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If this is how you look at prospective clients---

Your quote:
"Yeah it is fucktardia because half you guys don't know how act let alone conduct yourselves in public."

And, you seem have such a low regard for the local men who pay for play.
It also appears to me that you seem to be suffering from a serious case of Misandry.

I am so glad that a significant majority of the women who are in this business love what they do, and it shows.

Well you don't need to be an ass to me.
Thread is NOT about me & did you even see why I would be pissed off on that other unnecessary link you posted?
You made an assumption of me thinking all guys are like that when that wasn't the case at all. When
Some idiot thinks it's OK to put a ladies safety on the spot with no regard I'll say something about it.
I will always check someone on that  because that is not cool!

For the record,  I wasn't even being mean to purple in the first place,
I was stating that ladies can charge what they want to because there are plenty that'll pay it. That's a known fact!
As always IT'S NOT UP TO YOU OR I regardless of if a lady has reviews or not.
I also said that most don't plan on sticking around that long anyway .

You have no point. You're just trying to get attention off your troll friend.
Good day! Xo V.

Your words not mine....

"Yeah it is fucktardia because half you guys don't know how act let alone conduct yourselves in public"

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Shit storm... Yep!!.... but very entertaining..... have too go refill my popcorn bowl real quick(Don't want to miss anything)

Posted By: AlastiNatalie

I am so glad I stayed away from this site yesterday. What a shit storm! I was too busy in the sex dungeon.. meow!


When I first started I was with an agency, I didn't know anything about escorting - online or offline - and was relying on the boss to hook me up with clients. My FIRST client! saw me twice before he told me about TER and that he would help me set up a profile. If he didn't suggest it, I may have figured it out, but it would have been harder to get that first review and then harder to build to where I am.... but it (my 1st review) probably would have still happened that first year.

That gent continued to see my girlfriend, write her review, and write one of us all together! What a helpful guy! He is nice, genuine, and not trying to get anything from me.

So in my experience, this has worked.


I agree that you have placed this in the wrong venue. The ONLY way that this information will be taken in positive light by a provider is when you are sitting next to her on the bed after your session. Don't blindly call ladies and tell them to get a TER profile.... they probably won't listen and follow through, might block your number too! I wouldn't take suggestions from a stranger and he can't write me my first review, so how serious can he really be.


If you see a girl that you like and want to write a review, help her business, etc., ask if she would let you write a review. If she asks, what is that? Then spill the beans! Then she WANTS the info. This will go over very well.


Hope this helps..... Sorry its posting under OmegaZap

xoxox
Natalie Chambers

Lighten up a little! Seriously!

I think a good many of us have forgotten a couple of things
1)  Think carefully about what you have written before you click the Post Message button.  It may make you feel better to vent but as a way of getting your point across, well people are far less likely to listen when you yell at them
2)  Remember that when things go wrong it is far more likely to be an accident of some kind (ignorance, carelessness, failure to think before you post, etc.) than to be malicious so be willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to people (within reason of course) that they weren't deliberately trying to be obnoxious.

Easy gilr! Don't take it personally!!! Really!

They should be made aware. I've told a few about TER and they seem surprised? As I have said, it's a 2-way street or biz...

I have seen a number of providers that I have had a great time with and felt good chemistry. They start out by being friendly, eagar, easy going, etc... In return, I show respect, being gentle, trusting, etc... and we end up both having a fun time. Nothing wrong with that. But some providers need to be aware it goes both way. They can have fun also!

Purp, you have this way of wording things such that, even if we sort of agree with parts of what you say, you say it in a way that is really going to cross people.  Let me cite an example...  I think we all agree in principle with:

As OmegaZap points out, it's not that the Purple one is always 100% wrong in what he says. It's just that whatever rightness there is gets overwhelmed by the arrogant, condescending and abrasive way he says it. That has been demonstrated repeatedly over the past few weeks.

So if it hasn't worked for him, why would anyone think it is going to work for them?

A little civility is always worthwhile.

I was going to let this pass, but after seeing your reply, there's one thing I saw in the original post that made an eyebrow go up:

"I have seen a number of providers that I have had a great time with and felt good chemistry. They start out by being friendly, eagar, easy going, etc... In return, I show respect, being gentle, trusting, etc... "

What raised my eyebrow was the part about "In return, I show respect, being gentle...".  The first thought that popped into my head when I read that was, "So... the respect and gentleness exhibited by hobbyists is dependent somehow on the provider being friendly, eager, easy going etc.?"  Wuuuuh?

I'll bet that is not what the OP intended to say.  (At least, I hope not.)  But that's the way it read.  As for trying to help guys new to the hobby... not the best way to do it, IMO.

Many of you take this Discussion Board WAY TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY!!!!!!! It's just basic comments and thoughts, etc..... If you all get this pissed off, your way too thin skinned!!!! If the Discusssion Board gets you this worked up, perhaps it's time to move on and find something else to do with your time & energy???? GO have a beer, cocktail, a smoke or a joint, or get fucking laid and chill the FUCK OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not sure about some of you idiots, but I have a full-time job where I actually work!!!! Gee's - just FUCKING RELAX!!!!!

So im just going to give my 2 cents in regards to the OP and clear up some misconceptions about the Hobbyist Community..

So, I happen to be a "Newer Provider" aka less than 1 year.. I advertise here and a few other places.
I have been working in the Adult Entertainment Industry for 3+ years as support..
PA, Screener, Scheduler, Verifying, Business and Marketing Development, Online Safety Consult, as well as Screening and Security Consults..
So ive had exposure to a vast demographics and regions in regards to rates, markets, types, etc...
I figured I'd give you an example of what I considered when I chose to start and how I decided to set my rates.. and there were a few factors that went into it...
1) Compared rates of providers who were in my category, Curvy, BBW...
2) Checked major cities and rates of providers in my category compared to Minneapolis,, which by the way is considered a 3rd tier market..
3)I dont want to see more than one client per day, I wanted to stay low volume, so I factored that in when I set my rates.
4) I dont want to be reviewed. For myself, I dont want the intimate details of my encounters put on the internet, its a matter of preference. I believe what goes on between two people in the privacy of an intimate setting is between them. The only thing I think a review board should be used for is to identify con artists, rip offs and potential threats. I fully accepted that because I do not want to be reviewed that I may run into hardships establishing clientele. And I can say confidently, I haven't had that issue.
As a matter of fact, I have had the opportunity to meet some wonderful providers, and have gotten great word of mouth referral clientele because of them.
5) I like the fact that my clientele doesnt know alot about me ahead of time, because I believe it encourages open conversation and getting to know one another, much like how you would anticipate a first date.. I like to take the time, through how I speak and my tone, to have the client warm up to me.
This isnt to be insidious or hide anything, its my preference on how I wish to run my business, and I have my slow weeks and my good weeks, like any of the other lovely ladies.

Now to give my opinion from a marketing and business development consult point of view.
And please understand that this is not to insight an argument or discredit the hobby community.
In the great pie graph of the Adult Entertainment Service Industry, The Hobby community is a small piece of the pie. It may look huge because you are present in it, but when compared on a whole its not that big. There are an have been thousands of high profile ladies who have successful business outside of the hobby and review community, and many that operate UTR. Providers out there, who do not use the boards to attract more business and are at a 6 figure incomes. Review boards are at best 20 or less years old and there are successful women who operated well before the age of the review board process. Just like everything in this world, there are upsides and there downsides.

The Sex Industry does not operate as an apprenticeship program, there is no "having to pay your dues" to get ahead, nor does there have to be a commitment to the hobby community. There are those that fly-by-night and get in and get out and there are those who are in the sex industry to long term.
But our first commitments is not to a community or a hobby, but to our business and how we chose to operate it, whether that be in the hobby community or outside of it.  Our top priority commitment above anything is to ourselves as providers. And there are several who are successful operating outside of it, and ask top dollar for their services.
Provider does not just denote what we do for our clients, but also how we provide for ourselves.
And yes, there are bad apples out there like there are in any industry, but they do not determine my value, nor do my clients..
Only I get to be the one that determines my value...

If you chose to pay it or not is entirely up to you, but I can say confidently that there are quite a few who will and I am very happy with my little piece of this pie...

I hope that didnt come across harshly as it was not meant to..  as it was just my thoughts on the matter.

~Cat xoxo

Ladies or anyone for that matter can charge whatever they want to but giving feedback on their rates is completely acceptable IMO.

Whether companies are selling phones, services, crappy PC software or whatever, simply avoiding them is not always enough.

I've respectfully shared my views with scores of merchants or service providers (RL -- contractors, etc.) and while it hasn't always worked or even been appreciated, many have thanked me.

It's about context, sincerity and transparency. Anyone has the right to say, "I don't negotiate rates." Fine. Point taken.

And I'm not discounting the more veteran providers who have to deal with cheapskate know-it-alls who try to barter, haggle etc when you have for all intents a very mature, professional, successful business offering. Different situation than a new provider who throws a number out there.

If they can get the $, more power to them, period. That said, is it so horrible to wait for the right moment and talk about how they might be more successful? My guess is this is not the approach others have been ranting about and it's probably rare.

Case in point -- I got a massage while traveling. No reviews but no red flags -- seemed very nice we hit it off as much as you can on the phone. Both pleasantly surprised when we met but her approach was terrible -- defensive, mercenary, upselling, etc. I stopped the session and asked what I had done to offend her (nothing), then asked if we could start over -- I swore on my dead golden retriever's grave to continue to be respectful, to enjoy what she felt comfortable offering and hoped that she would relax and just enjoy the evening -- we had a nice room, good music, some drinks and no obligations.

She shared she had several bad experiences and had gotten advice from older jaded providers. I did NOT tell her how to run her business but suggested different approaches she could take -- get on local boards where the hobbyists were for the most part respectful and more generous than the unwashed masses. Screen, screen, screen, even if phone # search or asking on provider boards.

As Cat mentioned very eloquently, assessing similar providers who did outcall, incall, etc. to determine a competitive rate -- nothing wrong with aiming high! She was easily a 7-8 looks but when scared, a 5 at most. When relaxed and focused on making it a positive experience -- wow (and forgive me for using numbers -- they just work as shorthand).

We had a fantastic time and no, I don't mean I gave her 25 orgasms. 22, tops

She thanked me in follow-up texts. To my delight she even went back to school because it was the right thing for her.

Not a white night -- not a know-it-all but I don't see giving advice as so black-and-white. It has to be annoying when idiots tell the veteran ladies how to do it -- I get that.

Granted, the vast majority is haggling thinly disguised as helpful advice but let's keep an open mind.

So to all the ladies -- cut your rates by 90% -- you'll make it up in volume

However, it's hard not to get reviewed? Reviews are good for us hobbyist because we want the best experience for our $$$. And on Backpage, there are so many scammers and fly-by-nights! There is also a lot of competition out there, and the better providers win on the long run... Best wishes Curvy.

Thanks for sharing that, it helps us understand why a provider wouldn't want reviews.  I know another provider who doesn't want reviews, and her reasons parallel yours:  wants to be low volume (it's a side-line to her "day" job), and she doesn't want all the details of her sessions public because, well, "YMMV" and some reviews can set unrealistic expectations with new clients.  Other reasons for not wanting reviews is to keep a lower profile, LE wise, and to avoid bad reviews... not the kind that give her a low rating--she does have some reviews, and they are all very positive--but the kind that go into fine detail about things that she believes should be kept between provider & client, or, worse--the reviews that are fabrications.