A wonderful, respectful, mild mannered, WELL mannered, courteous man.....was recently Blcaklisted.   I have another good friend who happened to also fall victim to this.
Sometimes gals wrongly or maybe vengefully Blacklist good men. .....men who mean well and meant no harm.
The case in point is my firend who thought/assumed he booked one hour. She thought/assumed he booked 2. He spent one hour, actually a bit less than an hour, PAID for one hour. She then felt shorted and he tried to explain. She would not listen and then Blackilisted him.
This post is just a heads up to let everyone know and be aware that the Blacklist is not a Black and White tool for us as providers.....always be open minded. Sometimes gals use it in an unfair way.

As many like to say on this board....."just my 2 cents"! And also maybe a fun conversation starter! And guys, if any of you feel youve been wrongly blacklisted?    Speak your peace!  

...be taken care of at the beginning?  No offense to your gent friend, but I normally confirm the time I will spend in the company of a beautiful woman at the beginning of a date, then there are no disputes about the time frame and if there are, they are dealt with up front.  That said, it does seem a shame to blacklist a respectful gent over this, it seems harsh.  To me the blacklist should be a used only as a last option in cases invlvoing NCNS (without an acceptable exuse) or some  bad behavior in the session or a generally bad atttidue and/or threats to the safety of the lady.  How about you Hilary, you are certainly an elite provider, what would you blacklist a fellow for?  Clearly from your post, not something like this.

I have never yet blacklisted anyone. But, you know, I had my FIRST NCNS today! I was very upset! It's a Saturday and I drove to my condo for him and nothing....no email back, no text back, nothing. That is the first time this has happened....so, to Blacklist or NOT to Blacklist??? Hmmm.......
It was very rude of him.  At least let me know, that's all I ask.

And yes, my friend is rather shy and quiet. I also believe he or she should have confirmed the length of the visit and the rate. I hesitate to discuss rates, etc....but I have started to say them right in the email. And NO, I do not say "roses"!! .....I take CASH hunny.   So silly

It was very good of you to bring this blacklisting to your friend's attention. How does a hobbyist without a friend such as you learn that they've been blacklisted and the reason why? Once on a blacklist, if the listing was undeserved, what avenues does a hobbyist have to set the record straight? Do most blacklist sites allow another provider to post on behalf of an accused hobbyist?

Posted By: adsumsparkle

A wonderful, respectful, mild mannered, WELL mannered, courteous man.....was recently Blcaklisted.   I have another good friend who happened to also fall victim to this.
Sometimes gals wrongly or maybe vengefully Blacklist good men. .....men who mean well and meant no harm.
The case in point is my firend who thought/assumed he booked one hour. She thought/assumed he booked 2. He spent one hour, actually a bit less than an hour, PAID for one hour. She then felt shorted and he tried to explain. She would not listen and then Blackilisted him.
This post is just a heads up to let everyone know and be aware that the Blacklist is not a Black and White tool for us as providers.....always be open minded. Sometimes gals use it in an unfair way.

As many like to say on this board....."just my 2 cents"! And also maybe a fun conversation starter! And guys, if any of you feel youve been wrongly blacklisted?    Speak your peace!  

That is a wonderful question! I am going to look into this. And maybe contact the admin at Provider Blacklist about it.
Im not saying that maybe My Friend and this Gal didnt have a bad connection.....maybe they did. The important thing here is for peeps to be open minded......I mean, a Blacklist is not a Final Say in things. I would encourage girls to take note of that.
I guess THAT is my point in beginning this dialogue.   Sometimes folks just dont click....but let's not get nasty about it.....?

Thanks guys for the response.

-- Modified on 7/21/2012 4:49:15 PM

Completely agree, I see a lot of people put on there for no reason some are my good friends that I still see also.

For the record I'd only put someone there that was really in fact dangerous, Repeat offender of ncns ( more than twice ) not someone I don't click with.  Truth you aren't going to get along perfectly with everyone you meet.

I think he's a cop!   he's trying hard to talk the talk......
That's part of my screening! haha

There was recently a provider in Las Vegas who got stood up at the last minute and was asking if she should blacklist the guy, expressing the opinion that she would.

My response to her was, that while I thought she was attractive and had excellent reviews, I would decline to see her.  Blacklisting works by putting the gentleman's real name out on the blacklist board.  It can be searched and found by SO's, spouses and prospective employers.  Occasionally, shit happens.  Cell phone batteries die, cars won't start, meetings run late.  A mature person recognizes this and does throw a hissy fit as a result.

Miscommunication between clients and providers will always occur, the provider in question is too immature to recognize the client and she and the client merely failed to correctly communicate.

As a result, he is blacklisted and she is out a client.  How many appointments would this guy have made assuming the first was any good?

The only blacklisting activity I have heard of before concerned physical assaults.  If gals are going to put up every item of miscommunication, the blacklist is going to be too filled with junk to be of use for provider safety.

You or your gentlemen friend should identify the provider here so that we may avoid her.

Can anyone here text?  A great way to avoid communication mishaps.

I have not been in the industry long, however, I have learned one thing about it. That one thing is COMMUNITY. I have seen a blacklisted client, and he turned out to be a wonderful friend.  I have learn to use this board (even with toungue lashings, trolling, or confusing banter), and to trust other providers more so than a simple list.  As for a NCNS, I would have to simply say "you fool me once, shame on you. You fool me twice shame on me".
I do agree that there is a place for these lists and I thank them for all the safe fun that it allows me to have.

...so long as they are accompanied by plenty of greenbacks with Mr. Franklin's picture...

mmmm.....REAL roses make me WET baby.....

I put her name out there?? She's a nice gal.....maybe a bit rigid? Some gals are rigid.....yes, but I dont think she makes this a habbit. .....or is it habit?   But Im not starting a train wreck and posting names......my luv.....

-- Modified on 7/21/2012 5:17:31 PM

habit like a nun, not rabbit that breds like one.

elhombre should

I'm speechless....

That provider is screwing with his life over whether an appointment was one hour or two.  He should not take it sitting down.

All the blacklist websites are getting plenty of traffic the past several months and have gained traction with Google which has moved these websites up the rankings. Google has moved them up their rankings because of rapidly changing content and increased new content. Perhaps because of the bad P4P economy, some have taken things to extremes and will blacklist any guy for any reason.

Blacklist my hobby phone number, blacklist my handle, blacklist my hobby email all you want. I will just get new ones and find a lady who wants to see me.

The problem arises when someone's real name, phone number, personal email, street address or place of employment are blacklisted. A simple Google search for this information will pull the blacklist websites to the top and a guy's life is FUCKED. Many of these websites are not encrypted or secured (they should be) allowing Google spiders to read them.

Blacklisting using a guy's personal information is the last frontier IMO and I would rather quit the hobby and return to BP style hookups.

The lesson here is to never use your real name, personal/work email, work information or any other info that might compromise your identity when a lady screens you. I don't care how hot a lady is or how good her reviews are! It is not worth the risk. Just read the legal board or the GD board on a regular basis and see how people's personal lives are getting ruined. There are many ways for a lady to screen a client and assure her safety without personal information getting exchanged. We also have to be careful when engaging in "small talk" with a lady during the appointment about sharing too much personal information.

I don't even hobby with my real first name. I have a unique first name and a simple Google search of my first name will pull up all sorts of stuff about me like where I went to school, college GPA, dean's list, college pictures, even newspaper "public information" listings. If a lady finds this information about you on the internet, she could use it to blacklist or even blackmail you. Good luck getting the owners of these blacklist websites to remove your information without a suit and even then it might not work because some websites are owned and hosted outside of the U.S.

I have invested the time and dollars to create a hobby identity for myself, it has been worth it for my sanity at least.

This post is not directed at Hilary but those who are concerned about their privacy and want to protect it.

1.  it belongs on the PO Board
2.  No body but the 2 people involved REALLY and truly know what happened.
3.  Men lie.  So do Women.
4.  And, why is information from a blacklist site being leaked to clients?   Blacklist sites are meant to help keep ladies safe and if people are blabbing to clients about what is on it.......well, that sorta' defeats the purpose, doesn't it?  

Unfuckingbelievable.

Perhaps the song "The Days of Wine and Roses" would be good filler music for a session.

I don't think its as much info being leaked to clients as it is more likely because a few people complained publicly about their info being put there for miniscule and easily remedied reasons now its searchable so anyone can look  .
I think its ridiculous to see a person on there for one ncns or a miscommunication such as the one Hil mentioned she could of easily turned them into a repeat client & then the shorted  appointment would of been made up for + then some. Just being simply nice to someone goes a long way .
That is true there are liars on both sides of the hobby and that is why I ignore most of the info until I've had a chance to see for myself .  I would NOT however share it with anyone because that's not what those sites are designed for . I definitely agree with that too.

There are 3 websites that I know of where guys can join or simply visit the site and see they have been blacklisted. The information is public and not in a secure environment.

There is another site where  a guy can signup and pay a membership fee to see if they have been blacklisted.

On the other websites, the pages are not encrypted even if a provider has to log on to access them. A simple Google search that matches information in the blacklist will show the website and perhaps any behind the scenes pages.

So many factions of retired providers starting blacklist websites have made the entire concept meaningless as far as the hobby is concerned IMO. Providers blacklisting clients and Google picking it up is doing much damage peoples personal lives and that is where the problem is.

I agree that too many things are posted on the blacklist sites that do not need to be posted.  A single incident of NCNS or misunderstanding in length of session does not need to be posted, IMO.   However, ladies need to know about the repeat offenders.  
Secondly, I agree........the googible sites are dangerous.    The retired provider you speak of has such a site.   Personally, I would never use them and don't belong to their site.   I do not think a life needs to be ruined over an NCNS or some other minor offense.    I agree with you on that point!
Thirdly, there are a number of blacklist sites whereby the information posted there is NOT found by googling.   I belong to 2 such sites.
Fourth, I do not make it a habit to blacklist people.  I think I have only made 2 or 3 reports since early 2008.

I have no idea what sites you are talking about but if men can join, then they are not the blacklist sites that I am aware of.  Perhaps they are sites men developed to aid other men in finding out if they are on a blacklist site????    The ones I belong to, the provider has to be verified through website and reviews.  

Blacklist sites serve a purpose.  It is up to providers to not abuse the system and strictly use it for how and what it was intended.

Regardless, NO provider should be telling a client what is posted on a blacklist site.  The fact of the matter is, no TWO providers will have the exact same experience with any ONE client.    I personally know of providers who got references from very reliable and established ladies, only to have been manhandled and forced BB by said client.  I highly doubt the ladies who gave the references had this same experience with him.    

-- Modified on 7/22/2012 12:11:14 AM

OK I really missed something, where did she call you names.  I reread the posts here and don't see it.

A few years ago I made the mistake of using my real name to book dates here on TER.  I have never NCNS and never stiffed a provider.
I usually only see reviewed providers.  Somehow I was blacklisted on one site that you allude to in your post.
My sister-in-law happened to do a search for our last name (not very common) and up popped my name and TER handle and a disparaging remark- the majority of the remark was for provider members eyes only- but it was enough for her to ask my brother if he knew about this.  I had some "splaining" to do.  

This particular blacklist site has no restrictions on what providers can say and they can and do say anything they want. There is no grievance system and you can't even find out who posted there.

Yes, you are smart to be totally anonymous.

I've avg 1 NCNS a year out of over 16 yrs providing, I see it as pointless
Little do they know... most of us that have been around for quite some time always have a plan B (like I do) that will pay twice as much and be much more enjoyable to visit with lol so really they aren't doing anything but wasting their own damn time being a jerk .
Karma is a way bigger bitch than I could ever be.
I don't see a point in putting them there unless it's a frequent thing they do to ladies, eventually his options will run out and he'll mess with the wrong person if he does ever show up to an appointment. That's just my opinion.

Belinda- Wondering123 is right, no name calling in this thread, and Hilary said she would not post the name of the provider who blacklisted her gent friend.  I do think this was a needed discussion  about these blacklisting sites.  I learned quite a bit in this thread and some of these sites are obviously sketchy and NO ONE, hobbiest or provider should have their personal lives threatened by what we do in the hobby.  All of us need to be more careful these days when information is so readily available and is many times damaging and wrong.

Any dumbfuck that gives all that information to a stranger in the first place should be prepared for a fucking that will linger beyond the paid session.

I'm not saying they deserve it, only that it's hard to feel sympathy for the stupid.

I echo your sentiments about obscuring ones identity. I am one who has virtually nothing to lose by an "outing" - no wife, a whore mongering employer, and a complete indifference to others opinions of my vices - and even still, I don't chance misjudging what the worst thing a bitter, desperate or just plain crazy woman would or could do if she has the mind to. Simply, I cover all bases at all times regardless, so as not to have to ponder such things.  

The blacklists are a joke to me. They provide an illusion of control or a measure of recourse for some who might otherwise feel helpless. But in truth, many of us dance around these lackluster screening methods with the ease and agility of Fred Astaire, without offering even a glimpse of our real identities, and thus, make these lists a fools errand.

Can there be a starker difference between how two providers (Belinda and Hilary) conduct themselves as evidenced by the comments and actions of each in this message thread?

-- Modified on 7/22/2012 12:09:24 AM

oooops! I spelled WHOA wrong.....
and I seem to be very hated on these boards. I thought I was bringing up an interesting discussion about the Blacklist. I have several gentleman friends who are on it and they are very nice, good people. I think if someone else would have posted about this, it would not have been attacked. I meant no harm.

from her post-

1.  it belongs on the PO Board-----Says who??? Are you the board police?

2.  No body but the 2 people involved REALLY and truly know what happened.---- give you that one

3.  Men lie.  So do Women.- ---give you that one also

4.  And, why is information from a blacklist site being leaked to clients?   Blacklist sites are meant to help keep ladies safe and if people are blabbing to clients about what is on it.......well, that sorta' defeats the purpose, doesn't it? ------Leaked? Helping a friend is a leak? Unless you were in the room with HH and client you don't know which BL site she was using for her info.

Unfuckingbelievable. What was so UFB to you? Some of these popular blacklist sites are 90% bullshit and you know it. a provider can post any shit they want.

I think what HH did was good and helpful.

I have ALWAYS been supportive of Hilary.  When she had a stalker freak, it was ME who referred her to one of the best provider friendly attorneys in the state!  And I am the one who texted her messages of support and love and kindness during that.   I didn't do that because I am an evil fucking bitch!!!!!    I did it because I care what happens to the ladies and the men here.  

What she doesn't seem to understand is that my response was NOT an attack on her personally but was only disagreement in what she did.     It is not the same thing.    We cannot disagree here on TER without making it personal????  

Telling clients what they are blacklisted for in enough detail that he can easily figure out which provider posted it is not right and not safe.  I do not care who does it......it's wrong!!!!!!!!!!

-- Modified on 7/22/2012 12:18:10 AM

And, again, I did not attack you personally but rather what you did.    They are two very different things.

Certainly made this Sat night fun and entertaining.  Fun when the members come out of the woodwork.

So its not OK to speak of blacklist information here (should be private), but its OK to bring up something said in a PM (private message)  I still don't get it?

ROFLMAO, I gotta tell you, you owe me a new keyboard!  Just the good laugh I needed after this "discussion".  Thanks!  Now back to the BP ads....................

who stated that she sees the guy once a month without any issues.

Well, I had a major issue .. as in being completely RIPPED OFF by him and then he threatened to call the cops.

Does it mean she is wrong? No, he was a perfect gent with HER and complete asshole with me.

I agree, this post does not belong here and OP has no business advising anyone of being on BL.

Lina

The OP could lose her membership in that blackist site for divulging info only members have access to and its certainly not uncommon for that to happen. I was blacklisted by a still active provider in this area about 5 years ago - a provider that I had not even patronized!  

This just underscores why you never provide a provider with any personal info, always use a hobby phone, and never let them see your license plates. You can never win an argument with a provider and you can't tell which of them can be mean-spirited just by how nice they are to your face.

IMO:  The guy who was blacklisted by this provider should put her provider name out on this board.  That provider should have had her last appointment in this town.  A discussion over opinions on the appropriate use of a blacklist is a good one for this community to have.

Blacklisting should be limited to the SAFETY of providers and not run of the mill disputes over whether an appointment was a NCNS or one hour or two.  Is a guy who NCNS's a prick?  Absolutely.  But even an explanation after the fact should mitigate this.  "My friend had a heart attack and I was administering CPR."  

If the client robs her?  Absolutely blacklist him.

Donation short $20?  Give him a chance to correct it.  If he doesn't, don't see him again and put his handle out on a blacklist and PO board.  His real identity?  Over $20 that could be an honest mistake by either the provider or the client?  Get real.

From a client standpoint, anyone familiar with the name Katie Monroe?  I have absolutely no issue with a TER handle or provider name being reflected here to communicate behavior during hobby activities.   But even if I knew Katie Monroe's real identity, I would not dream of putting that identity out on a blacklist or this board because she stood me up.  

A related topic, I shake my head at the number of posts here about a "411" on a gal they saw on backpage with no review.   Are you kidding me?  That is not an issue of thinking with the little head, that is an issue of not having a big head at all.  Just ask Lawrence Taylor.

FYI

No information was "leaked" from a blacklist board, you don't have to be a member to discover the listing.

I agree blacklist shoudl exist to keep ladies safe, but a dispute over whether an appointment was for one hour or two has nothing to do with safety,

and I agree, it's a terrible blacklist site and I would never use it.

this has everything to do with safety......ladies in this biz are threatened, beaten, and attacked for far less than a dispute over the length of an appt.    Sometimes, it happens for no reason at all.

Some of these ladies here get 300-400 and up per hour.  If your boss shorted you 300-400 on your paycheck and he didn't resolve it or make it right would you just say "oh well, he meant no harm"  

Folks, I agree, if he tried to talk to the lady about it and she didn't want to work to resolve the misunderstanding or accept the apology for the misunderstanding that it apparently was,...then, I agree.  He did  not deserve to be blacklisted.    

But, it is still a slippery slide when providers start betraying the confidence of other providers.

First of all I think this is a very important issue for the hobbiest, so the post on this board is absolutely appropriate so it can be discussed, NOT specific names, but the general use of a blacklist.  First off, I am a privacy advocate, in this age of everything being just out there on the net, it is hard to keep our lives private.  In my opinion the secrecy supposedly mandated by these so called blacklist sites is actually counter to our privacy rights, because a base line truth of privacy is that we should have access to every shred of information about us that is out in cyberspace.  We never will, but we should.  A secret blacklist historically has ALWAYS been used by governments and groups against those they did not agree with.  You know, even when one is charged with a serious crime, the U.S. Constitution requires that the accused be given the right to face his/her accuser in court.  And, as part of that process, the accused (through a process called Discovery) is able to see in advance of court, the entire case and all the evidence against him/her.  Is any of this true with these secret blacklist sites?  NO!  Who is policing the proper use of these sites being sure that only the true "bad apples" get reported, yeah, we know that answer already..NOBODY!  The safety provided under these conditions is illusionary and the possible harm to the client far too great.  I know of several ladies over the years that had this blacklist been available would have used it against me for any manner of trivial reasons, the worst being that  they got mad at me when I decided not to see them anymore.  I know that you ladies that have posted here are stable women, but you have to admist there are a lot of women who use this blacklist to get back at a man for "perceived" wrongs.  The ONLY way to fix this is to open the process up, let the light shine in.  If a man is blacklisted he should know by who and for what reason and then be able to give his side of the story.  This is what happens here at TER.  If a lady gets an unfair review here, she knows who the reviewer was and can always come to the board and tell her side.  Fair is fair ladies, we should have the same opportunties with a blacklist report (which is essentailly like a ROB review).  You also have the ultimate weapon, don't see a bad hobbiest again if he disses you and discuss him on the PO board if you want.  This secret stuff has no place in an open society.  Finally, to those who say it is about the protection of the lady, yes I agree, but you won't accomplish that with a secret list.  In an open society like ours one of the reasons an individual's crimes and criminal history are public information is so everyone can know.  Our Founding Fathers had lived under secrecy and wanted no part of that in this brave new world.  My 2 cents this morning and because a lot of what was posted here last night got me thinking about this.

-- Modified on 7/22/2012 10:05:19 AM

I haven't spoken until now, but I completely agree with MJ. If the accused doesn't get any chance to tell their side of the story, then the blacklist is nothing of value. For all anyone knows the accused didn't do anything wrong.

On TER we get to hear both sides of the story. Also, we get to know these people over time and learn to gauge their judgement. If a relative unknown was to lash out at an established member with no record of disrespect, we'd immediately suspect that it was exaggerated/fabricated for the purpose of spite or malice.

You keep reiterating that HH betrayed a "trust" in discussing a blacklist site posting.  How so?
The whole point of these sites is to communicate to people with access, and as I said in my PM ANYONE can access those sites.

BS -

Google "Escort" and "Blacklist" and you get over a million hits.

Providers are not free to come to TER and post their side of things.  Often, when they do, they are attacked and/or bullied by hobbyists.   Even on the PO board, we are not allowed to post a gent's handle when it is to warn other ladies.    How does that speak freedom and fairness?    

Betrayal is a terrible thing.

...... AND if clients are looking at those too/got access to those that's something else.

-- Modified on 7/22/2012 11:40:27 AM

I do not even go to the PO board and now Im being accused of speaking of info that is said on there!  (I've seen the emails)I don't think this is fair.
I have mentioned no names and the man blacklisted had it happen to him over a year ago.  I said there was a misunderstanding in the time allotted for the session, that is all I said. I am not jeopardizing anyones safety.

Any by the way,  it really was NOT a gutsy post at all. I was just saying to take the BL with a grain of salt...but that is just my opinion. Providers can be stricter than I am if they would like to be. I don't think Im forcing gals to NOT pay attention to the BL.  And I certainly am not naming names.  I don't think it was fair to create a frenzy around this valid topic.

Any chance someone would lie to get access?

On the internet?

Perish the thought

Belinda- So, can ladies post on the board about a bad review they have gotten?  Does she know who posted the offending review?  Yes, she does.  It is just silly to say not true to these facts.   Might they be attacked by some for posting, yes to that too, as all of us posters are from time to time attacked, but she has the FREEDOM to know who put up the bad review and to come on the board to discuss it.  The guy reported to the blacklist site has no such freedom and all your arguments do not change this truth.  Imho, you are overreaching to try and win the argument, speaking for myself, it's not a tactic that is going to work.

I don't even know how to read the BL site! The client told me that he has had trouble. I didn't even KNOW of it. Why are you accusing me of something I did not do.
I do not go to the BL site, nor do I go to the PO board. I have no interest in them at all. And now Im being accused of sharing all of this info with clients?  Where did all of this come from.
UGH.....you guys are drama junkies! haha!

On at least one of them no..... it's not 100% of course (seeing as though this is the internet and all) but the providers who have to get access have to be screened pretty good, very good chance if they did they'd probably not get access.  So.......

secondly, I did not accuse you of taking info from there.  What I said was, If you are leaking info from a blacklist site it makes me wonder if you are doing that with info on the po board.  I did NOT say you did do that...I said, it makes me wonder.  Do you see the difference?

If this was such an important thing to you, why didn't you post it a year ago when it happened?  

Betrayal Bites!

I did NOT tell a client what was posted on the BL site!
HE TOLD ME!!   I don't even GO to that site!!

Gee fucking WIZZZZ

I did not leak info as I do NOT go the BL site. He told me he was on there and asked for my help.
I didn't even know about it!!  You guys are hilarious!  Childs play.

wowzers people.  I did not create this frenzy....unreasonable people did.

You could have included that he contacted you about it..... it's not uncommon for providers to do that (share such info with clients).  
Drama isn't my thing I read the thread for a long time before bothering to say anything and I wasn't even going to at first.  You didn't share anything with him about it great.  The guys seemed to think that you had also if I read things right so ......  
Anyways well no big deal then.

...... I read that in one of your comments above great and again it'd have been important to put that in at your original post so it didn't seem that way ...... my reply to UpToNoGood has nothing to do with you....it's strictly speaking on who has access to what If you read it over again.

I get what you are saying.....I guess Im ignorant on the BL, so I didn't even know how to include all the proper info in my OP.
Now I know!

Namaste

...I got a bridge in New Jersey to sell ya....cheap but cash only!

During this exchange I just signed up to one of the so called reputable blacklist sites for "provders only". using a just ceated email account.   What a joke, they emailed back a log in for a trial membership that gives me some level of access to handles (both provider and hobbiest including CONTACT information...holy shit) and reasons for the blacklist so I can "begin screening both my new and existing clients today".  Now before the ladies here flame me, I have already deleted the sign on, but c'mon ladies you are making arguments for the security of these sites?

Of the MAJOR blacklist sites that the majority of providers use, only one shows partial reports in google.  We all know which one it is.   It's one I do not use and do not like.

In the future, if I misinterpret your posts, please correct me right then and there.  
Thank you, B.

I didn't get it...I was completely confused and didn't even know how to defend myself.
Now I get it....i see that you all thought I was leaking info. That would not be cool.
....even though now I know it's public info anyhow!
This is funny!  and now Im even MORE confused!  haha!!

On the other hand if you start allowing them to " make it up to you" chances are that they'll always be doing that same behavior because they got away with it the first time .

Some ladies & hobbyists are one strike types of people. They don't tolerate it. That could be how she is with her business, its not really anyone else's job to tell her how to operate.( although I completely agree that was a stupid reason to blacklist)
Big difference between $20 & a few hundred dollars no matter how we slice it.

No excuse for ncns . Ever . I don't care if someone died, you need to call just like I would if I were to do that. I expect nothing more than that.
If no one wants to end up on those lists then they should smarten up & not give all their personal info out like that.
Plenty of providers that need very little in order to schedule.

links to reviews and website.    I don't use the other ones so did not realize that it was so easy to gain access.
 
I learned something new.  
1.  There are more blacklist sites with reports that show up on google than I realized.
2.  Not everything is black and white.

Guys, I feel bad that so many reports are done out of spite and that sites are being misused.    Hilary was right about that!

The one I know of sometimes goes as far to call and verify you're whom you say you are, at least that was my experience. But there's always a way.

I did not realize.   WOW>  that is NOT cool at all!!   If you would, please PM me the name of that site.  

Thank you!!!!!!

Actually lots of good discussion about a hot topic.  Now to go out in the heat and sit by the lake..sheesh what a hard life..course my ATF is on vaction too...=(...maybe I'll just take the pontoon out for a little motorboatin..and drinkin..     lol

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Uffftah!!

That's pronounced "Uffda" Miss Holiday. Lol! Everyone have a rockin week!

Maybe not all of them but the ones I have heard about do not attempt to verify the report made to them, allow personal information about clients to be openly posted, and sometimes even refuse to ever take a report down even if it is shown that the information is false.

So, just how useful are such sites when clients are being blacklisted for minor offenses? Not very.  And yes, they do leak; even if a site attempts to verify that providers are legit information will get out.  A provider that would blacklist someone over a miscommunication like this one or an NCNS is someone I would not choose to see.  Word does get around about which providers do this sort of thing.

I would like to know, who the blacklister is too.    She would be off my list to see or see again.....

Next time I will bring cash AND roses.

Well actually, I have heard this pronounced both ways Uffda! Generally how I have seen it in writing. I have heard it spoken in her original post many times it the context "I don't have enough energy for this any more".

Jeg spøkte med dumme henne. Lol! Slapp av! Det er bare ett ho bord.

Umm lemme see....

"I was just joking stupid. (LOL) Relax! It's just a ho board."

Very good!

The other is very minimal monthly fee which most ladies will gladly pay for peace of mind.

I cannot speak for National Blacklist because I am not a member there and disagree with how they do things....but, the two I belong to, we have to give our provider identity, email, phone, links to website and reviews when we sign up.  We can create an alias and most do because information does get out and get back to clients and other ladies too.   Sometimes, we would be harassed by other providers (or clients) who had a good experience with the guy that was blacklisted.    It is important to remember that just because Joe Schmoe was a perfect gentleman for one lady does not mean he wasn't an abusive SOB to the next lady.  It happens.  

Providers have so little resources at their disposal to stay safe.  Blacklists are only one resource.  And when one method of safety is sacrificed, not only do providers feel vulnerable and betrayed, it also can put us in danger.  

Do blacklist sites make money.......yes, but so does TER (and men use TER to stay safe in the sense they  can use it to avoid rip-offs, bait & switch, gage legitimacy, etc.)
Are blacklist sites misused......yes, providers should limit their reports to the most serious offenses and offenders.
Are blacklist reports 100% reliable....no, but nothing is.

as THAT was all I was trying to say......

Jeg m en stolt Norsk

All those years of traveling and they rarely sent me to Norway.

Som am I. Cheers til deg min kamerat Norskman!

Skål!

Funny when checking blacklist boards there were many people blacklisted for not giving their real personal data or refusing to finish the review process. Yet many people on here have stated that they would never give out their personal data for fear of it getting posted.

There is nothing stopping a provider from putting out your personal information because of you just giving her a bad review. Or a simple miss-understanding. I have walked away from appointments because something just wasn't right. And by the cop in the parking lot I was probably right. But that could also get me put on a blacklist and if I had to give personal info to pass the review process it probably got put on a blacklist for everyone to see.

The only way a blacklist report should be issued by a provider is if the client threatened and/or physicaly attacked the provider or ripped her money off....period!!!  All this whining about "oh it is for protection of the girls" fine, then use it this way ONLY and get your protection.  The problem as WE ALL KNOW is that is NOT what is happening and you defenders of the blacklist are probably some of the worst offenders of using it to get revenge and spite men  Why do I think this?   Your knowitall and spiteful posts right here on this board.  If anyone crosses you the long knives come out and this 1 "provider"  who just has to have the last word every fucking time, what do ya think her blacklist reports look like..huh??  And don't anyone tell us to give it a rest, guys are having their lives fucked up by these girls that use these BL sites.   So NO it is not resolved at all is it!?