cause I know how to check or send you emails then do I get frustrated. I have never spent time with anyone I could not see having a long term relationship with, and they are all my very good friends and helped when asked without any stipulations. So I only speak from my experience which should be the case for all of the world.

Please, Vad knew exactly what he was doing, it was part of his deal with the reporter. Seriously, 120 a head, times 75, what is that, nearly 9 grand? Yea, he knew exactly what the fuck he was doing and laughed all the way to the bank... lets face it, in a place like the hobby world, all he has to do like the countless others that have been asses on the board is reinvent himself....

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and he meant to expose each and every persons email addy. His reasoning is simple... he wasn't giving anyones real info, just their "aliases" so no real harm done.....  its all about the Benji's, and that in the end is what it is all about anyway... from the women who charge a certain amount to the men who will only spend a certain amount. Money, its what rules the world, at least this one.

Typical Angela drama post, and I could probably find a few dozen more Angela train wrecks if I wanted to waste my time on you.

By the way, I saw some of the emails where you are claiming to be a victim of my "harassment" on this thread.
To set the record straight, I have avoided you like the plague just to keep away from your drama. Perhaps you should do the same.

Don't worry, I won't send out a mailer to my substantial mailing list. Most everyone on it knows about you anyhow.

Blakeastornyc,
You may not consider yourself a prostitute, but that's exactly what you and every other "provider" are.  I agree that the word "hooker" can be derogatory, and don't use it, but "prostitute" is the definition of the work you get paid for.  Nobody is paying for your companionship.  And all of us who pay for sex are "johns".  Many guys are not willing to admit that.  I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad, but if we're being real, lets be real.  This is not dating.  You are not dating as you said.  This is prostitution.  Your clients are not your friends.  Friends know each other's real names, know each others' families, know where they live, and hang out together (without payment).  How many times have you "hung out" with your "friends" without charging them?  That's a rhetorical question; everybody knows the answer.  However, people in this hobby have created many euphemisms to not have to face the truth of what they are doing.  

In case you are still not convinced.  The definition of prostitute: One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.

I didn't know that the organizer gave out people's email addresses.  That's insane.  Imagine if somebody was using their corporate email.  You don't think this reporter would reach out to the company for comment on their employees using prostitutes.  How quickly would these idiots (those who would use their corporate email address) be fired?