Ive been looking thrue Backpage and almost every girl is 80$ is this because more guys are willing to see someone for 80 bucks or maybe they are not getting much buisness, fake pics, bad service?

My thoughts are that most of the girls that do charge 80 are fake and using someone else pictures But I feel for a provider at a high price that im at would get looked pass because of these young ladys with Very low prices....

So basically my question is:

Would guys rather see a girl with fake pics
[and im pretty sure bad service]
because of the good price or see a Girl with real pics and Great service but have to come out the pocket a little more?

Just a thought tell me what ya think Ladys can join in if you also have a different thought or maybe want to also voice your oppinion

I prefer to pay a little more to get better service and to actually see the girl in the ad.  I usually do not see anyone until there is a review by a trusted reviewer saying she is legit.

When you phrase it that way, most will choose the higher quality girl.  The thing is until someone sees the low priced girl and reports back (assuming they know about TER and are active on it) then no one knows how good or bad the girl is.  There is always going to be some guys looking for the diamond in the rough; I've heard some guys say that half the fun for them is the thrill of the hunt of trying to find the real deal amidst all the fakes.

Interesting question but most girls on BP don't charge $80 (most charge more).  The longer I'm in the hobby the more likely I am to discern the really fake pictures from those that are possible.  Face it, someone givin' it up for $80 isn't going to spend thousands for great shots.

So it comes down to what price point do I want to play at and what do I expect.  A few years ago when I could go for round two I would like to go for an hour or so.  Now, I'm pretty well satisfied with a half hour session.  Couple that with a bout of unemployment, increased costs (food, medicine, insurance, etc), decreased pay,  and an uncertain labor market and I'm looking for value.  So finding a value provider who is either new to the business and in need of some training or a mature provider (closer to my age) who can no longer command the rate she could when younger is what I seek.  In this market that's between $100 and $150 for a half hour and no more than $225 for an hour.  There are a lot of very decent providers in that range, and some very nice ladies who are fun and just inexpensive (Nikki @ $65/hh for example).  Ok, so sometimes I have to wait for specials (Ana and Maya come to mind and they are fantastic), or have infrequent service oddities (no names), but I'm still able to have my fun on a frequent basis with some fantastic ladies.  I use to play with the $300/hr girls and sometimes still do (say once or twice a year) but it's more fun to find the up and coming talent.  It's even better to find a young provider who is genuinely interested in improving their game who will grandfather me in at the old rate while they increase their rate (he, he, he).  I see a couple of ladies on a regular basis who give great service, have an expansive menu, and are very reasonably priced.

Looking at your web site and reviews, you're quite attractive, have decent reviews, and a reasonable menu but nothing that screems top drawer.  I can obtain similar levels of looks and service for $100 less that your 1/2h or 1h rates.  So when I look at your site I have to ask myself what is unique about you? what sets you apart from the competition? Why should I see you?  I have a good 1/2 dozen or so ladies I can see with great service and looks who are less expensive.  I'm not trying to give you a hard time and I do wish you well.  I do thank you for the question.

Don't take this wrong because you are obviously a beautiful young woman.  But in this economy and location you are expecting 5-star fees WITHOUT providing a 5-star menu.  You have probably already seen many of the impulsive hobbyists, but now it gets tougher.

I'd recommend that you go from your current 4-star menu to a true 5-star and you will be around for a long time and you'll be able to get your $$$/hr.

It's the only thing that's held me back.

Just my .02

I agree with the last two comments. We don't like to offend you gals however, with the tough economy it comes down to how we evaluate you in comparison to other providers. You are gorgeous but does the service match?

I don't believe changing your pic will make a difference. I would look at your reviews and take them to heart. You are probably not going to be able to please everyone but you possibly tweak your service just like the two previous chaps suggested and get what you are looking for.

I'll pay more for more, but only after a provider has has been well reviewed.

There are plenty of women on BP or CL that charge $80 to $120, and provide great service. The service is good, or at least on par with many of the $250 providers.  Of course, there Are a few duds as well, but for quite a while I have really only tried to see those less expensive women.  Frankly, I can hobby two or three times as much as the men who only see the  more expensive providers.  If you read the reviews there are a few expensive providers who don;t provide much service, but lots of guys think that if they pay more, it must be good and refuse to face reality.  

Often the really good providers in the cheaper price range aren't reviewed, because they don't have a name on their BP ad, or their ad changes before TER can verify.  TER won't allow a review unless the ad has the providers name.  But, none the less there are some women well worth the price of admission.  

And, the other benefit is that these women don't really require all the "reference hupla" that some of the more expensive women require. I can't imagine going to the trouble of giving someone my name, addres, work information, two or three references, and then waiting several days for some confirmation, when I can just pick up the phone and easily spend time with my pick of  beautiful young woman.

I am sure there are many  white knights who will defend right of some of the women here to charge $300-$400.  And, that is fine.  But, Frankly the same services are likely to be had for a third the price. It just takes some shopping.  

I have thought about seeing someone like Kristin. She is very hot, and apparently gives good service.  But, everytime I think about making the call, I look through backpage and see some other hottie, that only charges $100.  A couple of hours later, the deed it done, and I absolutely feel like I got my money's worth.  

Personally I want what I see in the pictures to be the woman that opens the door. I use many of the available sites to verify that what I expect is going to actually come to fruition, with this I understand that in most cases I will have to dig a little deeper into my pocket.
I think the bottom line here is we all have different expectations, or desires that we want to achieve from this hobby.

all very well put.  Most with the aid of TER can discern between fake n real ads and non reviewed ladies, If they are seing any unprovenm or un reviewed ladies...IMHO they deserve what they get.

As far as you in particular, as mentioned above..youhave a 5 star rate but 4 star menu, yes youhave a smoking hot body but your youthfulness and inexperience shows.  A smokling hot hard body only goes so far and then the performance factor wins over the looks factor.

I am sure many would agree they would go for a higher performance factor over a higher looks factor if one had trio be chosen.

it comes down to the value received for the value paid

I agree with some of the things others have said here in response to your question.  I, too have seen your ads, and would love to spend time with you.

I do not consider myself a "hobbyist".  I am on a budget, being 25 with a crap job and going paycheck to paycheck, so my checking account might be happier, but you ladies work hard.  And I could never provide less to you for anything you could provide to me.

I've only seen two providers.  I wasn't aware of TER prior to meeting the first one.  She gave me a bit of a break, as did the second girl, who had decent, but not stunning, reviews.

I like for an ad (like the actual ad ON BP or CL) to state the price.  This to me is a first indication of honesty on the provider's part.  There are a few reasons though that this can't be done, and that's where TER comes in.

If a girl's not on here, no matter what the price, it's a no-go.  Last summer when I REALLY started to look at ads and seriously entertain the notion of spending time and money, I came across "Brittany", a skinny blond in pink (and no top in a couple pix), and "Ryan", another blond, in blue.  I was devastated when I couldn't find anything on them on TER.

Would I rather pay less?  Maybe.  I spoke before of breaks given to me.  I don't really like them...with the girl I'm seeing on Tuesday, SHE offered a break that I just can't accept.  Unless I really deserve a break, I won't take one.  

For girls charging $80, I sort of feel that they are, if you will pardon the words, selling themselves short.  That is of course if they DO indeed turn out to be the actual girl in the picture, and are attractive to boot.  If they weren't that girl, I might leave the session saying, "Boy am I glad that was only $80."

I hope that helped and that it made sense.  

I have found my preference to be a hot and heavy 1/2 hour session with young ladies around Kristen's age.  I'm not gonna get off a second pop in an hour anyway so why do I want to pay for an hour and only last a half hour? And I always prefer a half hour with a lady I've never seen since I don't know how it will go.

I also prefer to have a return-customer relationship with ladies I know.  That is why I did more hobbying in 2009 than ever before but do not have recent reviews.  I have learned the benefit of finding some good ladies and going back to them rather than spending experimentation-money.

In today's economy I can have a good time for 100-150 for the 1/2.  Kristen, if you were at 150 for the half I would have already seen you and maybe become a regular customer.  Unfortunately, your price is headed in the wrong direction considering your menu limits and my desire to hobby more frequently.

I have always wondered why ladies were not more interested in seeing guys regularly at a lower price rather than once-and-done at a higher price.  Just seems like good business to have trusted guys see you once or twice a month rather than getting the higher price and never seeing them repeat.

my $0.02
snoopin

Obviously.

Low $ is not necessarily indicative of such things. I can't say I've ever had an $80 hook-up, but I've certainly had plenty of fun with girls below the $300 standard, and in some cases more.

Frankly, some of the higher priced ones are so damn concerned with their rep it all gets a little too fake for me.

All I want to state that I was asking a simple question I was not refering to me Not getting any clients because I am doing very well since you would Like to know!!! I just wanted to see if people were thinking the same thing I was or maybe had a different oppinion on the matter...In that case please dont involve me in your reply post talk about The hobby and what you feel about the subject
THANKS
    Kristin

p.s Maybe I stated the Question wrong

"I have always wondered why ladies were not more interested in seeing guys regularly at a lower price rather than once-and-done at a higher price."

UMMM...Because it is their pussy and nobody wants to wear it out just because you think they should fuck at a lower price.

OK, with that kind of attitude I'll just remove you from my 'to see' list.  I was simply making a recommendation.  And it appears I'm not the only one doing so here.  You can take it for what it's worth.

There are a lot of providers out there without your attitude, have a better menu and most likely are a much better value.

First of all, let me say I'm not talking about cheap, but rather, reasonable prices and an ongoing relationship.

If a lady is looking at this from the business standpoint, do they want to set their price so high that the guy sees them once and goes home thinking, "that was a nice time, but pricey for that menu" and not call back?  Or would they rather set a more reasonable rate and see that guy regularly?

A lot of the ladies I have talked to are in no real danger of "wearing it out."  From what I hear the problem is the opposite... filling the schedule in a tight economy.

And I think there's another advantage to the lady.  Every time she sees a guy for the first time, she is accepting a certain amount of risk.  Maybe not even a LE risk, but a "how will this guy treat me?" risk.  If she meets someone who is a gentleman and who treats her kindly, it seems to me she would rather fill the schedule with returnees like that who she knows and trusts.

For the ladies who want to set their price above the current market, I offer them my best wishes and I hope they have a back-up plan if the economy goes south.

First off, 80 bucks is NOT the norm for BP or CL unless you are in the massage body rub section.

You are correct, there are a ton of fake pics, and probaby 50% of those are attached to scams, website girls.

I think the preception may be the biggest issue here.

For the 80-150 price range, you will often be getting a body rub HE if it is for an hour.  Otherwise is is usually a one and done scenario which last way less than an hour but gets the job done, if you know what I mean.

As for your questions;

"Would guys rather see a girl with fake pics"  Thats rediculous to even suggest, nobody wants to deal with that(but it does happen)

"[and im pretty sure bad service]" if it is a body rub HE and thats what a guy is looking for it would not be bad service right?

because of the good price or see a Girl with real pics and Great service but have to come out the pocket a little more?  The lower price is often associated with get 'er done mentality, not a social call or GFE.  The higher price is more adept to being a pay for the hour social call or as many pops as one might muster.  Apples and organges kind of.

That being said there are those diamonds in the rough that do a fabulous session for 80-100 just because they are new and building clientele and some VERY well respected and reviewed ladies in the 150-200/hr range.  That is their comfort level.  

And then those between 200-350/ hr at their comfort level.  There are also those ladies that charge 500-800/hr.  Would it be fair for those ladies that charge 500-800/hr to say that they offer a better service than ladies that charge less or that the lesser prices in the mid range give mid range services?  I don't think you would buy that for a second, that you give a mid range service for your mid range price.

The reality, guys pay 5-800/hr because they can or 2-350/hr and some pay 80-150.  No different than a person that will pay 20 bucks for a pair of jeans that do the same as a 150 dollar pair.  Sometimes it is just to brag about what you spent or show off with whom you spent time with.

My long winded .02 worth.

I despise false advertising, i.e. fake pics, etc.  I would much rather visit the "woman in the pics" and pay more for great service and a great time.

On the topic of a "rate break" for repeating clients, I would like to see it since I am more prone to visit a single provider on a very regular basis (if everything clicks) vs only visiting her once.  If the provider doesn't want to give a break, it's her choice.  The ultimate decision comes down to me making determining how often to visit.

Kristin, I do have plans on giving you a call in the near future.

There are guys that want the cheapest thing they can find.  (These types of guys are more likely to shop on Backpage or CL.)

There are guys that want to pay more for a more predictable (stable & reviewed), more professional escort service.  (These types of guys are more likely to shop on TER.)

I market myself as a "higher quality, professional, and safe" escort... with great reviews.  Of course, I actually get more interest from "TER clients" than I get from the same type of ads that I run on Backpage.  

Reasons why clients will be in Backpage, looking for an escort?  There are some "Backpage clients," who are just new, and they eventually will choose to screen out riff-raff through TER, if they ever figure out how that works, or if they ever hear of TER, at all.  OR..., those guys will end up never trying to see an escort ever again because they will get burned badly by con artists on CL/Backpage.  OR...,  they will stay on Backpage/CL because they just like it that way.  (I know, it sounds really weird, but there are guys that like a bargain, and there are guys that don't mind the risk factor of Backpage/CL.)  There are also clients that fetishize "new girls," and they maintain a sharp focus on Backpage/CL.

If a guy is on the MN TER discussion board, he is most likely the type of guy who uses TER reviews to "shop around."

That's a pretty sarcastic and s cynical question. A good ATTITUDE  is an important quality for a provider to have in this business and being deceitful, for example, by using fake pics or  an alais on a disscussion board to improve their image etc, will usually eventually "bite the provider in the butt".

Another thing about "what you get for $80" - not all $80 girls are rip off's.  A lot of the FBSM girls charge low rates because they are just doing body rubs.  You can't charge GFE rates for FBSM, you know?  I don't think that is inherently trashy/shady, though.

Obviously, the nobody is going to break it down on the ad, telling you exactly what you get for $80, though...

The going rate for FBSM in NYC is maybe around $200, but if you saw that on a GFE provider's ad, you'd probably start wondering what is wrong with her (or her service.)

DiscreetFun82, I see your pretty new to the discussion board and I just wanted to welcome you to TER.

Off your to do list alright but you still read what I feel about the situation and u decided to use my question against me telling me how im not unique and im way to high priced..Well if thats the case your rude and Maybe seeing me wouldnt work out in either of our interest but..Let me restate the question like this

What do guys prefer High class girls or Cheap girls...

Thats all I was refering to Maybe I phrased it wrong my apologies I was not stating that all girls going for 80 dollars are a rip off thats why I asked for feedback I just dont see the point in it if these super pretty petite girls in the pictures are going for 80 they are short changing themself maybe there service is good but from what my clients tell me they would rather have a high class girl because what you guys are stating is not always the case for every gentelman that trys to get a break and go see a cheap girl most leave wishing they had saved there pennys and waited to see a high class girl or atleast the girl in the pics as for what everyone keeps saying on this post I never stated that Maybe my prices where to high I just wanted to know if maybe I get looked past because of the high price

And for anyone refering to me as not an open enough menu and wrong pricing I feel for my saftey that if you want to see me that bad you can push your PENNYS together and one day get enough to have the ride of your life with MS KRISTIN  I was not getting an attitude just stating facts and thoughts that hopped in my mind

Thanks to the people who didnt try to put me down in this post and for those who Best wishes To Ya!!!

If you look at the South Flordia Markets, You'll regularly get a fabulous 1 hour full GFE session with a super hottie for under $200 as a VIP Reviewer.   And at those rates, the girls are a dime a dozen.   That's why a lot of the FL girls like to tour.   They come here and make so much more, even with all of their costs to cum here.

when are we all going to get that into our thick heads!   sometimes, it has to do with our menu (a girl with a fuller menu can command a higher donation and TER score, too, while we are at it). In turn,  a higher scoring gal can command a higher donation (gee, talk about full circle, huh?).   In some cases, a younger hotter thinner bodied girl (not in ALL cases, so no lectures  please) can command a higher donation.  Sometimes it depends on demographics and your local market.

It has little to nothing to do with class, personal value or worth as a human being!!!

I charge what I do because I get 5x as many dates at $150/hr as I did at $200/hr + I have 2 BBW providers within 10 miles of me charging $80/hr and $40/hh.  

I feel I am a classy woman.  I am beautiful. I do have a limited menu hence the middle or average scores.  I have plenty of men that come to see me.  Young, middle age, old...they enjoy my company and see my worth as a woman and as a human being.  I have had men score me higher and TER lowered the score based on my menu.  I can't score higher.  So be it.  I am worthy just the same.  

I am tired of being considered classless and trashy just because I charge $150 and not $250 or $300. And, yes, TODAY I am taking the comments personal....in a few days, I probably wouldn't have!!

The classy,
Belinda.  Thank you very much!

My apologies ahead of time if I have offended anyone!!!!

I bet "pre-recession," the GFE providers probably were charging more than $200/hour in South Florida.

I don't think it's fair to say that the South Florida market is always like that.  South Florida provider rates took a nose dive, after the recession started.

The poor clients down there have lost their homes & the unemployment down there is at an extremely high rate.  I bet those guys don't really think $200 is that "cheap" for them, right now.  I don't know what the going rate for FBSM is (in South Florida) right now, but I'm sure it's less than the going GFE rate is (in South Florida) right now...  That was my point, that FBSM is always cheaper than GFE.

Well said....

"If a lady is looking at this from the business standpoint, do they want to set their price so high that the guy sees them once and goes home thinking, "that was a nice time, but pricey for that menu" and not call back?  Or would they rather set a more reasonable rate and see that guy regularly?"

No and here is why…

If a lady is looking at this from a business standpoint, she will price herself to fit her personal needs and according to what the market will bear. Then, she will learn how to have an excellent girlfriend experience that makes her clients want to repeat. For some men, money is not an issue. They are not concerned so much with reasonable prices, rather a superb time with a lovely lady. Remember, there is business at every price level and many of the men who were able to afford $300/hr before the recession can still afford those rates now.

The ladies shouldn't sell themselves short just because they think that is the only way to get business. It simply isn't true. I recall months ago when I enforced a temporary 90-minute minimum to slow down the calls for personal reasons. I was warned on this TER MN board that I was pricing myself too high. I still got calls and had to turn some gentlemen away.

Also, I agree with DiscreetFun that some ladies just don't want to be in a position in which they have to be higher volume to make the same money they could make if they charged a little more. And, yes some ladies do wear out at all price points.

Further, in my experience, the economy is only getting better. And if a lady starts to fill a crunch, she can take that same fee to other cities across the country and be welcomed graciously. Chicago is only an hour flight away.

With all that said, there is so much competition out there that if a lady does want to charge above the current market, she must come with her A-game. To be frank, there are ladies who are giving it away for almost free with multiple pops, etc. I don't see a lady with a narrow menu doing as well as she could if she were a little more open-minded. Now, I believe that ladies should do what makes them feel most comfortable, as it is their body.

Those are just my two cents. I hope that helps.

I am looking forward to coming home Sunday. Miss you guys.

Xoxo,
Giamarie

Agree completely with snoopin4fun

I think everyone charges what they are comfortable with and what they feel is fair, whatever that is; $50. or $500.

There is absolutely no correlation between donations and class, in my book anyway.

I don't understand *why* anyone would be under the impression I am selling myself short just because I don't charge $300.00/hour?

"The ladies shouldn't sell themselves short just because they think that is the only way to get business. It simply isn't true."

Read my July blog.  Then you'll know why I lowered my donation.

Can we all just charge what we want and play together nicely?

Hugs,
D.

I meant selling herself short, if that is what she wants to charge.

I think people should charge what they want, but I do not think ladies should charge less than what they think their time is worth just because a few guys on the board think they should.

I agree, rates have no correlation with class. I didn't say that and you will never hear me say such a thing. I hang out with some ladies in the hobby that have fees that are less than $300/hr. I feel they are classy or I would not have them as friends. I am not judging anyone here, just to be clear. And in no way am I implying higher rates means better anything. I don’t come from that type of upbringing to be snubbing my nose at anyone. Please. Not my style. But I do get tired of the posters telling these new ladies they must charge lower prices to survive in the hobby. It is our bodies and we should price them at whatever rate we want without the comments of some. Doing so, in my mind, would be selling oneself short. I hope that makes more sense.

Hugs Delilah.

Xoxo.

"If a lady is looking at this from a business standpoint, she will price herself to fit her personal needs and according to what the market will bear. Then, she will learn how to have an excellent girlfriend experience that makes her clients want to repeat."

Very true but I think that is not so very different from what snoopin was saying because the lady who does what you say is much more likely to convince the guy that her rate is reasonable and he will see her more often.

I missed that, but it wouldn't be the first time that speed reading hasn't worked for me.

Xoxo.

The problem I see with what you said about posters is those guys are also clients.  Now, I know some of them just love to bitch and moan about prices (and lots of other stuff) but price is very relevant nonetheless because this is a business, right?  If the service she provides doesn't match up well with the price she is asking compared to similar escorts then her business will suffer.  If she is new and unknown then she starts out at a disadvantage compared to established escorts.  This is a very difficult time economically and while it is true that many men have not been affected, many have or are worried they will be.

If a lady is not getting the level of calls she wants then she has a variety of tactics she can use to try and fix that, one of which is lowering her rate.  Not the only tactic of course, but something to consider along with the others.

I agree an escort shouldn't lower her rate just because some us say she should.  I think she should do so because she has considered her situation and has decided that is what will work best for her.  If she decides improving her level of service is the way to go then she should do that.  If it is some other idea or combination of ideas then that's the way to go.  Her choice.  But listening to what the guys have to say won't hurt.  After all, she can always decide we are full of it!

I know you didn't say anything about class, that was just my .02 on the subject.

I think the guys are giving their opinions to the girls.  Frankly, I agree with them.  If you want to charge a high price, you should have a five star menu with all the trimmings to back it up.  

I think that's what they are saying. They aren't telling the girls what to charge. Even if, it doesn't mean the girls would have to do it.

The economy is getting a little better, although unemployment is still high.  Granted not all hobbiests were hit, but you have to admit, most were.  

A lot of girls ran specials.  Some lowered their donation.  Some added extra time.  A lot of us did this to help the guys out, it's "not the only way to get business."

But anyway...

Hugs back Gia,
D.

I just get so PO'd when I hear rates and class in the same dang sentence when, in fact, one has nothing to do with the other!  

So, I thank you both!  

Big hugs!  Belinda

And to the gents who "get it"...hugs to you too!