Hi I just wanted to express my feelings about the put downs to local providers... We all are sexy and beautiful in are way... Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.... We are nice most of us... and  we connect best with who respect us... We can charge what we feel is right... Im Fair...I know personally other providers Who are great!!! We all have are own style... And respect that we are all unique .. ROXI

I agree...I've talked with many--many local escorts...and I've found the majority to be really sweet, down to earth girls.  I spoke to Roxi a few times this summer...and I would have to say she was the coolest gal I've met so far...Roxi, I think we should be little buddies (go shopping, movies, etc.)...now that I'm divorced, I can hang out with super hot chicks!  


-Drew
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Roxi is 100% right. I've seen mostly local providers and for the most part, they've been great. The advantage with local girls is that you can establish some level of familiarity. I'm always a little nervous the first time I meet a provider. It's hard to develop a relationship with a travelling lady who comes here once in a great while, or only once period. Also, many of the local girls used to post here, so you could learn a little bit about them, maybe exchange some e-mail. But with all the provider bashing that's been going on, it seems like most of them are no longer posting. I can't blame them! There's a long list of local girls I'd love to meet, including Roxy, Madison, Catherine, Tuzdae, TJ and Tiffany (could I seen them both at the same time for a 2 girl session?), and many more (sorry if I left someone out). Unfortunately, there are always time and money constraints. Hey, let's give the girls a break

You miss the point.  Locals are charging TOO MUCH! end of story. Its not about whos a "beautiful person", its about the cold hard economics which are being shoved in the face of local providers who just don't get it.  By the way that cold hard economics was being shoved into the hobbyists face not so long ago.  Here is a quote from one of the best providers around (from Miami):  "Really great providers in this market (Mpls) can get $325 and you might be able to charge $350 if your exceptional in all ways, but I charge $300 because I know the guys are going to be SO happy with me, that my tips alone will make up for anything I dont get up front.  I doesn't pay to be greedy."  Huh, wonder how she came up with that?  She is absolutely gorgeous, well educated in Europe and is part of the contingent that is slowly taking your business away........go ahead and keep charging $300...........we'll see how long it lasts.  By the way, your a sweet gal...I've have met you.

People are pretty silly complaining about how much somebody charges...it's really quite simple...a girl can and should charge what ever the hell she wants...and if you are not happy with the price---then don't f#cking pay it!

I've seen many girls advertising in the City Pages for $100...sure they might be 7 months pregnant and have one leg--I guess you get what you pay for!

-Drew Capone

What's that number for the girl thats 7 months pregnant, and has only one leg?

But what the guys don't get is that the girls have been charging $300+ an hour for over 3 years.  (Remember Lexie of Mpls, Morgan, Jewel, Jennifer, Misty, etc., etc., etc.)  What makes you guys think that all this complaining is going to change anything or that the ladies are going to loose business?  FYI most of the clients aren't complaining or boycotting.  Simply put - if you can't afford the rate of a certain provider find someone who's rate is affordable.  This is a free market, there are prices for everyone. (Sh*t, some guys pay $1000/hr for porn stars and aren't complaining.)  Another FYI a lot of these girls end up lowering their rate for regular clientele.  Yes I am sure some end up raising them but I bet a majority doesn't.  The more you guys complain on these boards the more the ladies are going to stick to thier guns.  This subject will always come up, it's like beating a dead horse.  IMO anyway.

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-- Modified on 10/5/2005 12:25:06 PM

Especially if you are guy number 5 or 6 for the day. Yuk!

Hi Misty!

I can't believe I feel obligated to defend myself from an accuser who is using an alias LOL

Thus, the reason I post so little.  SRV, can we please put this poster (whoever he/she is) under moderated status?

Thanks!!!!

-- Modified on 12/8/2003 12:31:18 PM

From what I understand from my friends who are providers in MN, only about 20% of their business comes from TER so you guys are not affecting their economy all you are doing is insulting them.
Yes women find it insulting when MEN tell them their bodies are not worth $$$ or even $$$$$$
It is very misogynistic and sexist for a man to tell a woman how much to charge for her body.
It's disgusting.
if you can't afford the locals, buy what you can afford and stop trying to force your cheapness onto others.
Apparently there are a large number of guys who do not think $$$ is too much money.

I remember when that "yuk" word was used to cut down Jewel on the other board. My guess would be the former mod of that local board...she has a knack for sticking her nose or "two cents in on things.

How about we ban aliases altogether?  What’s the point anyway?  I hadn’t been using them, but decided I’d better try them out and see what all the fun is about.  I was feeling left out.

Please, Please don't use the phrase "you get what you pay for" Have you ever paid for something and didn't get it? Have you ever  Been dissapointed? etc. There is very little value between paying and receiving..
Only the must misinformed would use that statement. If you use it again I'm going to Boop you on the head and drive some sence into it.  Your Friend: Doorjammer

I never didn't knew what I wasn't missing.

Local providers, please know your self. Do not think you are good/beautiful enough to charge what ever you feel is right. You must ask yourself, do you turn heads in public? Do you stop traffics? Do you get 9-10 in your reviews? If you yes, by all means charge high. Many of us are willing and able to stop traffic and say "hi" to you. If you look average, charge average. If you look below average, charge below average. If you look below average or just average, make up for your lost in the service department. This will help your business. Remember happy costumer come back.

Now the question is, what is below average, average, and high? In my humble opinion in Minneapolis, below average=150, average=250, high=300. Since traveling ladies with looks of 8-10 and performances of 8-10 only charge 300-400. I did a search for looks and performances of 8-10 in the Twin Cities board and found very, very few locals and yet most if not all locals charge 300+. Off course, there are few very bad travelers also. No reputations or review. Those are con-artists, switch and bait.

From my experience, although there are very few great local providers, most are less than favorable when compare to traveling providers. I have too many bad experiences with locals and too much good experience with travelers. This is not the case where the grass is greener on the other side. However, this MAY be the case where we local hobbyists are exposed to the very best that other cities have to offer and we like it. This may be the reason why more and more traveling ladies are coming back and more often because they got your business.

Local Providers, please know your selves. Although, I like to support my local talents as much as I can, my math is not so good at this. Look less than 6 performance less than 5 charging 300 does not add up in my book. I'm sorry. I must be a happy customer--see traverling ladies.
My 2 cents.

I remember Lexie of Mpls and she was exceptional. Should the average charge the same?  If they want too, they can. And I can keep looking for someone to replace Lexie.  I found one but then she retired too. I know of 2 above average ladies who charge much less than 300 and will see them before  I pay 300 for something that is less than exceptional.

I get it!

Prices went up for some recently..........wonder if they go so fucking tired of reading the same things over and over.LOL  Girls charge whatever you want to.  There is a market for all prices here.  That has been proven and proven!!!  Thanks ROXI for that posting.

The problem is that these guys complaining aren't limiting their complaints to what average girls charging......some are but most are complaining about girls all across the board....quality...no quality......and so on.

You girls crack me up.  You honestly think we’ve all got the hots for the high priced locals, and are just posting to try to pressure you all into lowering your rates so we can afford to get a piece of you?  Get over yourselves.  Read “Multiples” post above.  It’s dead on.  We are finding great alternatives and giving you feedback on why we are leaving.  What you do with that feedback is up to you.  If you all want to just bury your heads in the sand, so be it.

I think you should all raise your rates to $500 /hour, and make yourselves even more irrelevant.  There is a market for every price range after all, so why don’t you all compete for the small group of really high-end clients?  Better yet, why don’t you all charge porn star rates?

Most successful businesses survive increased competition by cutting prices and/or ratcheting up customer service.  During periods of tight competition, the businesses that survive are the ones who listen to their customers and take their feedback seriously—even if they don’t like what they hear.  You girls seem to be doing just the opposite:  sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating “I’m not listening, I can’t hear you, you’re @#$#@#! pissing me off, I think I’ll do the opposite just to spite you.”  Go ahead.  That sounds like a great business plan.

I also keep hearing you girls say that your business hasn’t been effected in the slightest by the big influx of traveling talent.  Everything is all wine and roses.  Wow that’s great; yet another reason I think you should all raise your rates to $500 /hour.

It’s really amazing how such a large number of girls can swoop into town and draw such a huge amount of business without actually taking business away from any of the locals.  This is a very strange market indeed!  I guess a ton of new guys are deciding to take up an expensive new hobby in the middle of a recession, and the existing hobbyists all decided to hobby twice as often so they could see a bunch of the travelers without curtailing any visits with their regulars.  What a lucky break for the locals!  Give me a break.  This is the Twin Cities, not El Dorado.  Good luck keeping up the façade.

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it seems to me that there is only about 8 guys with lots of aliases posting about this boycott of the locals

which means the other thousand or so whoa re signed up are probably saying "let them fight it out, more locals for me"

you gotta realize that most of the guys here don't actually agree with you all that the girls are charging to much.
You ever thought of that?

Believe that if you want.  I’d say the silent majority of local hobbyists are unhappy, but afraid to rock the boat and piss off the locals.  I’ve talked to dozens of guys in private, and most are unhappy with the high profile locals' price to appearance/performance ratio vs. the traveling girls, their privacy policies (or lack thereof), arrogant attitudes, and some of the antics they’ve pulled in the past.

well since i've been posting here over the last day or so I've gotten 12 private messages from girls and guys who tell me that you all just like causing a fuss and to not worry about you
then again my rates are about half of what yall are complaining about but that's my personal preference
i still thnk it's insulting for a man to tell a woman her body cost to much

Probably from the very providers in question and a few submissive hobbyists who like to curry favor by kissing providers’ asses.  You said you’d like to get into Dom.  It looks like you already have a good head start on establishing a client base here.  I’m sure a few of those guys are really into that kind of thing, LOL.  Good luck

Vicki....

If you lost 20% of your business, wouldn't that hurt?

thebruha

Anyone ever heard of what the market will bear. Ladies can charge whatever price they want.  Gentlemen can pay to see the ladies that fit their price range.  If someone is charging too much and their reviews don't hold up, they will either adjust their prices, quit the business, or starve.  If you can't afford the rate, find a provider in your price range or find another hobby.  What if a provider had a range of prices and made up her mind as to what range to charge you based upon your appearance, attitude, and cleanliness.(shit, maybe i need to hit the gym more often)  Now on the other side of the coin, there are some pretty good tools for research available.  Obviously if a girl chooses not to see you, that is her choice and at the same time, if a girl misrepresents herself, services, or appearance....leave, you owe her nothing(this is why incall works better for most initial sessions for me anyway).

Girls have the right to charge whatever they like. No one is disputing that fact. However, we, the clients, are finally waking up to the fact that we have better options available--and believe me, we are certainly taking advantage of our options (God bless Florida). The guys here are providing feedback. The girls can do whatever they please with that information. Personally, I like Moonray's suggestion that local superstar rates should rise to $500. Either way, it doesn't affect the wise customers. Hopefully, the newbies who stumble onto Eros will also stumble onto this board. The best way to ensure a free market is to have educated consumers, and that's what discussions like this will do--educate the consumer. Now who's visiting this week...

First of all I'd like to say hooray for the local providers!  Why wouldn't I?    I like the idea of giving my business to someone who lives her as I do, someone I could readily see again if I find the experience good enough, someone who might actually remember who I am if I see them again. I'm new to this, have made a conscious decision to only see locals, and am happy with that.
Why I am I not interested in the traveling providers?  They are in my opinion expensive (all $$$ or more) and if I were to try one and didn't like my experience even a bad review on TER probably won't mean much as she is already gone to the next city.
A local could lose business from a bad review.  I have knocked providers off my list of favorites because of bad reviews.  Enough bad reviews and a local could have to lower prices, move, or switch to another line of work.  I'm not a millionaire and I want to feel confident that when I spend the kind of money it takes to be with a provider that I'm going to be happy with the result.  Thus far I have been but I am selective about it.
All this being said, I think the locals should consider the following.
It is your body and you can charge whatever you want.  I cannot tell you what it is worth nor can any other customer.  It's not like any of us can complain to some department of the government that you are charging too much.  But you are not immune to market forces and as you are trying to make money out of this (I assume) you might want to think about why some people are upset about the prices being charged and what they are saying (which seems to be that many of them are finding better alternatives).  Don't assume this is the view of just a few rabble rousers.  There may be many others, both TER members and not, who are thinking the same thing but just don't speak up.  For my part if I don't like what I'm getting for my money I usually don't say anything, I just start spending my money somewhere else.
In closing, again I'd like to offer up one more cheer for the locals because I think there are plenty of good ones out there.

Of course providers can charge what they want. Thats not the issue. It's not the money, kids. It's the service. I don't mind spending the $300+. So, where can I go locally to get multiple pops, DFK, multiple BBBJTC, any position I want and DATY from a well documented girl who has a great attitude and looks like she just stepped off the cover of a Victoria's Secret catalog? I'm not knocking the girl next door familiarity and building a repeat client/provider relationship blah blah blah. That's a good thing too. But jeez guys! It's hard to beat that FL service at any cost. All I'm really saying is keep it in perspective and realize the issues that started all this fuss. Service, service, service.

it wouldn't hurt enough to change my prices
i'd probably actually raise my prices to cover the loss

The only place you could raise your rates and survive, would be at the prison discharge gate, but then again, I just may be another fool!

"I guess a ton of new guys are deciding to take up an expensive new hobby in the middle of a recession, and the existing hobbyists all decided to hobby twice as often so they could see a bunch of the travelers without curtailing any visits with their regulars."  

It's not that... Speaking just for myself the traveling business men are the ones I see the most. I do have local clients whom I enjoy. But since this business is about variety once the locals see you, unless they become regulars you won't see them again.  That is where the traveling men take over.

Also, many of the local providors tour themselves on a regular or semi-regular basis.  When they are in a new city they become the touring girls that everyone must see.  These are my best guesses as to why our business has not fallen off due to the Miami girls.  There is room for everyone in this hobby  .... I don't discriminate

Happy Holidays everyone.

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It only makes sense that an “outcall only” provider like you would attract primarily traveling clients.  Outcall is exactly what traveling hobbyists are looking for.  Most locals prefer incall.  I’m sure some locals go through the extra trouble/expense to book a room to see you once and satisfy their curiosity, but decide not to return, even if they had a positive experience, simply because of the hassle factor.

is that a flame?
and yes you are a fool.

If business is so great why is one diva [you know who you are] phoning guys asking them to come see her?

I just wanted to make a viewpoint, It is America after all.Most of you guys who post on here  only do incalls... Which I very rarely do... I have only done 3 incall days total.I mainly do outcall. My daytime rate is 250.00  which is fair to me.I only do this part time. I was not putting anybody down.You guys can see who you choose ,Just like I can see who I choose to see..My business is doing fine,I have met very nice gentlemen in the twin cities and from out of town... Cool ROXI