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kadiddlehop420 5 Reviews 57 reads
posted
1 / 38

I sent an email
No reply even after a 2nd attempt.
The 1 review is good but who knows.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 66 reads
posted
2 / 38

… “Call me”.  Maybe that’s to be taken literally. I know providers who prefer calls or texts vs email for reaching out to schedule, even when they publish their email. I prefer email but will use phone if it’s clear that’s her preference.

BigBoyPants 5 Reviews 65 reads
posted
3 / 38

On the ad I actually clinked on the button that says “contact” and there was an email address.

And if you saw she had a review then you would have clearly seen in her profile there is an email address associated with it.

Not impugning anyone who posted on this thread but come on people!

She may be new but she’s going to get jaded if you can’t even do basic steps.

mnborn80 143 Reviews 76 reads
posted
5 / 38

Im on the fence about her also. the one review isnt from a regular reviewer is it? I dont have vip rn.

Roywc 7 Reviews 55 reads
posted
6 / 38

I scheduled a appointment with her or tried to but her or her scheduler got an attitude with me and hung up because I asked if she had any suggestions where to park because the area is in a busy business district of saint Paul and I asked how old she was because she looks young. Am I wrong for asking those questions?  Her lack of professionalism confirmed she's young with a bad attitude and a very off-putting location. She even threatened me after I didn't show because she was rude on the phone. I had no interest in meeting her after that and it's making me nervous knowing she has a lot of personal information about me that she required for screening.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 68 reads
posted
7 / 38

… if, before Anastasia or her scheduler hung up on you, did you confirm the appointment?  And then you were an NCNS?  And what was the nature of her “threat”?  

No one should threaten anyone in this business, but also no one should NCNS anyone. If you didn’t cancel the appointment after you confirmed it, that’s on you, even though the provider or scheduler hung up on you after you asked those questions.

One more question: since you were so concerned about her age and location, why did you book an appointment (or try to book one)?

-- Modified on 11/18/2022 6:35:07 AM

wingman1346 85 Reviews 55 reads
posted
8 / 38

There's nothing good to come of putting your personal information out there to anybody.

lockstock 229 Reviews 53 reads
posted
9 / 38

It's a significant location/scheduler problem. Up to you to decide whether it's worth it. What I didn't say was that the day before I met the provider there was a NCNS --  the scheduler or the provider failed to confirm on the afternoon of the appointment and I wasted more two hours getting ready, traveling, waiting, etc. Very apologetic when rescheduling the following day, and actually that leverage persuaded me to try again. Not a crew I would recommend to newbies, or anyone who is well known in St Paul.
(Also the review immediately before mine looks like a shill, which tells me this crew sort of knows what it's doing and are probably reading this)

IMhornbody2 45 Reviews 69 reads
posted
10 / 38

ok guys after two days of texting and i think flirting directly with her I finally good to see her. She is very pretty and a young spinner. Her location is downtown but very easy to find while parking was metered but no problem
 As far as service she is new and has a limited menu did i say limited I meant no menu....she does not like to be touched, she will not kiss and i would probably say never will. She let me massage her but her very large under garment stayed on the whole time and as soon as I was done and on the table to be worked on by her  her top went back on cuz she was cold. I cannot comment about the massage cuz i do not go for that, converstaion was strained and the hj was minimal so i barely got excited.......well long story , great looker, easy to get to studio, but many many out there much better bargain for a great service....as always YMMV but i would be blown away if any other experience is written up here that states better and i shall not be writing a review.......sorry

Rxyman 92 Reviews 69 reads
posted
11 / 38

Very similar experience. A review has been submitted.

vorlon 119 Reviews 74 reads
posted
12 / 38

Even if he was confirming the appointment, the fact that he asked some questions and the response was to give him grief and then hang up says to me that there is no confirmation.  That's just abysmal customer service.  Why would he go through with the appointment given that kind of response?  I wouldn't.  Would you really go through with it?

vorlon 119 Reviews 56 reads
posted
13 / 38

Agreed.  This is a good example of the sort of problems that can happen.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 70 reads
posted
14 / 38

… if I’d been so concerned about the provider’s age and location.  And I’d never ask about age, or ask any question that could be construed as trying to pinpoint the provider’s location.  I expect you’re aware that many providers don’t give details about their location until right before the session.  It’s possible the provider, or her scheduler, thought the question about where to find parking was an attempt to get details on the provider’s location ahead of time.

Neither you nor I was on that phone call.  We don’t know what anyone said exactly and we don’t know how it was said.  We have only one side of the story, and I suspect it’s not the complete story.  I said IF the appointment had been confirmed before the call ended and the OP didn’t cancel, that’s NCNS in my book.  

It could have been abysmal customer service.  It could also have been a reaction to what was perceived as prying questions.  It could have been a dropped call (those happen).  We don’t know.

What I do know is, if I decided to not go through with an appointment, I’d make damn sure the provider or her assistant was clear that I wasn’t going through with it.  I wouldn’t just not show up.  The fact that you seem to think that’s ok surprises me, as I thought you were better than that.

IMhornbody2 45 Reviews 62 reads
posted
15 / 38

in defense of the lady in question, I believe that she is doing her own scheduling or is right there involved looking over someones shoulder. She was very polite and accomodating with me and did not ask much other than my linked in info and no needed references were asked for, which is why i did schedule in the first place (even though as written below i did not have a time to be repeated) the point that sold it for me is that i had asked her to send me her address the night before my session .....my session was on thursday and i was setting it up on tuesday afternoon with texting/flirting..... well as soon as i texted the reasoning that i needed the address early, she immediately sent it which made me feel good about any trust issue. Not sure if that helps anyone just my experience cuz i was trying at the same time to set up with another provider who was not willing to give me an address until hours before my visit. Because of that I went with her

gentleben28 109 Reviews 53 reads
posted
16 / 38

I had no trouble booking with a little advance notice. Basic rub and tug. Review submitted.

lockstock 229 Reviews 54 reads
posted
17 / 38

This bunch at the StP DT shop are attracting more than their fare share of fake reviews. Counting 8 so far.  
Looks like a start up campaign in competition with the established MNE advertisers.  
Interesting to watch. I'd like to list the fake reviewers but the list wouldn't make it to the board.

OldRanger 62 Reviews 62 reads
posted
18 / 38

Why would it not make it to the board?
Will listing of these get you blacklisted?
Suspect shill / agency reviewers have been listed here before so why not now?

vorlon 119 Reviews 51 reads
posted
19 / 38

The described scenario is the one in play.  While I also would not make an appointment if I was concerned a provider might be to young, that's not what we are talking about.  You may be suspicious that the related version was not the full story but as you admitted we weren't on that call so whether that is the case and what else might have been said is purely speculative.  None of those possible scenarios are what the issue is about.

He contacted the provider about seeing her.  He provided screening information which was evidently acceptable to her.  He was then on the phone with the provider or her scheduler.  He asked a couple of questions.
1)  He wanted suggestions on where he might park because, as he said, "because the area is in a busy business district of Saint Paul."  This is not asking to know where her incall is, it's just trying to get a better idea of where to park.  It's a perfectly reasonable question.  If she didn't want to say anything more specific, she should have just said that.  It absolutely does not warrant the person on the other phone behaving rudely and hanging up.
2)  He wanted to know her age.  This is certainly an unusual question to ask at this point but it does not justify the provider or her scheduler being rude or hanging up on him.  Again, she could have easily declined to answer the question or just say she is of legal age.
The bottom line is that whether or not he had confirmed the appointment previously, when he asked those questions and received a rude response followed by being hung up on, that is her canceling the appointment through her behavior.  There is no need for him to do anything else at that point.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 65 reads
posted
20 / 38

… about what was said and in what manner, yet you didn’t hear any of it. What makes you so sure of your interpretation of events that you’re certain the provider or her assistant cancelled the appointment through her behavior?  What makes you certain the call was not dropped?  Have you ever had a dropped call?

You said an acceptable response was to not answer the questions. That’s apparently what she decided to do. But ending the call without a response is rude in your book?

The provider clearly didn’t think the session was cancelled.  Why leave any doubt?  Why not a quick message to the provider that he needs to cancel?  Then there’s no doubt.

When people make assumptions, they’re often wrong.  So why make assumptions about this case?  And if the assistant was rude, why make the provider pay (literally) for someone else’s mistake?  Why not make a little extra effort to be clear?  Why trade (apparent) rudeness for more rudeness?

-- Modified on 11/23/2022 8:23:09 AM

vorlon 119 Reviews 60 reads
posted
21 / 38

As has already been stated, no one else was on the call.  So no, I don't know for sure that the scenario given is accurate anymore than you know it isn't.  What I am saying is that the scenario Roywc described is not a NCNS on his part for the reasons I have already given.

Yes, I did say declining to answer the questions was fine.  Being difficult and then hanging up is a very different thing.

Dropped calls happen but not that often.  The likelihood that one happened just at that particular moment is quite small and amounts to sheer speculation on your part.

For the provider to expect that the appointment would still be on after the way she acted is not reasonable.  Poor behavior should not be rewarded.

Nor is it rude of him to not contact her.  He has no reason to think she thinks the appointment is still on.  Why would he contact her again?  To be on the receiving end of more rudeness from her?  And that is the case regardless of whether he had been talking to the provider or her scheduler.  If he had been in touch with the scheduler, there's no reason to think he could get in touch with the provider directly.  And if she is using a scheduler who treats potential clients that way, the sooner she finds out about it the better for her as well.

I don't know why you are bending over backwards to try and come up with reasons to justify such behavior.  It's frankly baffling.  As I said, poor behavior should not be rewarded.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 61 reads
posted
22 / 38

Neither should it be an excuse for more poor behavior.

This is a classic case of what can happen when assumptions are made. Assumptions by roywc, by the provider or her assistant, and also by you.  

Roywc assumed the appointment was cancelled because the provider OR HER ASSISTANT (he doesn’t even know which!) had what he described as “an attitude” when he asked questions that he wasn’t sure were appropriate (since he asked on this board if they were), then the call ended. We don’t know what was said on the phone or otherwise before that. It’s very possible that there was a clear confirmation by the provider or assistant before the call ended. IMO, being annoyed by questions made after an appointment is confirmed, not answering those questions, and ending the call aren’t a certain sign of a cancellation. All it would have taken was a quick email from roywc to confirm the cancellation. Would that have been a “reward” for poor behavior? I don’t think so. I think it would have been the right thing to do in this situation. Then there’s no doubt.  

You don’t understand why I don’t think poor behavior must be answered by other poor behavior. Fine. I don’t understand why you’re bending over backwards advocating that hobbyists shouldn’t do what we can to avoid misunderstandings on scheduling appointments.  

vorlon 119 Reviews 63 reads
posted
23 / 38

There is no additional poor behavior here.  There is no obligation on the part of the potential client to go out of their way to see if the person behaving badly, regardless of whether it is the provider or a scheduler, really meant it.

You keep going back to the matter that none of us were on this call but then you turn around and speculate about what else might have happened on that call that we didn't hear.  You can't have it both ways and you've offered no reason as to why we should think something else happened other than it is possible.

You keep talking about what you think the hobbyist should have done but he's not the one who initiated the poor behavior.  She did that.  Why aren't you critical of her behavior?

knotsaway 38 Reviews 44 reads
posted
24 / 38

… in this thread, because it appears you didn’t read them.  I was critical several times of the provider’s (or assistant’s) behavior. I said no one should threaten anyone (she was accused of threatening the client). I acknowledged her behavior could have been abysmal customer service.  I said she made assumptions.  I talked about her poor behavior, as described by the client.  

Sending a quick email to say “I’m canceling my appointment on X date” isn’t going out of one’s way to see if someone else is behaving badly. It’s the right thing to do to avoid any misunderstanding about the status of an appointment.  That’s all.

Speculating about what might have happened in a situation for which there’s limited information from one of the two parties involved isn’t making a judgment based on that limited information—which is what you did.  It’s acknowledging that there’s other possibilities other than what you have chosen to believe to be the absolute truth.  

P.S.  You’re making another assumption, that the provider or assistant initiated the “poor behavior.”  We don’t know that for sure. We only know a bit of the story, and one side of it. We don’t know exactly what the client said, and how he said it, so we don’t know if the provider or assistant considered his behavior “poor”.  So why assume you know for sure there was no poor behavior by the client?

knotsaway 38 Reviews 96 reads
posted
25 / 38

Yes.

First, roywc wasn’t sure if he’d scheduled an appointment or not: “I scheduled a appointment with her or tried to…”.  Since he wasn’t sure there was an appointment scheduled or not, it’s very possible the provider or assistant did think an appointment was scheduled—and that turned out to be the case.  With that doubt in his mind, why not take a minute to erase that doubt?

Is that REQUIRED?  Required based on what, Rocketman’s Laws for dealing with others, which apparently state it’s never appropriate to take an extra step to ensure both parties are on the same page, when there’s some doubt?  Could the provider or assistant send an email to reconfirm?  Sure. But maybe in her mind, there was no doubt the session was booked. We also don’t know if she’d previously confirmed the appointment in some way.  We only know for sure there was doubt in roywc’s mind. So rather than not show up and risk what could be taken as a NCNS, why not send an email?

I’m not surprised at your opinion on this. But I think it’s funny that you have no problem taking time to confirm appointments, but you have a problem with the idea of someone else taking a minute to confirm a cancellation.  Does that mean if you, for whatever reason, decide to not go to an appointment, you don’t give the provider or her scheduler a clear communication about that?  

And please list the assumptions I’ve made in this thread. Considering different scenarios isn’t making an assumption.  Making an assumption is when you decide a specific scenario is the truth, when there are other scenarios that could be true based on what’s known.

vorlon 119 Reviews 56 reads
posted
26 / 38

And for the express purpose of seeing if I am missing something.

First off, the matter of the threats has never been part of our exchange as there's no disagreement that such behavior is wrong.  It also happened after the call in question and does not bear on the NCNS question.

Second, as I have repeatedly said, the scenario I say is not a NCNS is the one Roywc described.  It is not any of the other possible scenarios to which you keep alluding.  There are any number of other scenarios that may have happened but I am not discussing those scenarios.  I am discussing the one scenario Roywc said happened.  I am not claiming that it is beyond doubt a full and accurate description of what actually happened.  I am claiming that what he described is not a NCNS.  It is not a NCNS because, in the described scenario, the provider or scheduler was rude and hung up on him.  It should have been self-evident to all at that point the appointment wasn't going to happen and he was under no obligation to communicate any more with her.  That she thought otherwise is her fault for somehow not understanding that being rude and hanging up on people is a good way to cause them not to come see her.

-- Modified on 12/1/2022 12:31:44 AM

knotsaway 38 Reviews 70 reads
posted
27 / 38

… on partial information from only one of the two parties involved, so be it.  I don’t think it’s a good way to approach situations like this, however.  But I think it’s something many people do, and I think it leads to misunderstandings that often lead to bigger problems.

As I’ve tried to explain, there’s so much about the phone call and what happened before that call we don’t know, thus I don’t think it’s wise to pick one of several scenarios and say with certainty, “That’s it!”  For example, we don’t know if roywc said anything or acted in such a way as to appear rude to the provider or her assistant.  If you claim to know that couldn’t have happened, I don’t know how you could arrive at that conclusion.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 24 reads
posted
28 / 38

… you’ve read my hundreds of posts from 10+ years to decide that I ALWAYS come down on the side of the provider regardless of facts.  You’re a fast reader! 😂

I never said the guy bears sole responsibility. As for assumptions about you, you don’t have nearly the posting history I do so I can say with some certainty that your posts speak for themselves.  

Here’s the crux of the matter:  it seems to me you and vorlon are saying that people should do only the minimum required of them in situations like this.  If if might take another minute of effort to avoid a misunderstanding, nope, that’s not within the minimum required.  And it’s incumbent on the provider only to ensure there’s no misunderstanding.  What I’m saying is, don’t go through life doing only what is absolutely required, the bare minimum.  If you can avoid a misunderstanding by taking one more small step, why not do it?  It’s not only the considerate thing to do, but the smart thing to do for your own benefit (see for example:  blacklists).

vorlon 119 Reviews 60 reads
posted
29 / 38

I am not claiming that I know for sure that the scenario Roywc described is completely accurate.
I am claiming that the scenario Roywc described is not a NCNS.
Why you do not see this distinction is a mystery.

P.S. If Roywc did say some rude things first, prompting the provider to be rude in return and then hang up why on earth would she still think the appointment is still on?

knotsaway 38 Reviews 70 reads
posted
30 / 38

Here’s what it is to me:  an appointment is agreed to by both parties. One party does not show up for the appointment and does not let the other party know before the appointment time that he or she will not be showing up.

And here’s why I think this is NCNS—with the condition (the “if” I gave in my first post in this thread) that the appointment was confirmed and neither roywc nor the provider (or assistant) explicitly cancelled it… here’s what  
roywc said:
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“Am I wrong for asking those questions?  Her lack of professionalism confirmed she's young with a bad attitude and a very off-putting location. She even threatened me after I didn't show because she was rude on the phone. I had no interest in meeting her after that and it's making me nervous knowing she has a lot of personal information about me that she required for screening.”
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He said he didn’t show and had no interest in seeing her because she (or her assistant) was rude on the phone. He did NOT say he thought she (or her assistant) cancelled the appointment by hanging up without answering his questions—that was your assumption. He said he decided to not show up.  That’s his prerogative. I think his big mistake was not letting the provider or her assistant know he wasn’t going to show up (eg with a quick email).  That could be considered NCNS, based on my definition of it, and it apparently was considered NCNS by the provider and/or assistant based on what roywc said.  

As for your last question, you’re assuming I know the provider’s or her assistant’s tolerance for rude behavior by clients and at what threshold they’d still think an appointment was on. How could I possibly know that?

-- Modified on 12/4/2022 5:40:22 PM

knotsaway 38 Reviews 20 reads
posted
31 / 38

… for your “polite and respectful” reply.  😏

Have you considered taking a class in reading comprehension?  Below is a link to one counterexample to your inaccurate statement that I “always side with the women”. There’s many more, if you want to actually read my posts as you claim to do (but in fact don’t).

Here’s a question for you:  If someone didn’t think an appointment existed, why would he say he decided to not show up for it?  How can you decide to not show up for a non-existent appointment?

And another question for you: How do you know the provider or her assistant never confirmed the appointment?  And if they hadn’t confirmed it, why would the client need to decide to not show up?  There’d be no decision for him to make, if the appointment has never been confirmed.

From what roywc told us, it does appear the provider and/or her assistant thought the appointment was still on (otherwise why the reaction when he didn’t show up?). Thus since roywc was the one who decided to not show up, he should have let the provider or her assistant know he wasn't coming.  Someone who’s “polite and respectful” would think that’s the right thing to do, don’t you think?

knotsaway 38 Reviews 24 reads
posted
32 / 38

… juicy and tasty?

I thought I was clear, but you seem to want to avoid what’s in front of your face, so here it is one more time…

Roywc said, “She even threatened me after I didn't show because she was rude on the phone.”

I shouldn’t have to explain to you what that short, simple sentence means, but looks like I must:  He made a decision to not show up because she (provider or assistant) was rude on the phone.  Not show up for what?  That would be the appointment that he scheduled, that he clearly knew was still on after the phone call because he chose to not show up for it.  As I said above, it’s impossible to decide to not show up for a non-existent event. If there’s no event, there’s no need to not show up for it.

And I accept your apology for your false statement about my ALWAYS, FOREVER AND EVER siding with providers.  

Have a wonderful evening, maybe enjoying a cherry pie with crow sprinkles on top.

vorlon 119 Reviews 51 reads
posted
33 / 38

I've already made it clear more than once that being rude and hanging up the phone effectively canceled the appointment.  That she didn't think this through is her error.  There is no reason for him to think the appointment was still on in either of their minds just because she didn't say the words that the appointment was canceled.  You don't attract clients by being rude and hanging up on them.  That is or should be elementary.  The only way what you are saying makes sense is if for some reason he believed the appointment was still on and decided not to show up out of spite or some similar reason.  There is nothing to support such an idea.

In any event, I'm weary of repeating myself and we are well past the point where any of this has any useful purpose.  We are not going to agree.  So be it.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 53 reads
posted
34 / 38

He didn’t decide to not show up out of spite—not based on what he told us.  No, he said HE decided to not show up because she was rude on the phone, and after that rudeness HE had no interest in seeing HER.  He didn’t say anything about the provider or assistant cancelling the appointment based on her rudeness.  If there’s nothing to show up for, why say “I didn’t show”?

If you want to make assumptions about what was in the minds of the people involved in this story, go ahead. I’d rather look at what information was given to us and also consider that we don’t know a lot of what happened before and during the phone call.  

I will close with this:  This is a cautionary tale for clients and providers. Don’t assume. Be absolutely clear if you’re cancelling an appointment. It may save you grief (and for providers, money).

knotsaway 38 Reviews 23 reads
posted
35 / 38

… you’re an elderly grandfather who seems to be in a state of mental decline from advanced age.  I’m sorry if I was insensitive to your mental condition.  Let me try it again, more slowly…

First, I had no conversation with a plumber, electrician, or cable guy about an appointment at my home today. So of course they did not show up at my home today. Had there been such a conversation, I believed an appointment was made even though I hung up when they started asking me personal questions, and they didn’t show up without letting me know they wouldn’t be coming, I would have been miffed.

Second, roywc wasn’t sure if he’d made an appointment or not.  Is there something about “or” you don’t understand?  It’s used to connect words, phrases, or clauses representing alternatives.  So either there was an appointment, OR he tried to make an appointment. His later actions show that he thought there was an appointment…

“She even threatened me after I didn't show because she was rude on the phone.”

He said he didn’t show up because she was rude on the phone.  Is that clear?  I hope so.  If not, you might want to see your eldercare specialist.  

Now, when someone doesn’t show up (for an appointment, in this case), they either made a conscious decision to not show up, or they wanted to show up but were prevented from doing so. In this case, it’s clear from what he said that he didn’t want to show up:  “I had no interest in meeting her after that (phone call)…”.  Thus he made a conscious decision to not show up. For what? The appointment.

Note he said he had no interest in meeting her AFTER the phone call. Obviously he had an interest in meeting her before the phone call or he wouldn’t have had the phone call… unless you’re accusing roywc of being a “time waster” who calls providers he has no interest in seeing, just for grins. But you’re too polite to accuse him of that, right?

I should let you go now as it’s probably time for your nighttime meds. I hope this was helpful.

snafu929 20 Reviews 46 reads
posted
36 / 38

...not for the advice but just let it fucking die and be done finally...

knotsaway 38 Reviews 40 reads
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37 / 38

… I’m having tons of fun. Have you had any fun with providers, i.e. the women you like to politely refer to as “cum dumpsters”, lately?

I rebutted all of your (invalid) points in my reply to you above. Not sure why you felt compelled to repeat them in this subthread with vorlon.  

Logic is not your strong suit. Maybe it’s time to write another holiday poem!  😀

Sweet.rain See my TER Reviews 53 reads
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38 / 38

What was her contact Info?  

I recently had to let someone  go due to multiple complaints of the former working girl , some johns said they found her in hos wallet. Some friends say she was the o ly one around when money went missing.  

I just hope it is not the same girl

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