I hear stories from different cities of hobbyists who take advantage of providers who are not clock-watchers.

Opinions anyone, everyone:

What is acceptable? What is just plain rude?

5-15 minutes over?
15-30 minutes?
30-60 minutes?
"I'll move in if she lets me!"
(I heard of at least one hobbyist who hung around for almost 3 hours after his scheduled time ran out.)

I would especially like to hear from the guys. Providers jump in. This is a case where posting with an ALIAS is a good idea if you're afraid of ruffling feathers.

thirsty

P.S. I'll try to prime the pump a bit by occasionally starting a discussion topic like this.

1- They place their robe on.
2- They go to the bathroom.
3- They simply look at their watch and ask if they want another hour.

I really do think the guys should keep track and like a gentleman, not wait for the the woman to end the apt.

What else do you girls do without looking like your going to kick these nice guys out when the time is up?

this one is my favorite:
25 minutes into a 1 hour session after i CIM she say (with 35 minutes left and reviews said YES to seconds) "so i guess were done here thanks"

I usually am out of the door BEFORE my time is up, I am a one pop type of guy, sooooo, after I take the Parting shower ( I also take one when I arrive ) I am saying Goodbye, and getting out of there... I get a little guilty feeling after also, so I really want to leave asap...

I only go on outcall dates so maybe it's different for me but I usually end up staying a little longer to chat. And it's because most of the men I meet are very interesting to talk to and if I am not in a rush to go somewhere else, why not stay a little longer.  But that being said I did have a 3 hour date recently and the gentleman said to me 2 hours into it that he was "done" and would I mind leaving because he was tired.

I have heard stories from ladies who host incall and say some men just won't take the hint and leave and I could see that being an issue if there was another man scheduled to visit.  

No one wants to feel as though she is being taken advantage of by being generous with her time and if a man is rude enough not to leave when he's getting hints then I would say it's best to be firm, but polite and say something like, "It was great meeting you, too bad you have to go now." Get up out of bed and hand him his clothes if he's that clueless.

Are  so  quick to  go,,,  

Dropping  of  subtle  hints, like getting  dressed.
most  of  the  time  workes. But even  then I  like to  stay  home  naikd all day.



But  yes  I  have  had a  guy  Stay  2  hours  over (FUCKING THR WHOLE TIME) And  then  he  forgot to  pay. he was a  regular  so  I  thought  he'll  get  me  next  time. Then  the F'er  did  it again. And  now  he  wonders  why I wasn't  returnning  his  calls.
To  Trusting  I  am,  most  would  have  said  something, But  i think  he  got the  clue  when he  asked  for a  reference.

Good manners, mutual consideration are the essence of this business. If I run overtime by less than thirty minutes, so I'm dressed and out the door at T+30 that's within bounds... If I'm still laying there glassy eyed at T+30 a tip is factored in. That depend a lot on the length of the appointment. If it is a one hour I may add another 20-30 %, if it is a three hour maybe an extra $50 as I paid enough for the three already....reminds me of a bumper sticker, "bloodsucking leeches are people too"... sucking on their time is crude like going over to someone's house and helping yourself to their refrigerator

First of all, it is important to establish the ground rules in the beginning.  Read available reviews, check the personal chemistry between you and your provider, and ask how busy she is, as you value her time and her schedule.  Being polite and conscientious pays dividends, and if you have an hour date that lasts 60 minutes....you will find that on other occasions your provider will give you both more time if you value her as a person and not just a roll in the sack.  My rule would be to treat her as you would like to be treated.....then....you can't go wrong, and you both win.

Thirsty, TER Member's & Poster's,

It really depends on the provider as I have had the luck of not seeing a provider who just keeps looking at the clock but have had the luck seeing providers who are not clock watchers or maybe they can not tell time(lol). Here are a few TRUE examples:

A well known local provider stayed for three hours when it was only to be a hour date. Yes, she did recieve a nice tip!!

A well known PSE spent over two hours when I had a one hour date but we really enjoyed each other & I had the luck of her not having any other dates after mine.

Another well known PSE who was in town feature dancing told me when I asked her what her "fee" was for an hour & she told me "as long as we are having fun is how long the date would last along with her one hour fee". Our "date" went on for about four hours as we did not have fun but we had a BLAST!!

Most of my other "dates" went over by about 15 mins. & agency provider you get the unwanted phone call about 5 to 10 mins. before the meter is to runs out which is why I tend to see "Indies".

To sum up your question it really depends on the provider on how long your over stay last but a nice tip is a great way of saying "thank you"!!











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I still have 6 stuffed in my closet!   They overstayed and I had no other place to put them!

If you guys plan on showering after the session, you really should count on that as part of your hour.

T+30 is within bounds??  Give me a fucking break.  T+10 would get you another welcome invitation to my bedroom, if we were really enjoying ourselves and I can see you're a genuinely nice guy.  But T+30, especially without the consideration of a tip, is basically stealing my time away from me, when I undoubtedly have other things to do.  What if I only allowed an hour between you and my next appointment?  An extra half hour would be the difference between a rushed, unfocused provider and one who has taken plenty of time to prepare herself, both physically and mentally, for her next client.

third session. There may be chemistry felt on the first session, but it's best not to push it. If no mutual chemistry on the second session, write it off and don't go back. Now, going beyond the hour is only possible if you session in off-hours and for at least one hour and you are with an independent.  Agencies make sure that the girls have gotten rid of the old client on the dot.

The alternative is seeing a "slam, bang, thank you, ma'am" provider, who scratches your itch, if'n you git my drift. Those I only see for thirty minutes.

... have happened to me, mostly as a result of mulit-hr appts (greater that 5 or 6 hours) going over.

i have NEVER gone to ANY multi-hr appt EXPECTING 'extra time' (more than 15 minutes over a 5 hr appt IS 'extra' and happens when i have not watched the clock)

when it happens, though, WITH her knowledge and consent, it makes for a truly GREAT experience) and of course, repeats.

i repeat, EVERY single 'over time' occasion has happened at HER request/consent.

(i edited a lot of stuff out here, where i reminisced a bit; no, that stuff does NOT belong in this thread ... lol)

some evening multi-hr appts have turned into near all-nighters, even a couple of all-nighters. tips REFUSED on a few occasions, stating it was 'OFF the clock'.

bottom line: it is I who watch the clock more often than not (HATE overstaying my welcome, even 'civvy' wise); i feel it is mean-spirited to take advantage of a provider's generosity. it's OK ONLY if SHE says explicitly that it IS ok.


hobby on!

2 choices.  

1.  Someone who doesn't kick you out when the hour is up.

2.  Someone who doesn't let you know when the hour is up.

I don't wear a watch, and don't really want to keep track of anything during a session, so in scenario 2, I am there, pretty much until I am told time is up.  Mostly because  don't know.

In scenario 1, it's much more of a "depends" kind of thing.  It depends on the vibe I am getting from the girl.  Sometimes I will up and leave right after the session is over.  Sometimes I will hang out and talk as long as she seems to be into that.  Usually, in that case, I'll ask if she needs me to go.

I have had some sessions turn much longer than planned.  One time, in particular, I got to her incall and she asked if I'd like to go to a nearby spa with private jacuzzi rooms (upscale clean kind of place).  I accepted and the 2 hour session (which I had pre-paid) turned into 5.  I didn't tip, but I don't think she expected it, because she is an indy, and I had to lay out a pretty hefty amount for the spa.  We have seen each other since, so she must not have minded.  And it was her idea anyway...

So, anyway, to go back to the main gist of my answer...  It depends.  Whether she is a clock watcher or not, she's gotta be putting off a "stay a while" vibe for me to stay late.

as an angency one of the many reasons all appointments are spaced out as LEAST a half an hour apart is my girls aren't clock watchers,5-15 minutes isacceptable anything over that I feel that someone is trying to take advantage,and should at that point ask if they could extend their time.My 2 cents!
Love,Franky
PS I have also had girls at the end of their shift say Franky do you mind if I sit and chat with this guy for awhile,as long as their honest with me I don't mind.
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A clock watcher.. well a guy who uses that term is BASICALLY A CHEAP PERSON.

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Great guy.

did you try to go more rounds once she woke up in the morning or after your time?

Or did you let her sleep?

Nothing wrong with your post I am just curious how did the night go after your time was up.

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You have some very nice outfits in here...silky lace and mmmmm...better not say any more.....by-the-way
when does our session start?
Thank you

.....I had the power to moderate you.

after the time was up, EVERYTHING has been entirely up to her.

i have chatted, gone out for a drink or two, dancing (once), just cuddled up and gone to sleep (a few times)
talk about 'sleeping with a woman' ... i LOVED these times.
the sex (and yes, there has been sex) was intitiated by the provider on more than one occasion

once, while sleeping (it was a real cozy 'spoon'), i 'woke up'; didnt wake HER up though, sorta turned away. she noticed, smiled through sleepy eyes, went back to cuddling ... in a 'reverse spoon' (she behind me); had wake-up sex (her initiative) that was mmmmmmm good!

to dispel any misconceptions: i am no sexual superman or pittclooney clone by any stretch.



hobby on

....and, "I'm sorry."

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But Megatha, you're such a dear, I could not imagine ever being that tired and wanting you to leave, let alone before his time.

Can I have his third hour?

Your Clueful Hercule

Someone who is a clock-watcher is someone who kicks you out exactly as the hour ends.  It has nothing to do with whether you were willing to pay for more time or how much you tip (if anything at all).

It's a customer service thing.  When I am with someone, I don't want to feel rushed for any part of it.  Not during the act, and not when it's time to leave.  That's just common courtesy and good business in any service industry.

I believe providers should leave enough time between customers so that you can shower both before and after the session, and those don't count against your time.  It doesn't matter if the provider makes her normal rate a little higher to accommodate this.  It's an atmosphere kind of thing.  I also prefer vacations that are all inclusive, rather than having to pay for each and every little thing, even if it's more expensive in the long run.

That really takes nerve. I do believe that clients pick the girls that they want to see but girls cannot pick who they want to see.

Then you get on a board and they post and complain in public.

Clients walk out of apt.'s all the time becasue they don't like a providers appearance but Damm when the woman does not answer her door because someone pretends to be something they are not, all hell breaks loose and they are labeled Racist Bitch!

Or when clients mention the provider is too old. Some of these guys are very old and the providers are more than happy to treat them equal.

What's up with that?

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TO $$$$, yes that is the mighty dollar.I am sure you would not want anyone to violate your rules in the workplace, and yes it is still considered work.

the diff is the client is not being paid hundres of dollars per hour like you are

... but may NOT belong in this thread.

it will get buried under the general conversation pertaining to the issue of going 'over the time'
could you please bring it up as a seperate thread, to merit the attention it deserves?
thanks

So in that respect, it does come down to money.

However, your comment was that people who use the word clock-watcher are cheap.  I disagree.  People who use the word clock-watcher want good customer service, and are willing to pay for it.

Not wanting to pay for a bad experience doesn't make me cheap.  It makes me smart.  I am happy to pay for a good experience, and that means not being rushed.

It is more fun for me and gives me a useful perspective.

Best wishes

Bick

Without actually having seen him, I think your accusation of Waterclone is unfair, and I'm quite sure you couldn't possibly have ever seen him.  

I've seen Waterclone a few times, and I have to say, he is one of those I always look forward to seeing.  I've never had any problems with him overstaying his welcome.  He's never been anything but considerate.  He's also quite a fun time, if I may say so  Add all of that to a sincere desire to please and an open, intelligent mind.  He's a gentleman and I'd see him anytime.

As I wrote in the thread's opening post, I plan to initiate a few threads on topics that I think are worth examining. You are right. I had the topic that you mentioned going on about 6 TER boards at once a year ago and that led to a chat in the National chat room. This is definitely a topic that we should explore at some point.

thirsty

no fucking break you for you missy.... what I meant was that should you both happen to run over because of mutual interest, conversation, erotic energy and all good things then so be it... it can't be a one sided thing... its these hard case know it all attitude up the wazoo self described professionals who think they have a spiffy answer for everything that bore the daylights out of me... after I tried all the approaches the part timers were far and away the best, not the overbooked, emotionally depleted women with two cell phones and the thousand yard stare, the ones that take it easy, see a few guys on the side, have a life, hang out when the feel like hanging out... they got you beat eight ways from tuesday... shoot, sometimes they want to take a walk, have you over for dinner, its a different world...

not to mention his HUGE assets

besides being nice...he has...huh...some serious tool.

handsome, very intelligent, a real pleasure to be with...and he is the very "best" licker around...you would be lucky if he booked you for one of his hours long oral marathons, where YOU (the provider) would be the one being pleased for the most part.

"Missy", eh?  Funny, that's what I call all my girlfriends in real life.  I'll take it as a term of endearment.  

Nice how you lump all of us "pros" into one vast group of over used zombies with no social lives, when I'm sure you haven't seen all of us.  For all you know, you may well have seen me and been surprised that I'm not like the "pros" you describe, despite that this is my only profession.  For I am a pro, yet I have a stellar reputation, and am, by no means, a known clock watcher.  The reason why is because I love sex and I love men.  Period.  I am a "pro", because I just happen to be smart enough to capitalize on something that comes natural to me.

But you bet your ass it pisses me off when some self-entitled jerk thinks it is his right to take up an extra half hour of my time, just because it fits *his* schedule, without any consideration for *my* schedule.  That kind of arrogance pisses me off, whether its in a professional or social setting.  And that is how I read your first post.  Its a sensitive issue for many, as is evidenced by this thread.  But if it is a mutual decision to linger and enjoy the moment - as I have done MANY times - then who's going to complain?

My apologies for misinterpreting your comments.

As for a social life, the last time I toured NYC, I had no more than two to three clients a day, by design.  I spent the rest of my time on personal dates.  Nine of them, to be exact.  If I could afford to do it, I'd just spend a whole week in the city and do nothing but meet new men and have a good time.  Wait.  That's what I do for a living.  

Sigh.  Its good to be female and beautiful.

(and I only have *one* cell phone, thank you very much!)

Now who are you gonna believe.  Some argumentative fool online, or women who have actually seen me.

You know nothing about me, and you post nonsense using an alias.

At least I have the guts to post my opinions under the name that the girls know me by.  I am not hiding anything.

Betty and Kacey.  You guys rock.  

other clients, perhaps soon afterwards, and might have a day job, and surely a personal social life she treasures.

A stated appt, 1-2-15 hours to 3-7 days, is an appt.

When you know someone after several dates (2-5 in my experience), things become more negotiable.

quote:  What about when clients get mad and call us Racist ........ but Damm when the woman does not answer her door because someone pretends to be something they are not, all hell breaks loose and they are labeled Racist Bitch!

...saying, "I'm PoppyLI from TER" without cracking up.

woah woah ..
are you sure you have the 'right steve' in mind?

lol

thanks betty
i DO HOPE to identify myself with that 'other' description

you sure know how to make a guy feel good! (in so many more ways than one!!)