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1) Who are you?
2) There are provider only boards where you can express your discontent
3) You do realize that most of the readers of this board are potential clients, right?  Going off like that, even if we might well agree with you if we knew the details, is a good way to make guys decide to see someone else.

If you believe this review was flat out wrong, you can take it up with TER directly.  You can submit a problem report on the review or use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page and find the best link to use.

DevaDivine2779 reads

Please excuse my French, but there is no other way to put it! Hobbyist can post a bogus review on line about a provider but we can't fire back directly and that is some bullshit! I have read my reviews on TER and that's why I am here right now. First off, there was a lot of incorrect information given...(1) I am 35 yo and not between the age of 36-40 (2) I am a thick woman but I have no "flab". I work out several times a week to prevent it (3) I don't have any tatoos! I am scared to death of needles, and (4) My breast do not "droop"! I hit the weights too hard for that to EVER happen.
I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it is obvious that some beholders are frickin' blind! No one has said anything totally horrible about me, but I've seen the lies they have told on other providers and it's wrong, unfair, and inaccurate!
Also, not to toot my own horn, but "honk, honk": a massage by me is out of this world and like nothing you've ever experienced and that's a promise. I'm not saying that I am better than anyone, but I am different from everyone! I have my own way of doing hor towels, Body-2-Body, and several other tricks that won't be found anywhere else. Bite me to whoever says differently because you obviously have never been here!
Also, bite me to the guy that says that I "expect you to like being dominated". I don't do domination, but I do have a dominating personality and I love it. I know just what to do to give you the perfect erotic massage and if you can't take a little instruction so that I accomplish this main goal, then oh frickin' well. I know what I want and how things should be done and they should be done my way but not because I'm bossy, but because I am experienced. If a client dislikes something (which has never happened) I want and encourage him to speak on it!
My point in all of this is to say that we providers should have a website that lists all the names and numbers of bullshit and rip-off clients so that we too can judge! How about that!?

Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe there is a providers only board.

*sighs* there's also a members only board for reviewers. She clearly means something much more visible for BOTH sides to see without special permissions darling.

Posted By: hardyharhar
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe there is a providers only board.

DevaDivine1048 reads

So what's your point?

Posted By: hardyharhar
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe there is a providers only board.

thehills1521 reads

"Flab" can mean different things. If you describe yourself as "thick," then chances are some guys may think there's some flab in the thighs, arms, etc. Queen Latifah is thick, and some would also call her flabby.

If you're in a customer service industry, you should expect criticism/critiques. It doesn't excuse the lies about you, but if you say your services are "out of this world," that may mean a different level of experience to some.

And I think there are sites where providers can list numbers of bad hobbyists.

Posted By: DevaDivine
Please excuse my French, but there is no other way to put it! Hobbyist can post a bogus review on line about a provider but we can't fire back directly and that is some bullshit! I have read my reviews on TER and that's why I am here right now. First off, there was a lot of incorrect information given...(1) I am 35 yo and not between the age of 36-40 (2) I am a thick woman but I have no "flab". I work out several times a week to prevent it (3) I don't have any tatoos! I am scared to death of needles, and (4) My breast do not "droop"! I hit the weights too hard for that to EVER happen.
I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it is obvious that some beholders are frickin' blind! No one has said anything totally horrible about me, but I've seen the lies they have told on other providers and it's wrong, unfair, and inaccurate!
Also, not to toot my own horn, but "honk, honk": a massage by me is out of this world and like nothing you've ever experienced and that's a promise. I'm not saying that I am better than anyone, but I am different from everyone! I have my own way of doing hor towels, Body-2-Body, and several other tricks that won't be found anywhere else. Bite me to whoever says differently because you obviously have never been here!
Also, bite me to the guy that says that I "expect you to like being dominated". I don't do domination, but I do have a dominating personality and I love it. I know just what to do to give you the perfect erotic massage and if you can't take a little instruction so that I accomplish this main goal, then oh frickin' well. I know what I want and how things should be done and they should be done my way but not because I'm bossy, but because I am experienced. If a client dislikes something (which has never happened) I want and encourage him to speak on it!
My point in all of this is to say that we providers should have a website that lists all the names and numbers of bullshit and rip-off clients so that we too can judge! How about that!?

Posted By: DevaDivine
Please excuse my French, but there is no other way to put it! Hobbyist can post a bogus review on line about a provider but we can't fire back directly and that is some bullshit! I have read my reviews on TER and that's why I am here right now. First off, there was a lot of incorrect information given...(1) I am 35 yo and not between the age of 36-40 (2) I am a thick woman but I have no "flab". I work out several times a week to prevent it (3) I don't have any tatoos! I am scared to death of needles, and (4) My breast do not "droop"! I hit the weights too hard for that to EVER happen.
I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it is obvious that some beholders are frickin' blind! No one has said anything totally horrible about me, but I've seen the lies they have told on other providers and it's wrong, unfair, and inaccurate!
Also, not to toot my own horn, but "honk, honk": a massage by me is out of this world and like nothing you've ever experienced and that's a promise. I'm not saying that I am better than anyone, but I am different from everyone! I have my own way of doing hor towels, Body-2-Body, and several other tricks that won't be found anywhere else. Bite me to whoever says differently because you obviously have never been here!
Also, bite me to the guy that says that I "expect you to like being dominated". I don't do domination, but I do have a dominating personality and I love it. I know just what to do to give you the perfect erotic massage and if you can't take a little instruction so that I accomplish this main goal, then oh frickin' well. I know what I want and how things should be done and they should be done my way but not because I'm bossy, but because I am experienced. If a client dislikes something (which has never happened) I want and encourage him to speak on it!
My point in all of this is to say that we providers should have a website that lists all the names and numbers of bullshit and rip-off clients so that we too can judge! How about that!?

DevaDivine1119 reads

No sweat. Good or bad reviews, business is great and I stay busy. I don't think the negative people realize how much they actually help. Thank you all so much, and a tip of the hat to you too!

Fit-To-Fuck1691 reads

The staff at CL misses you so ;)

Do tell us your gravity defying techniques in 100 words or less please.

Honk honk.

Her older posts on back page were epic.  They were generally of dissertation length scolding hobbyist for asking typical questions.  It was a serious turn off.  Very few providers could get away with such a tirade and still attract customers.  I think she looked ok.. But I like a woman with a sweet personality.  I can't do the Diva thing...

DevaDivine1169 reads

Then don't do the Diva thing if it isn't you, sweetie. You don't sound like my type either; I prefer men!

DevaDivine1845 reads

Nah, not enough time. Thanks for the glorious opprotunity tho. Holla.

Posted By: DevaDivine
Please excuse my French, but there is no other way to put it! Hobbyist can post a bogus review on line about a provider but we can't fire back directly and that is some bullshit! I have read my reviews on TER and that's why I am here right now. First off, there was a lot of incorrect information given...(1) I am 35 yo and not between the age of 36-40 (2) I am a thick woman but I have no "flab". I work out several times a week to prevent it (3) I don't have any tatoos! I am scared to death of needles, and (4) My breast do not "droop"! I hit the weights too hard for that to EVER happen.
I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it is obvious that some beholders are frickin' blind! No one has said anything totally horrible about me, but I've seen the lies they have told on other providers and it's wrong, unfair, and inaccurate!
Also, not to toot my own horn, but "honk, honk": a massage by me is out of this world and like nothing you've ever experienced and that's a promise. I'm not saying that I am better than anyone, but I am different from everyone! I have my own way of doing hor towels, Body-2-Body, and several other tricks that won't be found anywhere else. Bite me to whoever says differently because you obviously have never been here!
Also, bite me to the guy that says that I "expect you to like being dominated". I don't do domination, but I do have a dominating personality and I love it. I know just what to do to give you the perfect erotic massage and if you can't take a little instruction so that I accomplish this main goal, then oh frickin' well. I know what I want and how things should be done and they should be done my way but not because I'm bossy, but because I am experienced. If a client dislikes something (which has never happened) I want and encourage him to speak on it!
My point in all of this is to say that we providers should have a website that lists all the names and numbers of bullshit and rip-off clients so that we too can judge! How about that!?

1) Who are you?
2) There are provider only boards where you can express your discontent
3) You do realize that most of the readers of this board are potential clients, right?  Going off like that, even if we might well agree with you if we knew the details, is a good way to make guys decide to see someone else.

If you believe this review was flat out wrong, you can take it up with TER directly.  You can submit a problem report on the review or use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page and find the best link to use.

Someone "Annoyed the diva " :p

If you don't like what people write about you here then delist yourself
rather than coming here and complaining about someones opinion. Check your ego.

In my opinion,  you offer nothing superior other than bitching on here .

DevaDivine1277 reads

Who gives a shit what you think? Don't read the post if I annoy you so much. Personally, I think it's just a conversation that's above your understanding anyway so move along.

DevaDivine751 reads

I am typing; I am not yelling. So I get a little passionate sometimes...oh well. And of course I realize who reads these boards. Duh! Let me do me and you do you. Peace.

Ive seen the ads
Too Long,  intimidating & pretty much putting down others
before they even get a chance to call you.

FYI there ARE sites to report bad clients but
you can't go and just post their info because they called you flabby or domineering & told others via TER.

Bossy, bitchy women are simply UN attractive to men in the civvie world also for the hobby unless its BDSM.
Avg hobbyists see providers to get away from that
None of us want to pay for a " wife experience " .


What you've just written makes absolutely NO sense to me.
saying :
I know what I want & how things should be done " (dominant)  
" if I do something they don't like I want them to speak up on it "(empathizing & compromise )
just about conflicts itself right?

If I want hot towels etc body 2 body/ an .actual massage by a sexy lady
there's better skilled & with nicer attitude out there .
You're not the only lady around here.

Not bashing  Just sayin'

DevaDivine1449 reads

If you don't like me then that's fine with me too. I don't know you and I won't miss you either. Who told you it was okay to come out of the closet anyway? Get your butt back in there and stay in the dark where you belong, buddy!



The ironic part of this entire thread is that if this same  complaint was posted by one of the more popular providers on this site, the guys now skewering the Diva, would be rushing to aid and gushing all over the more popular provider.

They would be telling her how great she is and shaming anyone who dare utter an unkind word.  But, since the Diva isn't in the popular click, she gets criticized for something the same thing I have heard many times on this board.  

For proper disclosure on my involvement, I don't know the Diva, I have never spoken to the Diva, I have never seen the Diva, I am not now, nor will I probably ever be, a client, So I am not acting as her white knight or making any claim as to the good or bad of her services or attitude.   I am just pointing out the difference in attitude some of the men have here, when it comes to providers complaining about reviews.  

If this was posted by any person, popular or not (I didn't know there were popularity contests, I must have missed that event), I doubt that any empathy would be felt or sympathy dished out.  It was written with an angry tone, plain and simple.  

Yes, Ms. Diva just needs to learn how to communicate more effectively.  

One thing, though....for her to claim that her services are different from everyone's, she would have to know how everyone else operates, and I doubt that everything she does is unique.  Yes, we are all different, but not all that unique.  I'm just saying....

So, maybe in the future, when she has a complaint, she will handle it with a bit more taste...or maybe not.  We shall see.


Posted By: RealP4U


The ironic part of this entire thread is that if this same  complaint was posted by one of the more popular providers on this site, the guys now skewering the Diva, would be rushing to aid and gushing all over the more popular provider.

They would be telling her how great she is and shaming anyone who dare utter an unkind word.  But, since the Diva isn't in the popular click, she gets criticized for something the same thing I have heard many times on this board.  

For proper disclosure on my involvement, I don't know the Diva, I have never spoken to the Diva, I have never seen the Diva, I am not now, nor will I probably ever be, a client, So I am not acting as her white knight or making any claim as to the good or bad of her services or attitude.   I am just pointing out the difference in attitude some of the men have here, when it comes to providers complaining about reviews.  

DevaDivine1113 reads

I communicate just fine. Watch this...BITE ME!!!

I don't think providers should come here complaining at all really unless its a 100% total BS review.
Aside from the "flabby,  droopy comments. after reading ads over the years &
now seeing how they act on a public forum proves true with the attitude description .

I think It just causes unnecessary drama.
Years ago I know there was a provider that complained of the review a hobbyist gave her because she was stopping & brushing her hair during the whole session and attempted to have him kicked of of ladies white lists via back channel .

Like i said and I think someone else said it too, How hard us it to submit a problem report
or just delist yourself if you don't want anyone writing about you?

Hobbyists know where to find the true gems even if they're UTR anyway .
No one is perfect.
PS I don't think she's flabby.

DevaDivine1060 reads

Thanks...I think. Damn, now I see what happens when you actually come up with a good topic to discuss. I've been busy and away for far too long!

Posted By: RealP4U


The ironic part of this entire thread is that if this same  complaint was posted by one of the more popular providers on this site, the guys now skewering the Diva, would be rushing to aid and gushing all over the more popular provider.

They would be telling her how great she is and shaming anyone who dare utter an unkind word.  But, since the Diva isn't in the popular click, she gets criticized for something the same thing I have heard many times on this board.  

For proper disclosure on my involvement, I don't know the Diva, I have never spoken to the Diva, I have never seen the Diva, I am not now, nor will I probably ever be, a client, So I am not acting as her white knight or making any claim as to the good or bad of her services or attitude.   I am just pointing out the difference in attitude some of the men have here, when it comes to providers complaining about reviews.  

DevaDivine995 reads

I appreciate your apology but it's really all good. None of it hurts my business. Also, listening to others genuine point of view helps me to grow and learn. I love it all...bad or good.

ThreeCupsPlease1173 reads

I have seen your ad on BP, so I wouldn't have bothered to read your review.  I appreciate you bringing this review to the attention of those who may have missed it.  You have also made it clear that you are not someone I would enjoy seeing.

DevaDivine1638 reads

WHO CARES? I sure as hell don't!

The spelling is different but then so is the name in her ad.  And an appropriate one I might add.

thehills897 reads

And she says she's NOT flabby?

Posted By: oleoneeye
The spelling is different but then so is the name in her ad.  And an appropriate one I might add.  

I fail to see what flabby actually means in TER standards.
In english flabby technically means things are saggy, like loose skin
I don't see that in any of the pics. She looks HWP but could be the angle
If you can grab something
then I would say its baby fat meaning thick or curvy after having kids not flabby at all.
But since she says she's about 6'0 then I would say avg build.
Because taller women carry weight differently than avg height ones .


Posted By: thehills
And she says she's NOT flabby?
Posted By: oleoneeye
The spelling is different but then so is the name in her ad.  And an appropriate one I might add.  

well i do not or have not written many reviews but if my memory serves me right the section on build does not have a selection for us that is "thick" so unless she wants to be an "other" ....after i view the photos and not able to touch, i guess i would classify this Diva as " flabby" sorry but the picture is speaking to the rest of us and if you do not like that then get a better picture...your smile is great though!

thehills1764 reads

HWP is so effed-up. Does that mean that all 6 foot women have to weigh the same?

All women should look like Kate Middleton, IMO.

Posted By: callng.you.out
I fail to see what flabby actually means in TER standards.
In english flabby technically means things are saggy, like loose skin
I don't see that in any of the pics. She looks HWP but could be the angle
If you can grab something
then I would say its baby fat meaning thick or curvy after having kids not flabby at all.
But since she says she's about 6'0 then I would say avg build.
Because taller women carry weight differently than avg height ones .


Posted By: thehills
And she says she's NOT flabby?
Posted By: oleoneeye
The spelling is different but then so is the name in her ad.  And an appropriate one I might add.  

Please explain to me how a 6'0 woman @170lbs looks & carries the same as a 5'4 woman @170 lbs.
They don't no matter how much you try and debate it.
Physiologically & visibly it doesn't  work.
I don't care much for her attitude but she doesn't look flabby to me in those pics either way.

Posted By: thehills
HWP is so effed-up. Does that mean that all 6 foot women have to weigh the same?

All women should look like Kate Middleton, IMO.
Posted By: callng.you.out
I fail to see what flabby actually means in TER standards.
In english flabby technically means things are saggy, like loose skin
I don't see that in any of the pics. She looks HWP but could be the angle
If you can grab something
then I would say its baby fat meaning thick or curvy after having kids not flabby at all.
But since she says she's about 6'0 then I would say avg build.
Because taller women carry weight differently than avg height ones .


Posted By: thehills
And she says she's NOT flabby?
Posted By: oleoneeye
The spelling is different but then so is the name in her ad.  And an appropriate one I might add.  

Can't assume that photos are current though.  I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of disappointments due to old photos.

Not saying either party is right or wrong.  I just don't think this discussion board is where the issue gets resolved for her.  IMHO, its going to have the adverse affect because had I ever considered seeing her, now I know I will never.

DevaDivine1113 reads

And believe me that is just fine with me. If a person speaking their mind with heated passion turns you off then you were never my type of client anyway.  And stick to what you know when you talk; my postings haven't deterred ANY of my business. So you wouldn't come see me...who cares? I can't miss what I've never had. Besides, I stay plenty busy even without your business but thanks anyway, dude.

That is the glaring weakness of TER. I would LIKE to hear a provider's response to a bad review. That would give me insight into that provider's character. It would also be fair to the provider. Other boards have a place for provider's to respond. Why not TER?

Apollo-x1174 reads

There they may discuss their reviews and whatever else they want to talk about.

TER is about reviewing providers, and review rebuttals are better served elsewhere although they will sometimes air grievances on the boards. You are after all responding to such a thread.

Not sure what you mean by bad review but there is a difference between a bad review and an inaccurate/false one.  I wouldn't want to read a provider defending a bad session or trying to rewrite history.  And even a good provider can have a bad day.  Over time, the ratings tend to stay around the same level.  And ratings tend to be a bit inflated anyway. Look how may times guys have "once in a lifetime experiences.  (In my opinion, reviewers tend to give a rating more in line with previous reviewers rather than based on their own experience.)

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