It is been 6 or 7 years since I have been active here. Please message with recommendations for my return.

As the two you have reviewed are no longer active one of the best ways would be to purchase VIP and read reviews to get the lay of the land. Think the scene has changed significantly since then

Would you say the scene is changed for the better, or the worse? Or just simply that most of the providers are different now?

as the likelihood that your likes, wants, and desires have changed over such a significant period of time. Does the age, race, body type, incall location, services offered, etc., all matter? Are you trying to use a fake name when you screen or are you open to using your real name? What's your price point?

I started about the time of your reviews . Think with BP you had more choices. For the most part you had massage and FS providers with some massage offering extras. We now have a large segment of massage upgrade providers. The massage was not screening the way they are today and down payments were not demanded/ requested as they are today. On the low end there were no deposits where today a deposit on the low end is usually a scam.  
One of the biggest changes IMHO is the mutual DISRESPECT that has caused cancellations on both sides neither seeming in many cases to feel an obligation to uphold the contract.
Many other things but is a start.

Things have changed considerably many girls rates with very little time or reviews is out of control. There are still some reasonable competent providers if you so your homework. Couple of new scams gift card, and deposit scams where they want up front . Putting you at whim of when where and if they show up or deliver.Alot of massage girls that now work out of private residences, vs the old massage parlors that were around. Lots afvfake pics or old and outdated pics asking for alot of money. Standard use to be th one pop, hour 2. Not so true anymore hour one pop then basically get out, new gals dont clean you up anymore either. Not many real professional anymore, its more its all about them. Anyway get VIP and do your homework, be careful as always and you'll be fine.

Most other local FS girls with 8+ looks are highly overpriced.  There is no reason to pay 500 to 700 for covered FS.

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It really started changing, at least in my observation, after FOSTA/SESTA passed.  Overall, there is less respect and more mistrust between clients and providers as a whole.

that FOSTA/SESTA did cause a bit of an uproar personally, I find that the provider/client dynamic (at least here on TER) got worse after the onset of COVID for numerous reasons. I also think there is a struggle because although both parties (providers and clients) agree that this is a business, there are differing opinions in how these businesses should be operated*.  

Respectfully, you have earned your stripes and can charge what you want.  In fact, based on market rates for similar porn star providers with similar status charging $1,000+ an hour, your rates are super reasonable and that is commendable of you.  Most definitely do you deserve whatever you ask based on being who you are.  

Normally, with rate discussions I find it pointless to engage but the response comes off as though you *do* have an issue with local providers charging $500 -$800 for the first hour. But if they are charging that much and holding the line, then clearly they are getting booked and working as often as they would like at that rate. Which only reinforces the notion that you very well may have an issue because you no longer have access to those people either due to: budget constraints and/or a "line in the sand" you've drawn for yourself regarding how much you'll spend. Also, the reply once again sheds light on the difference in how so many "hobbyists" view how rates should be determined (almost solely based on looks) vs how they actually are determined (yes looks but also: services offered, the incall costs, the accoutrements provided like drinks, light food, how often the provider wants to work, the type of engagements they prefer, etc)

It is reasonable to complain about the aggregate increase of rates in this hobby just as it is reasonable to complain about the increase in the price of energy, housing or food.  That said, it is very UN-reasonable to complain about the actual rate of an individual provider.  The provider determines what their services are worth and it is also up to them to determine how busy they CHOOSE to be.  The hobbyist does his/her research and decides how they choose to spend their money.  For those that can no longer afford to hobby, that's life and shit happens.  Get a second job or do better at the poker table, for some reason you are underperforming in life.

Maybe it's how Miggs uses his words but one takeaway from his post is that perhaps $500-$700 is bareback territory for him.  

Let's be honest the rates are ridiculous. No woman decides $500 for an hour. No session is worth that much. Personal opinion but I wish more guys would draw a line in the sand and don't overpay. I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this but I'd never pay $50 for a Big Mac no matter if the restaurant is 5 stars.

So I do agree that a woman can set her price for her rate. We can complain but obviously it's her call and if some idiot is willing to fork up 600 bucks or more an hour, that's certainly his prerogative. But what I don't get is why someone would be underperforming at life if they can't afford $600 per hour or don't want to pay that amount.  The average pay in the United States is about 52000 a year. If you're making a wage around that are, you're certainly doing decent in life.
I can certainly afford to pay $500 -$600 for 1 hour date but I frown upon it because I have a set standard (but might make an exception for Pagie). I don't even pay that much for my car payment and insurance. It's just funny how times have changed in just a few short years. Before the Super Bowl came in Minneapolis, I could have had 2 dates and potentially 3 or the rate of 1 now (obviously I'm referencing the higher end women).

I won't pay 500 an hour. Around here for average 1 pop service and that's what we have from these over priced locals. Since the super bowl and other events in town that brought in upscale talent, Mpls girls jacked there prices but not there game. Most guys that pay that kind of dough have expense accounts or inexperienced in the hobby. I don't blame the girls for what they charge, but won't pay it. Take 1000 hop on a plane fly to Costa Rica,  parts of Mexico, France or many other countries. You'll find international beauties and hobby like a rock star for 3 or 4 days all legal.  Fly to Thailand, hobby for a week from an absolute beauty who will also cook clean and translate for you while traveling for a week and come back with change.Lot of really great experiences in this hobby
, go out and find them, instead of the sea of overpriced mediocrity you find here, while looking over your back for LE,

Your analogy was interesting and clever but yah girls charge what they charge and you have to live with it.
 The most I have spent on a date was 400-450 and that was from an out of towner who was good but still not worth the rate.Back 3-4 years ago alot of put of towners with rates alot higher than most locals here planned to come here but ended up cancelling before they arrived (I am guessing because of the price point and lack of bookings).
 Girls usually start at a lower price point and you have to find them then. Once the reviews start coming in and they get more popular the rates go up. I have only known of 2-3 girls who have actually lowered there rates (2 are still active). One of these went from 250, up to 400, back down to 300 and still at 300. Following her that summer was pretty entertaining as the price point followed other providers she was hanging out with and once she stopped hanging out with them she went back down to "normal" Back 5 or so years ago most ladies raised there rates because clients told them they should and they were way too cheap and could make more, and most listened to them.

too bad someone with pretty much no references and is "new" may not have a chance to even see any of the mne girls. Damn near impossible getting in.

Live good on 52,000 a year…😂😂😂
Let’s take taxes/Health insurance out of that at 22% $11,400=$40,600
Average rent or house payment $1500 X 12 months = $18,000

when I did my research on the market, the majority of the rates were in the $350 - $500 price range even after the super bowl in Minneapolis. I didn't see rates shoot up until 1) after COVID and 2) here recently with the rising costs of goods but primarily... housing.

that you would be willing to pay my 1H rate - truly, I am! You've said it a few times publicly and I do appreciate that. However, let's as the kids say, "keep it 100". My 1H rate is what it is because I own other businesses in this area those businesses demand so much of my time that rearranging my schedule for 1H is more of nuisance than anything. My client today commented that my rate structure clearly incentivizes 1.5 and longer dates for those who pre-plan ahead of time. If you don't, then in his words, "consider the extra a "nuisance fee". Basically, book the 2H because it becomes $400/hr.  

That would make sense why he's on the prowl for vulnerable women he can manipulate for his own needs.

There's alot of people with a shit ton of money,  $700 for a good fuck is nothing for a lot of dudes especially all the empty nester baby boomers.  If your realing in $20 or 30k in the stock market every day when the markets performing well $700 looks like peanuts.  Suck it up dudes,  we all cant have everything.  Find a new hobby or get a girl friend.

Really?

You also are incentivized to longer dates. Not only more dollars but when it takes the same amount of time to get ready ,  to go to and from Incall, if rental hotel no more charge,  wether date is 60/90/120
Therefore one can take home more dollars per hour with your 90 minute or two hour then the one hour at base rate. Actually to me I see it as a win win for you and those that can come up with the total dollars.

I think it started way before FOSTA, and several situations happened to make it worse nowadays. I just looked on ER*S, and in MN, there were only 25 ads. MN has never been a large area for this kind of business. But there were 100 ads for a while at the peak, or in the '90s.  

Are you suggesting Jordan Maxx is a “vulnerable woman” in your opinion?

You just have to start following one lady and then you can explore who she's following... and/or who she's interacting with.

I don’t think you will find a single long tenured true hobbyist on here that will argue that they are not the best fun in town for the $$$!!!

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She does not appear to be nor does it surprise me that once in a while you choose to play up several levels.  Sounds like she shut you down on the bareback attempt though, lol.

You both have private emails that you can communicate with yet you openly push MNE every opportunity you get on public boards.  Is it simply infatuation or do you really have a stake in the sex ring?

Not sure why she brought up what should be private communication between us on a public forum.  

You brought up a high end donation to a provider wasn't valid for "covered" full service.  I note that is appears you're seeking out services that I and many others believe are dangerous and potentially quite hazardous to other hobbyists.  You get mad that she publicly confirms this and in the same thread you publicly claim that this is the very service that she offers.  

Damn dude.. you must have a hard on for me. I was replying to someone else stating the AVERAGE pay for an American is about that $52000 and that most people (depending on where you live) can live decently on that. I never stated that I made that must. Been quite a few years since my pay was that.  
 It was a conversation that had nothing to do with you but you decided to interject your two sense. 1st of all, you have no idea if I'm a "cheap a**" as you say.  Just because I've frowned upon paying what I consider outrageous rages for pros certainly doesn't mean I'm a cheap skate, bro..
I just find paying  $600 plus rate for an hour excessive when I can get the same service for less. That's my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion last time I checked. I you want to pay that, knock yourself out bro.  
Second point, who the fuck would I be envious of? Certainly not you. And if you talking about providers, you think I review ever pro I see on here. I have a few regulars who are delisted on here but would be considered higher end who charge half the price of some of the high end. That extra 250-300 goes in my investment portfolio..
 Third point, the last time we had interaction you said you weren't gonna engage with me anymore. But you prove yourself to be a man of not having integrity because guess what, you just engaged with me again.  Dude, sounds like you need to get a life and kick rocks.

at no point did Jordan share the details of a private conversation. All she said was, "Can confirm. He's a boundary pusher."  

BTW, please don’t act all high and mighty.  Isn’t your main job having bareback sex with men on camera for a living?

Very interesting that you would even think that BBFS would be available at 5to7  with a Pornstar with her looks and actually applaud her willingness to even respond  to your idiotic statements. This is if available at all . Which I sincerely doubt.  
Doubt if once they know you you could get it with any of the ones you are promoting for that rate but may instead get teeth marks during what was supposed to be a sloppy BJ

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...you'd put the shovel down.  My guess is that you'll keep digging though!

Before the Superbowl average was 200 to 300 for upper girls here. Paige you weren't around then. Many girls less than that.500 is take home weeks pay for alot of guys then. Anyway for a 150 you could get a nice time with alot of nice girls, 250 would get you an hour. But charge whatever you want just dont expect phone ringing off the hook when prices get to high.

You just can't help putting yourself into these situations can you?  How many times are you going to dig yourself into a hole before you learn to stop.

You have proven that you are not a true professional outing me on a public escort forum for requesting BBFS in private(which we both know you quoted me).  Please share our messages since you have already shared communication that is supposed to be private provider/client privileged.  I encourage and welcome that you do.  Please!

First I see you saying she outed your request
As for BBFS first mentioned directly by Snafu
Her Response indicated you were a boundary pusher ( no mention Of BBFS)
Next snafu came with think maybe you were shut down in attempt
Then came post that you were not shut down just not willing to pay up ( at this point you OUTED yourself)
Then YOU claim she is offering it -  do not have the email but probably was ( yes for some number with a bunch of zeros- this to a guy who is complaining about 500-700 to locals
Then you laughed at a possible suggestion of her being vulnerable - have not met but sure she is not)

As I mentioned before, focus on FS with the highly reviewed hot MNErotica girls.  They are reliable, provide consistent service, and don’t come on this forum and complain.

If you're going to try to insult people you're going to have to have to be more creative; the "least common denominator" type insults come from those with the lowest form of wit. Also, it's just... pathetic.

You are correct. This thread went off the rails starting with a post taking shots at the prices of local indies.
When they responded attacked got personal. All they way through ending with claiming the hijacking was others and name calling another poster. Guess to that I am at least one of the loner hobbyists but you most likely will never have hemorrhoids or class.

so what's the reason for your perma-shill of MNE?  Infatuation or compensation?

I was referring to Snafu as the porn star.  He was a fluffer for several years before he became a tutor.

Miggs, what do you gain by cruelly insulting others on the Board with immature, toxic responses? In a world filled with hate, lack of acceptance of each other and just plain hard times, project some kindness and civility. It makes others feel good, and from my experience, does one’s own self a world of good. When it all comes down, we are all just walking each other home.

No, you were not referring to me.  You can't even stand by your own words now, lol but we're used to that by now.  Btw, you didn't answer Miggs....infatuation or compensation?  

AAAAAAh shit...and I always thought Snafu was Ron Jeremy...

Damn straight Sir!!
(Too Funny…😭…I was going to quote RocketMan from the board about a year ago but I decided to Dass instead in the interest of a kinder gentler America. Thanks for rejoining the Board after swearing it off months back. Always enjoy your reviews and insights)

Damn it. My proof reader was in a 4:30 session, I should have waited. Daas not Dass.