Minnesota

Frustration in Minneapolis
alanaalexander See my TER Reviews 2871 reads
posted
1 / 39

Good morning!!

Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?

laurakennedy See my TER Reviews 1576 reads
posted
2 / 39

Hi Alana,

Just wanted to say, I am sorry you are having a difficult time. I don't live in Minneapolis but was thinking of visiting. This is not very encouraging. Hopefully, some locals will chime in. I hope things turn around nicely for you.

Cheers
Posted By: alanaalexander
Good morning!!  
   
 Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?
-- Modified on 8/23/2013 9:07:35 AM

knotsaway 38 Reviews 1313 reads
posted
3 / 39

Alana, that's terrible!  Some cancellations are unavoidable of course (e.g. appointment is made a few days in advance and then the gentleman is called to go out of town on business at the last minute), but NCNS without a really good reason (and a followup) is unforgivable in ANY case, for clients or providers.  So sorry you had this bad experience on your first visit to Minnesota.  Hopefully it will not dissuade you from returning some day, and if you do you may want to ask local providers for help in screening clients, so you know who is likely to be courteous, and respectful of your valuable time.

Drumsticks 90 Reviews 1217 reads
posted
4 / 39

...really answer. I notice you just got a very nice shill today on this board.
I've noticed that the Twin Cities really gets a lot of repeat visiting ladies as well as many first time visitors. I have to assume that the reason many ladies are repeat visitors is because they do well here. I'm sorry that you're getting flaked and cancelled on. You have stellar reviews and appear to be very pretty....just my type. Maybe it takes a few visits to build a reliable clientele here, I don't know. Personally, I am the type who tries to live up to my commitments all of the time; or I don't make them to begin with.
Again, sorry for your run of inconsiderate behavior.  :(

Pollenbroker 24 Reviews 1127 reads
posted
5 / 39

My guess is that you've got to stick with guys who have solid references, a review history, whitelist or P411.  Just as there are providers who are high-quality and won't cancel without notice, there are hobbyists who are the same.  But there are also hobbyists who get their thrills just from contacting the provider, and have no intention of following through.

A local provider recently raised this issue, so it's not just touring girls.  

I'm really sorry this has happened to you. I don't think this is typical of the TC, at least I wouldn't like to think so.
 
Posted By: alanaalexander
Good morning!!  
   
 Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?

alanaalexander See my TER Reviews 1245 reads
posted
6 / 39

Thanks everyone for your input! I only see gents who have several references from reputable providers or are verified on TER, p411, etc. that's what's most frustrating that these gents were all verified by other providers!! I guess at this point I'm just beating a dead horse!

toolin 35 Reviews 1141 reads
posted
7 / 39

I follow a few providers on twitter that I have seen before or would like to see in the future. There are four on tour in different cities all complaining about the same. One is in Chicago another in New Orleans. The one in New Orleans requires a deposit to make a appointment and she still had no shows. Something is definitely strange when you would no show and lose a deposit. She is a former porn star so her rates are not low and she gets 30% deposit so we are not talking small amounts.  
To all the gents that cancelled on Alana believe me you don't know what you missed

craiglist4 48 Reviews 1440 reads
posted
8 / 39

I have a theory that a lot of NCNSs whether guys or gals come from a handful of repeat offenders.  The ladies are generally reluctant to call the guys out publicly on this issue, so they continue to get away with it.  

I have heard this is a problem in other markets as well.  It seems like it hits especially hard on your first couple of visits, before you've had a chance to identify the time wasters.  

Sorry for your bad experience.  I hope it gets better!

titan90 8 Reviews 1047 reads
posted
9 / 39

Yeah.  This story repeats all around the boards.  Deposits are going to be commonplace soon.  get your "Hobby" credit card ready boys!

norskman 37 Reviews 954 reads
posted
10 / 39

Hi Alana,

I've talked with several other fine ladies who visit here, as if I have a nice time with them, I'm certainly encouraging them to come back!

What they've told me forms a somewhat confusing picture.  Some visiting ladies have told me their phones ring constantly, while others complain that they get almost no calls while they're here or get the cancellations and NCNSs you describe.  They're all excellent ladies with stellar online reputations. I tried to find some sort of pattern -- was it where/when they advertised?  Was it a certain type of provider (busty, kinky, etc.). Time of year (does Winter encourage hobbyists to decide to hibernate and NCNS?) None required a deposit.  

Honestly, I couldn't figure out why some were having much more difficulty with clients than others.  I've noticed that some agencies and ladies have stopped coming here, presumably because it wasn't worthwhile, while others are stepping up and visiting more often. ????????!!!

Alana, I'm sorry to hear about your problems visiting.  There's no excuse for that kind of behavior.  Here's hoping that we still have some gentlemen that will step up to the plate and treat you with proper respect and courtesy.    
Posted By: toolin
I follow a few providers on twitter that I have seen before or would like to see in the future. There are four on tour in different cities all complaining about the same. One is in Chicago another in New Orleans. The one in New Orleans requires a deposit to make a appointment and she still had no shows. Something is definitely strange when you would no show and lose a deposit. She is a former porn star so her rates are not low and she gets 30% deposit so we are not talking small amounts.  
 To all the gents that cancelled on Alana believe me you don't know what you missed.  
 

anmename 1407 reads
posted
11 / 39

59 appointment made and completed, two cancellations that I made (both 24 hours plus in advance) and 9 cancellations by providers (most inside of 24 hours). I have never NCNS'd.

Like Alana, I only see well reviewed TER and P411 ladies, so you tell me: Is that good, bad, bad typical

RealP4U 57 Reviews 1197 reads
posted
12 / 39

Thanks for letting us all know what a great guy you are.  I would never have known how reliable you are, if you hadn't posted your amazing statistics.  I guess its too bad, that you are batting "59" and only seeing well reviewed ladies, but for some reason don't make the effort to write a review that might help the rest of us.   I sure hope Alana reads this, and reaffirms your opinion that you are a true model hobbyist.

Pollenbroker 24 Reviews 1115 reads
posted
13 / 39
anmename 774 reads
posted
15 / 39

Realp4u: I’m sorry that my statement came off as braggadocios. That was not my intent. I know that you have been hobbying for a lot longer and seen many more ladies. I truly wanted to know if my experience was typical. You talk about posting reviews to help others out, what about answering the question to help other out? You also have been around long enough to know that just because you don’t see my reviews, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. I have in the past posted many, and if you bother to search my handle on the board you will see that I regularly shill for the ladies I see.

AmourTouche: Medals? When did we start giving out medals? I missed that meeting!  I honestly don’t see the value in repeating reviews from myself and others. Like I said, I primarily see well review ladies. How many way can you say Poppy is awesome, Portia is great, Vivy is Hot, Elan is awesome, etc… TER does not run on reviews. It cost money. I like to think that my paid VIP status helps keep the servers running.

All: My question quite simply is that I have been cancelled on about 5 times more than I have cancelled. Is this typical for hobbyists? Providers? I only posted my numbers so that folks didn’t think my data set was in consequentially

VivyHart See my TER Reviews 661 reads
posted
17 / 39

Rick-you offered to write me a review and I turned you down knowing the men who enjoyed writing them would.  It is just fine with me if you do not elaborate our fun to the world. Thank you for being a courteous gentleman.

anmename 662 reads
posted
18 / 39

But I'm not interested in "street cred". I have my p411 referrals and that's all I need.

MetalMan811 3 Reviews 638 reads
posted
19 / 39

Couldn't have said it better myself.... And Rick, I wouldnt sweat it. Some people simply aren't happy if they're not critizing someone or busy judging others.  

Of course, I've only written two reviews on new providers out of the many I have seen.  So I probably don't have any street cred either...

-- Modified on 8/23/2013 9:06:46 PM

thumper6969 608 reads
posted
20 / 39

What's your fucking problem

Tippe 41 Reviews 1111 reads
posted
21 / 39

Posted By: alanaalexander
Good morning!!  
   
 Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?
I was looking to vent my frustration too and ironically found this topic. I just got back half a hour ago at the meet point at the provider's hotel. She hung up on my second call when I got there and I called quits. She was a out-of-towner too.

anmename 607 reads
posted
22 / 39

It's nice to know there are some adults on the board.

Best of all things to all of you!

-- Modified on 8/24/2013 12:21:30 AM

CaseyCase See my TER Reviews 1157 reads
posted
23 / 39

Posted By: alanaalexander
Good morning!!  
   
 Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?
I get cancelled on all the time too, although I'm local and not on tour. For a while about 1/3rd would cancel (usually with 24 hrs or less notice), now it's down to about 1/4th or maybe a little less since I switched a few things around. But still, it's kind of ridiculous, and not much can be done about it. Especially since most people who cancel on me never bother rescheduling :(

I always wonder why hobbyists complain about providers cancelling on them, since it happens to me the other way around so often. FTR, I try not to cancel on hobbyists unless something unavoidable has happened (which does happen sometimes-- I'm not perfect. But I definitely don't cancel on 1/4th or 1/3rd of my dates.) Maybe both sides just suck... lol

anmename 1004 reads
posted
24 / 39

If out numbers are typical, I get cancelled on as a client about half as often as you do as a provider. Would you say that P411 or TER WL clients are any more or less dependable than you other clients?  

What I'm wondering is: given same subset of people, (let's say it P411 providers and clients) would the cancelations be about the same, half coming from the clients, half from the providers?

TrulyMsMocha See my TER Reviews 946 reads
posted
25 / 39
goodair 831 reads
posted
26 / 39

Armour has a personal frustration with Casper the ghost: Let it go, and do not attack on a public forum.  
Here is my rule: I will never be upset/fuming/frustrated about anyone for more than 3 days.  Life is too short, to be lived with a frown. Let things go: Smile and Be happy.

That said, Here is the trend I have seen with NCNS:
1. If all communication is over email/cyberspace the probablity is very high it is going to be a NCNS.
2. Some providers have said, they do not want to give out their phone numbers: No Reputable business exists without a phone number. In todays tech world, it is a lot easier to be discreet through texting. And text is instantaneous.  
3. There is no need to text or exchange phone calls for more than 2 days.  If the appointment was setup more than 2 days in advance, it is important, that 2 days before the appointment all communication is done through phone.  Flirting through texting, and also sweet, sexy, happy texts throughout the day, keep the blood flowing. Also, text response times and text tones will give you a very good idea of how reliable a person is.  
4.  My phone rings a lot. When I need sleep/private time I switch to airplane mode.  One can never get away from Creeps and Wierdos.

Here are my stats. I only see providers who have more than 3 TER reviews. In over 20 years of hobbying( I started before internet existed) I have never NCNS'ed on a provider. All the providers who have NCNSed on me have email/cyberspace communication only or have forgetten to pay their phone bill.  

If you cannot remember to pay your monthly phonebill: It is a 100% guaranteed, NCNS. And if you are always running late/ check into a hotel after making an appointment well then......

Enjoy what you do and positive experiences will find you

talltails 682 reads
posted
27 / 39

Who needs to give a review to every lady he sees to earn "street cred" on TER? I've been in this a long time. I use to have many reviews under another handle. Now, P411 and my reputation with the providers that know me is all I need.  
I too have been called a troll by some on this board because I have no reviews, or "street cred". I've been posting for years on this board, As I've said in a previous post, I have my reasons for changing handles.  
Never, ever give out TMI, that was my mistake. You can meet strange people in this hobby. Thus, the change in handles with no reviews.  

As far as the cancellations, all businesses have them. Cancellations all the time in the business world. Its all part of doing business, no matter what kind of business it is. You just deal with it, and keep moving forward

knotsaway 38 Reviews 723 reads
posted
28 / 39

Posted By: goodair

 That said, Here is the trend I have seen with NCNS:  
 1. If all communication is over email/cyberspace the probablity is very high it is going to be a NCNS.  
 2. Some providers have said, they do not want to give out their phone numbers: No Reputable business exists without a phone number. In todays tech world, it is a lot easier to be discreet through texting. And text is instantaneous.  
 3. There is no need to text or exchange phone calls for more than 2 days.  If the appointment was setup more than 2 days in advance, it is important, that 2 days before the appointment all communication is done through phone.  Flirting through texting, and also sweet, sexy, happy texts throughout the day, keep the blood flowing. Also, text response times and text tones will give you a very good idea of how reliable a person is.  
 
I have to disagree with you on this.  My experience has been completely different.  For example, my ATF is very professional and reliable, and ALL communication with her is via email, and sometimes TER PM for non-time-critical stuff.  The only phone communication is via text, when I arrive at her incall so she knows I'm there and can let me in.  Also, two other providers I like a lot are email communication ONLY--I don't even know their phone numbers.  But they are professional, prompt in replying, and have never cancelled on me let alone done a NCNS on me.  

In fact, the provider I had the most trouble with re last-minute cancellations and NCNS had a preferred communication channel of--guess what?--phone/text.

The part about sweet, happy texts throughout the day sounds like fun.  But, providers are not my girlfriends.  I expect they are busy during the day making a living, as I am, so I don't expect a quick response should I text them during the day--unless it's right before my appointment with them.  So except in that one case, text response time doesn't give me any indication re how reliable a provider is.  What tells me she's reliable is that she never cancels without good reason, never NCNSes without a REALLY good reason and gets back to me ASAP and apologizes, is on time for sessions, and lets me know ASAP if something unavoidable has come up and we need to reschedule.  I don't expect any provider to sit by her phone waiting for me to text her (or computer waiting for me to email her) so she can send me a reply right away.

MsChayse 527 reads
posted
29 / 39

Posted By: talltails
 As far as the cancellations, all businesses have them. Cancellations all the time in the business world. Its all part of doing business, no matter what kind of business it is. You just deal with it, and keep moving forward.  
Touche sir!

tinknal 937 reads
posted
30 / 39

Casey, in my case it bothers me so much because the opportunity for me  comes about so rarely.  I live a long way away from the cities and for me to see a provider is a treat.  I need to schedule special time and set aside money in advance.  A NCNS pretty much ruins my day.

Posted By: CaseyCase
 
Posted By: alanaalexander
Good morning!!  
     
  Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?
   
 I get cancelled on all the time too, although I'm local and not on tour. For a while about 1/3rd would cancel (usually with 24 hrs or less notice), now it's down to about 1/4th or maybe a little less since I switched a few things around. But still, it's kind of ridiculous, and not much can be done about it. Especially since most people who cancel on me never bother rescheduling :(  
   
 I always wonder why hobbyists complain about providers cancelling on them, since it happens to me the other way around so often. FTR, I try not to cancel on hobbyists unless something unavoidable has happened (which does happen sometimes-- I'm not perfect. But I definitely don't cancel on 1/4th or 1/3rd of my dates.) Maybe both sides just suck... lol

Beachs 1 Reviews 954 reads
posted
31 / 39

I know one lady said she had over 800 emails in her inbox I keep her busy answering all my stupid questions :)
I hate waiting for replies and going back and forth can be frustrating when simple phone call would solve everything.
I also like to hear a ladies voice before I meet.
On flip side it’s a pleasant surprise and nice touch when I come in the morning and I have an email waiting for me from her even if it is just how are you can’t wait to see you or there is a picture attached

cambenson150 737 reads
posted
32 / 39

This has certainly been an interesting discussion!  I hope that the answer is not simply that MN men are flaky.  I need to believe that's not the case.  Everyone hobbies under different circumstances, and I think we all understand that sometimes cancellations are unavoidable, on both sides.  I this thread also shows that both providers and clients are generally understanding of cancellations (although disappointed) if they are treated like an adult and communicated with as far in advance as possible.

But there is no excuse for the NCNS on either end.  Most of the comments in this thread don't relate to actual experience with the NCNS phenomenon, and I think that's because the people posting here are self-selected responsible hobbyists and providers.  

So I guess what I would say to you, Alana, is that (from my perspective) there is a strong, vibrant, and reliable hobby community in MPLS.  There are probably also a lot of flaky guys on the periphery.  But if you stick to people who have P411 accounts and provider okays, or who are active on TER, I think the percentage of NCNS situations would be negligible.  

Even so, I can appreciate that there are challenges for a traveling provider: what if the pool of P411 or TER hobbyists isn't sufficiently large to supply a full schedule, and so a provider is forced to underbook or take bookings from guys who are unproven? Does the amount of time in advance that the provider posts on the regional ad board make a difference?  Does price point affect the NCNS rate?  Is it necessary to have a local "guide" when touring who can help spot reliable hobbyists from the local scene during screening?  

I truly didn't mean to write a novel here, and I'm fairly new so I probably lack the necessary "street cred," but the bottom line is that there are lots of responsible hobbyists in MN, we're really sorry that you have had an unpleasant experience, and we really hope that you won't write MN off.  Come back and give us another chance -- there's lots to like about this hobbying community (if you look at the regional boards, for example, this is one of the most active in the U.S.).

Here's to better results!
Posted By: alanaalexander
Good morning!!  
   
 Let me first say that I'm not one to post on boards but my frustration has gotten the best of me! I have finally made my first trip to this very pretty city!! The problem I'm having is that it seems that some of the gentlemen here don't respect providers time! I have had several Ncns and even more cancellations!! I'm extremely frustrated by this because my time is valuable just as anyone else's is! I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether it not this a common occurrence because at this point I will never come back here!! I just wanna know if this is just a fluke or are gents in Minneapolis just this flaky?

741512th 34 Reviews 899 reads
posted
33 / 39

or not.  I try not to cancel, but I've had to on occasion.  I never NCNS, however.

elanmontage See my TER Reviews 910 reads
posted
34 / 39

And I am so grateful.

I never use text, never make phone calls.  Hobby phone is for receiving only and on arrival.  

My cancel NCNS rate is bellow 1% - while later I am given explanation.  Again, I am so grateful.  Thank you.

Let this note not attract NCNS folk please!  I very rarely make a same day appointment and am very low volume; very careful.

Hope this helps.

jchan113 4 Reviews 869 reads
posted
36 / 39

Yeah, but you are Élan. The carnal and sensual experience that awaits the gent cannot compare to any meeting he would need to attend. There are other providers for other stuff, but only one Élan. If we irritate you, we are screwed - not literally since we all know the rules.  

I am a fan of email. Calling is interruptive and interferes with your work

belindabell See my TER Reviews 893 reads
posted
37 / 39

just that there is communication.   Many ladies do not have text on their phone and lead very busy lives.  Many of us do not have the time to text back and forth all day long.   And, when I am with other people, it is
rude to be on the phone texting.

Sometimes life gets in the way of our best laid plans.   It is important to communicate with the other person when something unexpected happens.  There is NO reason for NCNS unless of course you have died or been in an accident.

vorlon 119 Reviews 467 reads
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38 / 39

He simply related his own personal experiences.  Giving him crap about it is uncalled for.

vorlon 119 Reviews 1337 reads
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39 / 39

And while I am sorry this has happened and understand why you would not want to come back, I also hope you would give the TCs a 2nd chance.

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